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	<title>Comments on: M&#8217;s sign Chris Shelton</title>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-2/#comment-306575</link>
		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;97 ABs is enough for the manager to determine if you deserve another 97. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>97 ABs is enough for the manager to determine if you deserve another 97. </p></blockquote>
<p>No, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-2/#comment-306568</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaHair&#039;s career minor league OPS: .806 
Shelton&#039;s career minor league OPS: .919

Shelton&#039;s the better hitter. Not even close.

(FWIW, Russ Branyan&#039;s career minor league OPS: .917)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaHair&#8217;s career minor league OPS: .806<br />
Shelton&#8217;s career minor league OPS: .919</p>
<p>Shelton&#8217;s the better hitter. Not even close.</p>
<p>(FWIW, Russ Branyan&#8217;s career minor league OPS: .917)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-2/#comment-306567</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t get excited about the massive change in organizational process and philosophy that these recent moves show, then I don&#039;t know what to tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t get excited about the massive change in organizational process and philosophy that these recent moves show, then I don&#8217;t know what to tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-2/#comment-306566</link>
		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I find these moves very refreshing. It reminds me of the days when we couldnâ€™t sign the Texeria-types and Sexson-types 
[...]
so we looked around and found Luis Sojo and Rich Amaral and Paul Sorrento&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not just Sorrento, but David Segui too ... he perhaps wasn&#039;t the bargain that Sorrento was but he still hit serviceably and had a salary that was less than half of the M&#039;s departed free agent Tino Martinez.  So in the four years between the (relatively) big names of Tino Martinez and John Olerud, the Ms managed to do okay with relatively cheap first basemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I find these moves very refreshing. It reminds me of the days when we couldnâ€™t sign the Texeria-types and Sexson-types<br />
[...]<br />
so we looked around and found Luis Sojo and Rich Amaral and Paul Sorrento</p></blockquote>
<p>Not just Sorrento, but David Segui too &#8230; he perhaps wasn&#8217;t the bargain that Sorrento was but he still hit serviceably and had a salary that was less than half of the M&#8217;s departed free agent Tino Martinez.  So in the four years between the (relatively) big names of Tino Martinez and John Olerud, the Ms managed to do okay with relatively cheap first basemen.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-2/#comment-306565</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why are we so happy with this signing again? Thatâ€™s right, because it was cheap and he may be serviceable if you find yourself in a bind. If you think thereâ€™s anything more to it than that, then youâ€™re deluding yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think anyone is looking at this signing as anything more than what you just said, Bill.  On paper, it looks as if Jack Z. has signed two low-cost players to fill a gap until a better solution presents itself.  I don&#039;t think he signed them to platoon at 1B/DH for years to come.  I mean, Shelton&#039;s contract is a minor league deal.  If Jack Z. and Don W. don&#039;t think he&#039;s working out during spring training, then they can keep him in the minors.  No harm there.  If anything, he&#039;ll rake down there and perhaps earn himself another shot at the bigs.

I think you&#039;re reading too much into people&#039;s elation.  I think people are just really excited that Jack is actually making somewhat beneficial moves.  Instead of selling the farm for nothing, he&#039;s taking a flyer on a low-cost player with some upside, something that Bavasi wouldn&#039;t have done with a gun pressed to his temple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why are we so happy with this signing again? Thatâ€™s right, because it was cheap and he may be serviceable if you find yourself in a bind. If you think thereâ€™s anything more to it than that, then youâ€™re deluding yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is looking at this signing as anything more than what you just said, Bill.  On paper, it looks as if Jack Z. has signed two low-cost players to fill a gap until a better solution presents itself.  I don&#8217;t think he signed them to platoon at 1B/DH for years to come.  I mean, Shelton&#8217;s contract is a minor league deal.  If Jack Z. and Don W. don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s working out during spring training, then they can keep him in the minors.  No harm there.  If anything, he&#8217;ll rake down there and perhaps earn himself another shot at the bigs.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re reading too much into people&#8217;s elation.  I think people are just really excited that Jack is actually making somewhat beneficial moves.  Instead of selling the farm for nothing, he&#8217;s taking a flyer on a low-cost player with some upside, something that Bavasi wouldn&#8217;t have done with a gun pressed to his temple.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this proves what, exactly?  Michael Jordan was cut from his high-school basketball team in tenth grade -- clearly, the guy just couldn&#039;t play the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this proves what, exactly?  Michael Jordan was cut from his high-school basketball team in tenth grade &#8212; clearly, the guy just couldn&#8217;t play the game.</p>
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		<title>By: BillH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ahh, yes, and of course weâ€™ve never heard of small-sample-size theater and think that 97 AB can tell us all we need to know.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
97 ABs is enough for the manager to determine if you deserve another 97.  He was DFA&#039;ed in June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ahh, yes, and of course weâ€™ve never heard of small-sample-size theater and think that 97 AB can tell us all we need to know.</p></blockquote>
<p>97 ABs is enough for the manager to determine if you deserve another 97.  He was DFA&#8217;ed in June.</p>
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		<title>By: killer_ewok18</title>
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		<dc:creator>killer_ewok18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he hit 6 home runs in a week.

Small sample size, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he hit 6 home runs in a week.</p>
<p>Small sample size, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/08/ms-sign-chris-shelton/comment-page-1/#comment-306561</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, yes, and of course we&#039;ve never heard of small-sample-size theater and think that 97 AB can tell us all we need to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, yes, and of course we&#8217;ve never heard of small-sample-size theater and think that 97 AB can tell us all we need to know.</p>
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		<title>By: BillH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dâ€™oh.

Um, BillH, are you thinking this through.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What should I be thinking through?  You know, it is possible for teams to only hit from one side of the plate at certain positions.  Promoting Shelton to a platoon 1B spot in the lineup merely because he&#039;s a RH hitter would be a stupid move if you ask me.

Shelton hit .216 in 97 ABs in a friendly hitter&#039;s park in Texas last year.  He had 7 extra base hits.  Why are we so happy with this signing again?  That&#039;s right, because it was cheap and he may be serviceable if you find yourself in a bind.  If you think there&#039;s anything more to it than that, then you&#039;re deluding yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dâ€™oh.</p>
<p>Um, BillH, are you thinking this through.</p></blockquote>
<p>What should I be thinking through?  You know, it is possible for teams to only hit from one side of the plate at certain positions.  Promoting Shelton to a platoon 1B spot in the lineup merely because he&#8217;s a RH hitter would be a stupid move if you ask me.</p>
<p>Shelton hit .216 in 97 ABs in a friendly hitter&#8217;s park in Texas last year.  He had 7 extra base hits.  Why are we so happy with this signing again?  That&#8217;s right, because it was cheap and he may be serviceable if you find yourself in a bind.  If you think there&#8217;s anything more to it than that, then you&#8217;re deluding yourself.</p>
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