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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312134</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I wouldnâ€™t put it past Griffey to hit 30 home runs in Safeco if he gets the ABâ€™s. After all Frank Thomas hit 39HR in 2006, and 26 in 2007, after being â€œdoneâ€ in 2005 and having to settle for $.5m just to get a chance to play in 2006. Beane took a shot on him and polished up his Genius credentials.&lt;/em&gt;

Frank Thomas had SLGs of .563 in 2004 and .590 in 2005, so having him post a .545 SLG in 2006 during full time play does not exactly count as a huge surprise.

Ken Griffey, on the other hand, has not posted a .500 SLG since 2005, while playing in two of the better hitter&#039;s parks in baseball.

By the way: Frank Thomas&#039;s numbers last year (.240/.349/.374) were almost as good as Griffey&#039;s when you take the park effects out of the way, and his numbers in Oakland (.263/.364/.387) were BETTER than Griffey&#039;s. So Griffey could be hitting .350/.410 next year, be performing slightly better than last year if you throw away park effects... and having everyone in Seattle go &quot;gosh, he looks done&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I wouldnâ€™t put it past Griffey to hit 30 home runs in Safeco if he gets the ABâ€™s. After all Frank Thomas hit 39HR in 2006, and 26 in 2007, after being â€œdoneâ€ in 2005 and having to settle for $.5m just to get a chance to play in 2006. Beane took a shot on him and polished up his Genius credentials.</em></p>
<p>Frank Thomas had SLGs of .563 in 2004 and .590 in 2005, so having him post a .545 SLG in 2006 during full time play does not exactly count as a huge surprise.</p>
<p>Ken Griffey, on the other hand, has not posted a .500 SLG since 2005, while playing in two of the better hitter&#8217;s parks in baseball.</p>
<p>By the way: Frank Thomas&#8217;s numbers last year (.240/.349/.374) were almost as good as Griffey&#8217;s when you take the park effects out of the way, and his numbers in Oakland (.263/.364/.387) were BETTER than Griffey&#8217;s. So Griffey could be hitting .350/.410 next year, be performing slightly better than last year if you throw away park effects&#8230; and having everyone in Seattle go &#8220;gosh, he looks done&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312127</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea - pretty much everyone realizes this is a mortal lock to happen now.  We&#039;re not going to put up a new thread to cover every escalation of the rumor.  We&#039;ll talk about it once it&#039;s announced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea &#8211; pretty much everyone realizes this is a mortal lock to happen now.  We&#8217;re not going to put up a new thread to cover every escalation of the rumor.  We&#8217;ll talk about it once it&#8217;s announced.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312126</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN is running an article saying Mariners have stepped up negotiations with Griffey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN is running an article saying Mariners have stepped up negotiations with Griffey.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveValleDrinkNight</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312117</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveValleDrinkNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we didn&#039;t sign Adam &quot;I can&#039;t beleive I&#039;m not Jeff Cirillo&quot; Dunn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least we didn&#8217;t sign Adam &#8220;I can&#8217;t beleive I&#8217;m not Jeff Cirillo&#8221; Dunn.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
the Mariners drawn better than 24 other teams each year.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re living in the past.  The M&#039;s haven&#039;t been in the top 6 since 2004.  
M&#039;s attendance rank, by year:
2001: 1
2002: 1
2003: 2
2004: 10
2005: 12
2006: 15
2007: 16
2008: 19

That&#039;s right: 18 other teams drew better than the M&#039;s last year.  Eighteen.  Including Toronto, San Diego, and Detroit.  The M&#039;s are well below the median among the teams in baseball -- and they&#039;re going to draw less this year, so they&#039;ll probably be in the bottom third.  As I said in a previous thread, they&#039;re going to be lucky to stay above 2M fans (vs 3.5M back in 2002).  And meanwhile their pay structure is way out of whack: they spent $50 on payroll for every butt in a seat in 2008, by far the most in baseball, and even with their new reduced payroll they&#039;re going to be in the top two or three.
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and have no â€œcloserâ€ to finish off the games.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, because you always have to go spend lots of money on getting closers in free agency.  They never come out of nowhere, like Putz.</description>
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the Mariners drawn better than 24 other teams each year.
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<p>You&#8217;re living in the past.  The M&#8217;s haven&#8217;t been in the top 6 since 2004.<br />
M&#8217;s attendance rank, by year:<br />
2001: 1<br />
2002: 1<br />
2003: 2<br />
2004: 10<br />
2005: 12<br />
2006: 15<br />
2007: 16<br />
2008: 19</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right: 18 other teams drew better than the M&#8217;s last year.  Eighteen.  Including Toronto, San Diego, and Detroit.  The M&#8217;s are well below the median among the teams in baseball &#8212; and they&#8217;re going to draw less this year, so they&#8217;ll probably be in the bottom third.  As I said in a previous thread, they&#8217;re going to be lucky to stay above 2M fans (vs 3.5M back in 2002).  And meanwhile their pay structure is way out of whack: they spent $50 on payroll for every butt in a seat in 2008, by far the most in baseball, and even with their new reduced payroll they&#8217;re going to be in the top two or three.</p>
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and have no â€œcloserâ€ to finish off the games.
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<p>Yeah, because you always have to go spend lots of money on getting closers in free agency.  They never come out of nowhere, like Putz.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph_Malph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph_Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Griffey insisting on a roster spot for his brother Craig?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Griffey insisting on a roster spot for his brother Craig?</p>
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		<title>By: Benne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps something like &quot;this is your last season in the bigs.  After that, you&#039;ll have more than enough time to spend with your family.  Of course, if you don&#039;t accept our dirt-cheap offer, you&#039;ll have even more time to spend with your family.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps something like &#8220;this is your last season in the bigs.  After that, you&#8217;ll have more than enough time to spend with your family.  Of course, if you don&#8217;t accept our dirt-cheap offer, you&#8217;ll have even more time to spend with your family.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kazinski</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kazinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His kids are teenagers now, they hate him because he is ruining their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?</p></blockquote>
<p>His kids are teenagers now, they hate him because he is ruining their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: diderot</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312112</link>
		<dc:creator>diderot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think they should give him a lowball offer, but be reasonably generous with the incentives.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think they should give him a lowball offer, but be reasonably generous with the incentives.
</p></blockquote>
<p>But how exactly would that move him closer to his precious family?</p>
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		<title>By: diderot</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/11/why-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-312111</link>
		<dc:creator>diderot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
The thing about conspiracy theories is they have to have an element of bad logic to them. In this case, being passive-aggressive on Griffey allows them to keep up the appearance that theyâ€™re NOT overt meddlers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, OK, I agree that you do have the bad logic thing going for you</description>
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The thing about conspiracy theories is they have to have an element of bad logic to them. In this case, being passive-aggressive on Griffey allows them to keep up the appearance that theyâ€™re NOT overt meddlers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, OK, I agree that you do have the bad logic thing going for you</p>
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