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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless, of course, you have a guy like Pujols.  For someone who hits like that (especially since he also plays 1B well), yeah, you pay a lot.  Aside from true superstar production, though, forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless, of course, you have a guy like Pujols.  For someone who hits like that (especially since he also plays 1B well), yeah, you pay a lot.  Aside from true superstar production, though, forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306319</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really believed that then you wouldn&#039;t have written the first sentences of your post.  Or maybe you do, in which case I don&#039;t know what to respond to.  Can&#039;t have your cake and eat it too.

Remember, 1B/DH are the easiest positions to fill, and that means you shouldn&#039;t be paying a lot to fill them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really believed that then you wouldn&#8217;t have written the first sentences of your post.  Or maybe you do, in which case I don&#8217;t know what to respond to.  Can&#8217;t have your cake and eat it too.</p>
<p>Remember, 1B/DH are the easiest positions to fill, and that means you shouldn&#8217;t be paying a lot to fill them.</p>
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		<title>By: pmbaseball7</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306295</link>
		<dc:creator>pmbaseball7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s not just you: Bavasi looked at Sexson and thought the same thing.
Now that Bavasiâ€™s gone, maybe it really is just you; the rest of us would like to do something different this time.&lt;/em&gt;

Read the last sentence of my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Itâ€™s not just you: Bavasi looked at Sexson and thought the same thing.<br />
Now that Bavasiâ€™s gone, maybe it really is just you; the rest of us would like to do something different this time.</em></p>
<p>Read the last sentence of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306269</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe itâ€™s just me but for 3 years $30-36M and have him play 1B/DH why not. &lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not just you: Bavasi looked at Sexson and thought the same thing. 

Now that Bavasi&#039;s gone, maybe it really is just you; the rest of us would like to do something different this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe itâ€™s just me but for 3 years $30-36M and have him play 1B/DH why not. </i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just you: Bavasi looked at Sexson and thought the same thing. </p>
<p>Now that Bavasi&#8217;s gone, maybe it really is just you; the rest of us would like to do something different this time.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306261</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If Adam Dunn is league average then why didnâ€™t anyone in the AL hit 40 HRâ€™s? &lt;/em&gt;

Because Adam Dunn&#039;s OTHER skills when he&#039;s not walking or hitting home runs aren&#039;t that good. For instance:

.234/.365/.490 
.256/.408/.504
.231/.375/.476
.236/.386/.513 

Two of those batting lines are full seasons from Adam Dunn. Two are from Jack Cust. Can you pick them out just by looking at them? I sure can&#039;t.

That&#039;s not to say Cust = Dunn (Dunn&#039;s the better player, though because of Cincy being a better hitter&#039;s ballpark than Oakland it&#039;s closer than you think)... but there&#039;s no way you can tell me that the difference between Dunn and Cust is worth 8-10 million dollars a year over the next several years, which is what Dunn will get on the open market over Cust.

We should be concentrating on finding the Custs (players who can provide decent performance for below-market salaries, and who don&#039;t represent huge boat anchor contracts if they flop) as opposed to signing the Dunns (players who provide marginally better performance for much higher salaries, and who turn into boat anchors if anything goes wrong). That was Dave&#039;s point  Dave&#039;s point back during the Sexson signing, and it&#039;s his point now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If Adam Dunn is league average then why didnâ€™t anyone in the AL hit 40 HRâ€™s? </em></p>
<p>Because Adam Dunn&#8217;s OTHER skills when he&#8217;s not walking or hitting home runs aren&#8217;t that good. For instance:</p>
<p>.234/.365/.490<br />
.256/.408/.504<br />
.231/.375/.476<br />
.236/.386/.513 </p>
<p>Two of those batting lines are full seasons from Adam Dunn. Two are from Jack Cust. Can you pick them out just by looking at them? I sure can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say Cust = Dunn (Dunn&#8217;s the better player, though because of Cincy being a better hitter&#8217;s ballpark than Oakland it&#8217;s closer than you think)&#8230; but there&#8217;s no way you can tell me that the difference between Dunn and Cust is worth 8-10 million dollars a year over the next several years, which is what Dunn will get on the open market over Cust.</p>
<p>We should be concentrating on finding the Custs (players who can provide decent performance for below-market salaries, and who don&#8217;t represent huge boat anchor contracts if they flop) as opposed to signing the Dunns (players who provide marginally better performance for much higher salaries, and who turn into boat anchors if anything goes wrong). That was Dave&#8217;s point  Dave&#8217;s point back during the Sexson signing, and it&#8217;s his point now.</p>
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		<title>By: Teej</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/03/adam-dunn-gets-you-to-two-problems/comment-page-2/#comment-306249</link>
		<dc:creator>Teej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If Adam Dunn is league average then why didnâ€™t anyone in the AL hit 40 HRâ€™s?&lt;/em&gt;

The amount of home runs hit by AL batters has nothing to do with how good Adam Dunn is. Homers are great, but they&#039;re not the only aspect of baseball.

