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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/04/exactly-what-this-team-needs/comment-page-1/#comment-308800</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of things we need.... from Kirby Arnold:

&quot;Does it seem like the snow, slush and dark skies will never give way to decent weather? Is baseball a season you just can&#039;t imagine right now? Well, here&#039;s a tidbit to help warm your cockles.

The Mariners&#039; pitchers and catchers will report to the team&#039;s spring training facility in Peoria, Ariz., on Feb. 13 and their first on-field workout will be the next day. Position players must report by Feb. 16 and the first full-squad workout will be Feb. 17.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of things we need&#8230;. from Kirby Arnold:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does it seem like the snow, slush and dark skies will never give way to decent weather? Is baseball a season you just can&#8217;t imagine right now? Well, here&#8217;s a tidbit to help warm your cockles.</p>
<p>The Mariners&#8217; pitchers and catchers will report to the team&#8217;s spring training facility in Peoria, Ariz., on Feb. 13 and their first on-field workout will be the next day. Position players must report by Feb. 16 and the first full-squad workout will be Feb. 17.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2009 Griffey projections:
Bill James: .255 / .351 / .451 (.354 wOBA)
Marcel: .288 / . 336 / .434 (.330 wOBA)

&lt;i&gt;Thereâ€™s no way Zdurenciek is going into 2009 with his current DHsituation. He knows he needs a lefty bat there.&lt;/i&gt;

DH does not have to be a full time position.  There&#039;s not necessarily a &quot;there&quot; there.  We got used to the idea of a full-time DH with Edgar, but a lot of smart teams use the DH as a way to get one more bat into the lineup from a player who has other value.  Maybe you&#039;re half-resting somebody who has an injury that might limit his fielding; maybe you&#039;ve got one or more guys on your bench that deserve more ABs than they&#039;d otherwise get.  In the M&#039;s case, they need to find more ABs for Clement, especially if his surgery recovery limits in how many games he can catch; and there are other players that could rotate through that spot as well.

It&#039;s one thing to pull a Frank Thomas off the scrap heap on a cheap one-year incentive-laden deal to see if he surprises with some upside (was he hurt/unlucky, or has he fallen off a cliff?)  But going out and spending real money on a bat-only DH is not a particularly efficient way to use your salary.  And if you &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; going to do that, there are better options than Griffey.

That said, I could live with the M&#039;s giving him a one-year deal for 2009 if for no other reason than to get the nostalgiaholics to STFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2009 Griffey projections:<br />
Bill James: .255 / .351 / .451 (.354 wOBA)<br />
Marcel: .288 / . 336 / .434 (.330 wOBA)</p>
<p><i>Thereâ€™s no way Zdurenciek is going into 2009 with his current DHsituation. He knows he needs a lefty bat there.</i></p>
<p>DH does not have to be a full time position.  There&#8217;s not necessarily a &#8220;there&#8221; there.  We got used to the idea of a full-time DH with Edgar, but a lot of smart teams use the DH as a way to get one more bat into the lineup from a player who has other value.  Maybe you&#8217;re half-resting somebody who has an injury that might limit his fielding; maybe you&#8217;ve got one or more guys on your bench that deserve more ABs than they&#8217;d otherwise get.  In the M&#8217;s case, they need to find more ABs for Clement, especially if his surgery recovery limits in how many games he can catch; and there are other players that could rotate through that spot as well.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to pull a Frank Thomas off the scrap heap on a cheap one-year incentive-laden deal to see if he surprises with some upside (was he hurt/unlucky, or has he fallen off a cliff?)  But going out and spending real money on a bat-only DH is not a particularly efficient way to use your salary.  And if you <i>are</i> going to do that, there are better options than Griffey.</p>
<p>That said, I could live with the M&#8217;s giving him a one-year deal for 2009 if for no other reason than to get the nostalgiaholics to STFU.</p>
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		<title>By: BobbyAyalaFan4Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobbyAyalaFan4Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing Griffey to Vidro? Even at Griff&#039;s injury-related worst he&#039;s never stooped THAT low. My take on Griff is if he&#039;s a DH, worth a look, or at least a thought. If it&#039;s in the outfield, then pass. I don&#039;t see why, given the opportuntiy to bat and bat alone (thus significantly reducing his chances of getting injured), he couldn&#039;t make a significant offensive contribution (say a potential line of .275/.350/.475 or so coupled with 20 or so homers and 75 RBI). I think Dunn would be the best Option A, but there&#039;s worse fall-back options than Griffey out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing Griffey to Vidro? Even at Griff&#8217;s injury-related worst he&#8217;s never stooped THAT low. My take on Griff is if he&#8217;s a DH, worth a look, or at least a thought. If it&#8217;s in the outfield, then pass. I don&#8217;t see why, given the opportuntiy to bat and bat alone (thus significantly reducing his chances of getting injured), he couldn&#8217;t make a significant offensive contribution (say a potential line of .275/.350/.475 or so coupled with 20 or so homers and 75 RBI). I think Dunn would be the best Option A, but there&#8217;s worse fall-back options than Griffey out there.</p>
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		<title>By: coasty141</title>
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		<dc:creator>coasty141</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I donâ€™t understand.&quot;

