Comments on: Miguel Batista http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: galaxieboi http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308151 galaxieboi Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:19:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308151 Dave, just a thought. What if, at age 38, last season was the cliff for him? I understand the reasoning for not writing him off seven years ago. But now it seems like maybe he's done. Just wondering. Dave, just a thought. What if, at age 38, last season was the cliff for him? I understand the reasoning for not writing him off seven years ago. But now it seems like maybe he’s done. Just wondering.

]]> By: Breadbaker http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308059 Breadbaker Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:22:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308059 Batista's always struck me as someone who needs a little management, in the sense that he's a "thrown me in, skip" kind of guy, and someone has to say to him, "sorry, Miguel, that's not your role anymore." I would think if Wakamatsu makes it clear to him that he's the seventh or eighth inning guy, depending on matchups, he'll be a lot happier than if he is still waiting for that spot start or to close. Seventh/eighth innings guys are precious (though not $9 million/year precious), and it would be a sign we have good management if, assuming he succeeds there, he's left there. Batista’s always struck me as someone who needs a little management, in the sense that he’s a “thrown me in, skip” kind of guy, and someone has to say to him, “sorry, Miguel, that’s not your role anymore.” I would think if Wakamatsu makes it clear to him that he’s the seventh or eighth inning guy, depending on matchups, he’ll be a lot happier than if he is still waiting for that spot start or to close. Seventh/eighth innings guys are precious (though not $9 million/year precious), and it would be a sign we have good management if, assuming he succeeds there, he’s left there.

]]> By: micahjr http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308058 micahjr Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:21:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308058 When we picked up Batista, for a 3 year contract at 9 mil a year I thought Bavasi was crazy, he blocked developing pitchers and was in for a decline at age 36. He was a league average pitcher when we got him, there was no reason to not let a kid come up. He pitched poorly in 2007, but the offense supported him. He pitched exceedingly poorly in 2008, and there wasn't any offense that could save him from his craptastic pitching. Aren't we glad that [his name is Bavasi] is gone!!? At least Silva still has upside considering his age. Silva just needs stronger infield defense behind him, and he will rebound. Here's to praying that Betancourt gets his head out of his butt and gets in shape. When we picked up Batista, for a 3 year contract at 9 mil a year I thought Bavasi was crazy, he blocked developing pitchers and was in for a decline at age 36. He was a league average pitcher when we got him, there was no reason to not let a kid come up. He pitched poorly in 2007, but the offense supported him. He pitched exceedingly poorly in 2008, and there wasn’t any offense that could save him from his craptastic pitching. Aren’t we glad that [his name is Bavasi] is gone!!? At least Silva still has upside considering his age. Silva just needs stronger infield defense behind him, and he will rebound.

Here’s to praying that Betancourt gets his head out of his butt and gets in shape.

]]> By: JMHawkins http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308057 JMHawkins Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:45:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308057 <blockquote>Age related decline is usually more about losing stuff than about losing command...</blockquote> Isn't another part of age-related decline the inability to heal minor injuries as well as youngsters? Seems Batista was dinged up (or at least complaining about being dinged up) most of the year, and a bunch of nagging injuries could screw up his mechanics and torpedo his command. One thing to point out about his horrible 2000 season is that he only pitched 65 1/3 innings - he was off the active roster by the All-Star break. I don't know if an injury or sucktitude first sent him down, but he pitched 28 innings for the Royals AAA club in the second half of that year (where he was still plagued by the gohper ball, giving up almost 2 HR/9 to AAA bats). Prior to 2000, his BB and K rates were good, so the year stands out as an anomaly for that part of his career. But his BB and K rates have been steadily declining since he turned 35 - 2008 doesn't look like an anomaly. But I hope Dave is right.

Age related decline is usually more about losing stuff than about losing command…

Isn’t another part of age-related decline the inability to heal minor injuries as well as youngsters? Seems Batista was dinged up (or at least complaining about being dinged up) most of the year, and a bunch of nagging injuries could screw up his mechanics and torpedo his command.

One thing to point out about his horrible 2000 season is that he only pitched 65 1/3 innings – he was off the active roster by the All-Star break. I don’t know if an injury or sucktitude first sent him down, but he pitched 28 innings for the Royals AAA club in the second half of that year (where he was still plagued by the gohper ball, giving up almost 2 HR/9 to AAA bats).

Prior to 2000, his BB and K rates were good, so the year stands out as an anomaly for that part of his career. But his BB and K rates have been steadily declining since he turned 35 – 2008 doesn’t look like an anomaly.

But I hope Dave is right.

]]> By: Typical Idiot Fan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308056 Typical Idiot Fan Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:36:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308056 Using a little results based analysis there, Dave? How much of Batista's 2008 could be attributed to the rumors of injuries plaguing him? Using a little results based analysis there, Dave?

How much of Batista’s 2008 could be attributed to the rumors of injuries plaguing him?

]]> By: Jeff Sullivan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308055 Jeff Sullivan Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:03:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308055 Is there anything in particular that makes BIS a more accurate data source? Is there anything in particular that makes BIS a more accurate data source?

]]> By: mymrbig http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308054 mymrbig Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:43:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308054 I like the idea of letting Batista compete for a closing spot. He can re-claim some sort of trade value at the deadline if he has a Sherrill-ish 1st half. Might let the Mariners either slough off a few million dollars that can be spent elsewhere, or get an intriguing young arm if they eat some money. And if he still looks bad in spring training, the M's aren't any worse off than they are now. I like the idea of letting Batista compete for a closing spot. He can re-claim some sort of trade value at the deadline if he has a Sherrill-ish 1st half. Might let the Mariners either slough off a few million dollars that can be spent elsewhere, or get an intriguing young arm if they eat some money. And if he still looks bad in spring training, the M’s aren’t any worse off than they are now.

]]> By: WhitherStanJavier http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308053 WhitherStanJavier Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:40:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308053 I sure hope Batista rebounds this year. He's always seemed positive about the team and willing to do whatever was needed, and it pains me to see him lumped into any conversation with Silva. Understandable, because they were both terrible in 2008, but night & day based on how they handled themselves. He's probably past being a closer. As a solid 7th/8th inning man I think he'd be more successful than long relief. The kids in the bullpen would be better off from Batista being out there with them, too. I sure hope Batista rebounds this year. He’s always seemed positive about the team and willing to do whatever was needed, and it pains me to see him lumped into any conversation with Silva. Understandable, because they were both terrible in 2008, but night & day based on how they handled themselves.

He’s probably past being a closer. As a solid 7th/8th inning man I think he’d be more successful than long relief. The kids in the bullpen would be better off from Batista being out there with them, too.

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308052 Dave Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:35:33 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308052 Right. However, when forced to choose between two LD% that disagree, I'm going with BIS over MLB. Right. However, when forced to choose between two LD% that disagree, I’m going with BIS over MLB.

]]> By: Jeff Sullivan http://www.ussmariner.com/2008/12/23/miguel-batista-2/comment-page-1/#comment-308051 Jeff Sullivan Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:25:57 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=6932#comment-308051 Graham was citing Batista's StatCorner LD%, which is a good deal higher than what it was in 2006. Graham was citing Batista’s StatCorner LD%, which is a good deal higher than what it was in 2006.

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