Comments on: The first two months, comparatively http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: JMHawkins http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309408 JMHawkins Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:59:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309408 I think another set of value comparisions between the two GMs is highlighted by the Cameron/Ibanez/Gutierrez arc. Derek already commented on the defensive angle, but the thing that really drove Cameron out of town was his strikeouts. The old regieme placed heavy value on making contact. They would make the occasional exception for a guy like Richie Sexson, but in general they hated strikeouts. "Put he ball in play and make things happen" I think was the phrase. The new regieme seems to take a more comprehensive look at offensive value. I think another set of value comparisions between the two GMs is highlighted by the Cameron/Ibanez/Gutierrez arc. Derek already commented on the defensive angle, but the thing that really drove Cameron out of town was his strikeouts.

The old regieme placed heavy value on making contact. They would make the occasional exception for a guy like Richie Sexson, but in general they hated strikeouts. “Put he ball in play and make things happen” I think was the phrase.

The new regieme seems to take a more comprehensive look at offensive value.

]]> By: Carson http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309398 Carson Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:26:50 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309398 Hey, these authors gave us five years of good writing during a time where it would have been very easy to throw their hands in the air and pull the plug. If they want to be excited about the future, and compare it to the former management, let them. Hey, these authors gave us five years of good writing during a time where it would have been very easy to throw their hands in the air and pull the plug.

If they want to be excited about the future, and compare it to the former management, let them.

]]> By: Breadbaker http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309394 Breadbaker Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:09:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309394 Other than the question of whether to offer him arbitration (and the timing of the Ibanez signing, since it was pretty clear that the Royals were not going to take the chance he'd agree to arbitration), I at least had the impression at the time that the Cameron decision was made before Bavasi was hired and he inherited it. That's not to give Bavasi any props, just to give him some leeway for something he probably didn't have a lot of discretion about when he was hired. The other thing I think you missed was the "trade" for Omar, straight up for Carlos, that was nullified when Omar didn't pass his physical. I just looked at the Fangraphs salary/value numbers for Carlos, Omar and Santiago, and how on earth Bavasi made the trade with the Tigers is so beyond me it makes me want to retch. Other than the question of whether to offer him arbitration (and the timing of the Ibanez signing, since it was pretty clear that the Royals were not going to take the chance he’d agree to arbitration), I at least had the impression at the time that the Cameron decision was made before Bavasi was hired and he inherited it. That’s not to give Bavasi any props, just to give him some leeway for something he probably didn’t have a lot of discretion about when he was hired.

The other thing I think you missed was the “trade” for Omar, straight up for Carlos, that was nullified when Omar didn’t pass his physical. I just looked at the Fangraphs salary/value numbers for Carlos, Omar and Santiago, and how on earth Bavasi made the trade with the Tigers is so beyond me it makes me want to retch.

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]]> By: ThundaPC http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309391 ThundaPC Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:44:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309391 There are going to be comparisons to the Bavasi era for at least a year. Better get used to it. We've already had a field day just comparing press releases of Zduriencik and Bavasi at Lookout Landing ("talent who can help us" vs. "veteran who knows how to win"). There are going to be comparisons to the Bavasi era for at least a year. Better get used to it. We’ve already had a field day just comparing press releases of Zduriencik and Bavasi at Lookout Landing (“talent who can help us” vs. “veteran who knows how to win”).

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]]> By: MrMalibog http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309389 MrMalibog Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:26:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309389 [ot] [ot]

]]> By: diderot http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309386 diderot Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:38:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309386 Derek, I agree with, "doesn't mean that's true for everyone", but aren't most of those people reading other blogs? What's your guess on the percentage of people here who already believe Bavasi was a failure for the reasons so capably pointed out? But...to be clear...it's your place, no question you can do what you think best. Derek,
I agree with, “doesn’t mean that’s true for everyone”, but aren’t most of those people reading other blogs? What’s your guess on the percentage of people here who already believe Bavasi was a failure for the reasons so capably pointed out?
But…to be clear…it’s your place, no question you can do what you think best.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/01/11/the-first-two-months-comparatively/comment-page-1/#comment-309385 DMZ Mon, 12 Jan 2009 04:33:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7067#comment-309385 That you find this comparison a sad look into the past rather than a hopeful look at the positive change that's occurring doesn't mean that's true for everyone, or that it's not an interesting exercise. That you find this comparison a sad look into the past rather than a hopeful look at the positive change that’s occurring doesn’t mean that’s true for everyone, or that it’s not an interesting exercise.

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