&quot;I don&#039;t either&quot;

Sorry for the lack of clarity in my post. I was just trying to communicate how hard it can be to decide to shut a player down or not. And who&#039;s decision it is. But yeah, as far as blatantly hiding an injury as Griffs agent suggest. Thats totally stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I donâ€™t understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t either&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry for the lack of clarity in my post. I was just trying to communicate how hard it can be to decide to shut a player down or not. And who&#8217;s decision it is. But yeah, as far as blatantly hiding an injury as Griffs agent suggest. Thats totally stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatâ€™s pure crap then? Vidro?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cairo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatâ€™s pure crap then? Vidro?</p></blockquote>
<p>Cairo.</p>
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		<title>By: Tek Jansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tek Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vidro&#039;s actual crap is the &quot;pure crap.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vidro&#8217;s actual crap is the &#8220;pure crap.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s pure crap then? Vidro?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s pure crap then? Vidro?</p>
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		<title>By: wsm</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the M&#039;s are one of the five teams interested in Griffey. But he&#039;s a Plan B.

There&#039;s no way Zdurenciek is going into 2009 with his current DHsituation. He knows he needs a lefty bat there. He&#039;s kicked the tires on Adam Dunn and Dunn&#039;s price tag could fall into his budget. While that&#039;s still an option, I don&#039;t think Z&#039;s going to look anywhere else. Once Dunn is gone though, he&#039;s going to look for the next best thing.

Griffey may be Plan B or he may be Plan C or D behind Abreu and Giambi. Who knows. But the team is going to land that DH stick, and if it ends up being Griffey, it&#039;ll be because Griffey was the best option available to Zdurienciek that didn&#039;t require him doing something stupid.

Griffey&#039;s not pure crap yet. He would make this lineup better if we added him to it today. He&#039;s not the ideal candidate, but he is an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the M&#8217;s are one of the five teams interested in Griffey. But he&#8217;s a Plan B.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way Zdurenciek is going into 2009 with his current DHsituation. He knows he needs a lefty bat there. He&#8217;s kicked the tires on Adam Dunn and Dunn&#8217;s price tag could fall into his budget. While that&#8217;s still an option, I don&#8217;t think Z&#8217;s going to look anywhere else. Once Dunn is gone though, he&#8217;s going to look for the next best thing.</p>
<p>Griffey may be Plan B or he may be Plan C or D behind Abreu and Giambi. Who knows. But the team is going to land that DH stick, and if it ends up being Griffey, it&#8217;ll be because Griffey was the best option available to Zdurienciek that didn&#8217;t require him doing something stupid.</p>
<p>Griffey&#8217;s not pure crap yet. He would make this lineup better if we added him to it today. He&#8217;s not the ideal candidate, but he is an improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t either.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand.</p>
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