Ryan Howard wasn&#039;t the best player in the NL because he hit the most home runs. Miguel Cabrera wasn&#039;t the best player in the AL because he hit the most home runs.

You&#039;re being overly simple. Everyone here is aware that Adam Dunn hits homers and walks. Those things have value. But you can&#039;t just ignore his awful fielding, his old player skills, his age, his likely salary demands and everything else that goes into projecting performance and gauging value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If Adam Dunn is league average then why didnâ€™t anyone in the AL hit 40 HRâ€™s?</em></p>
<p>The amount of home runs hit by AL batters has nothing to do with how good Adam Dunn is. Homers are great, but they&#8217;re not the only aspect of baseball.</p>
<p>Ryan Howard wasn&#8217;t the best player in the NL because he hit the most home runs. Miguel Cabrera wasn&#8217;t the best player in the AL because he hit the most home runs.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re being overly simple. Everyone here is aware that Adam Dunn hits homers and walks. Those things have value. But you can&#8217;t just ignore his awful fielding, his old player skills, his age, his likely salary demands and everything else that goes into projecting performance and gauging value.</p>
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		<title>By: pmbaseball7</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmbaseball7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Adam Dunn is league average then why didn&#039;t anyone in the AL hit 40 HR&#039;s? And why did he lead the majors with 122 walks? Maybe it&#039;s just me but for 3 years $30-36M and have him play 1B/DH why not. But I would love to see a young OF that can hit and play D come to the M&#039;s instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Adam Dunn is league average then why didn&#8217;t anyone in the AL hit 40 HR&#8217;s? And why did he lead the majors with 122 walks? Maybe it&#8217;s just me but for 3 years $30-36M and have him play 1B/DH why not. But I would love to see a young OF that can hit and play D come to the M&#8217;s instead.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If anything Dunn would be a carbon copy of Ibanez in LF defensively, with a lower avg. and a boost in power.&lt;/em&gt;

So, basically, we&#039;re going to spend considerably more money than last year on a player with similar skills and flaws to the cheaper player (and not a lot of substantial advantages- remember, Dunn plays in a tiny ballpark in the weaker league), as the key to improving a 100 loss team.

But hey, it&#039;s all worth it to see a guy hit 40 HRs! After all, when Richie hit 39 in 2005, and the M&#039;s were still a crappy team, it was worth it, right?

Seriously? We&#039;ve seen this movie before. It still sucks. There&#039;s a reason why Bill Bavasi got fired- he chased after guys like Sexson and Everett and ignored other problems. The fact is Dave&#039;s right- slugging behemoths with bad defense and &quot;old player skills&quot; are the most overpaid and overrated players in MLB. We do not need to start collecting them again, considering we&#039;ve already got boat anchors like Johjima, Silva and Washburn as memories of other past contract mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If anything Dunn would be a carbon copy of Ibanez in LF defensively, with a lower avg. and a boost in power.</em></p>
<p>So, basically, we&#8217;re going to spend considerably more money than last year on a player with similar skills and flaws to the cheaper player (and not a lot of substantial advantages- remember, Dunn plays in a tiny ballpark in the weaker league), as the key to improving a 100 loss team.</p>
<p>But hey, it&#8217;s all worth it to see a guy hit 40 HRs! After all, when Richie hit 39 in 2005, and the M&#8217;s were still a crappy team, it was worth it, right?</p>
<p>Seriously? We&#8217;ve seen this movie before. It still sucks. There&#8217;s a reason why Bill Bavasi got fired- he chased after guys like Sexson and Everett and ignored other problems. The fact is Dave&#8217;s right- slugging behemoths with bad defense and &#8220;old player skills&#8221; are the most overpaid and overrated players in MLB. We do not need to start collecting them again, considering we&#8217;ve already got boat anchors like Johjima, Silva and Washburn as memories of other past contract mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: pmbaseball7</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmbaseball7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything Dunn would be a  carbon copy of Ibanez in LF defensively, with a lower avg. and a boost in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything Dunn would be a  carbon copy of Ibanez in LF defensively, with a lower avg. and a boost in power.</p>
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		<title>By: pmbaseball7</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmbaseball7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather have Big Z go for Abreu or Burrell. But if they don&#039;t want to sign then he really should try for Dunn. He is only 29 and the difference between Sexson and him is the side of the plate he hits from. In the Safe that is a huge difference with the short porch in right built for a lefty power hitter. I can live with the strikeouts from him I just want a 40 HR threat every year again like we had when Junior and A-Rod were here. I think a 3 year 30M contract is perfectly fine, he will be 32 or 33 after those three years so why worry about Dunn aging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather have Big Z go for Abreu or Burrell. But if they don&#8217;t want to sign then he really should try for Dunn. He is only 29 and the difference between Sexson and him is the side of the plate he hits from. In the Safe that is a huge difference with the short porch in right built for a lefty power hitter. I can live with the strikeouts from him I just want a 40 HR threat every year again like we had when Junior and A-Rod were here. I think a 3 year 30M contract is perfectly fine, he will be 32 or 33 after those three years so why worry about Dunn aging.</p>
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