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		<title>By: lineshotbasehitleftfield</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/14/wheel-of-griffey-stories-continues/comment-page-2/#comment-312947</link>
		<dc:creator>lineshotbasehitleftfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came across this quote from the &#039;MLB Pro Blog&#039; of Mark Bowman, who writes about the Braves, and couldn&#039;t help but smile: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Josh]Anderson is out of options and because of this he&#039;ll be given every opportunity to win the starting job in center.  If he does win this job, Griffey would likely occasionally spell him in center.  The way the roster currently stands, this would also likely mean that Jones, Blanco and Schafer would all begin this season in the Minors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across this quote from the &#8216;MLB Pro Blog&#8217; of Mark Bowman, who writes about the Braves, and couldn&#8217;t help but smile: </p>
<blockquote><p>[Josh]Anderson is out of options and because of this he&#8217;ll be given every opportunity to win the starting job in center.  If he does win this job, Griffey would likely occasionally spell him in center.  The way the roster currently stands, this would also likely mean that Jones, Blanco and Schafer would all begin this season in the Minors.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: obp_please</title>
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		<dc:creator>obp_please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;-The Mariners should say â€œHold on, weâ€™ve got Anderson on line twoâ€¦â€ and then hang up.-&lt;/em&gt;

Amen.  My guess would be that Griffey&#039;s agent Goldman or whatever has a buddy in Atlanta that can help bluff it up, trading favors via media.  And if we don&#039;t get Griffey?  More room up front at Safeco, less dumb old fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>-The Mariners should say â€œHold on, weâ€™ve got Anderson on line twoâ€¦â€ and then hang up.-</em></p>
<p>Amen.  My guess would be that Griffey&#8217;s agent Goldman or whatever has a buddy in Atlanta that can help bluff it up, trading favors via media.  And if we don&#8217;t get Griffey?  More room up front at Safeco, less dumb old fans.</p>
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		<title>By: themedia</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/14/wheel-of-griffey-stories-continues/comment-page-2/#comment-312757</link>
		<dc:creator>themedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just reread the post and realized I may have overreacted a bit. I think the initial &quot;Pffffft&quot; made the tone seem different than you explained. In reading it again, however, I see your point. 

You know what&#039;s lost in all this bickering? I really want Griffey instead of Anderson. Dave hit the nail on the head: Griffey has less value as a fielder than Anderson, and Anderson has less value than Griffey as a hitter. Here&#039;s hoping we get Griffey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just reread the post and realized I may have overreacted a bit. I think the initial &#8220;Pffffft&#8221; made the tone seem different than you explained. In reading it again, however, I see your point. </p>
<p>You know what&#8217;s lost in all this bickering? I really want Griffey instead of Anderson. Dave hit the nail on the head: Griffey has less value as a fielder than Anderson, and Anderson has less value than Griffey as a hitter. Here&#8217;s hoping we get Griffey.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 02:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soooooooooo if Griffey shows up tomorrow, does the physical, and signs, are we totally vindicated? Or still arrogant but right?

And does it matter if we said what people think what we said, or if we actually wrote something different and it&#039;s being read one way?

Actually, here: If the original post read as anything but &quot;I&#039;ll believe this is substantive when Griffey doesn&#039;t show up in Seattle for a physical&quot; then I offer my apologies. If my admission that I didn&#039;t know what was behind the story read as it&#039;s only the agent driving up the price, my fault for not being clear.

Moving right along then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soooooooooo if Griffey shows up tomorrow, does the physical, and signs, are we totally vindicated? Or still arrogant but right?</p>
<p>And does it matter if we said what people think what we said, or if we actually wrote something different and it&#8217;s being read one way?</p>
<p>Actually, here: If the original post read as anything but &#8220;I&#8217;ll believe this is substantive when Griffey doesn&#8217;t show up in Seattle for a physical&#8221; then I offer my apologies. If my admission that I didn&#8217;t know what was behind the story read as it&#8217;s only the agent driving up the price, my fault for not being clear.</p>
<p>Moving right along then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: themedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>themedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Idiot (Fan),

Jeeze, I wasn&#039;t asking for an apology from anyone. 

I just wanted to point out that a Griffey to ATL deal made sense even before Chipper and others came out of the woodwork supporting it. Griffey is the missing link in LF for ATL because of Diaz&#039;s ineptitude against righties. 

My only point is that sometimes it makes you look .... arrogant .... if you presume to know all the reasons someone would do something (an agent driving up Jr.&#039;s price) when other ideas are readily available (ATL&#039;s personnel needs, the team&#039;s spring training location, etc.). Then, when other information comes out (like Jr.&#039;s daughter&#039;s basketball arrangement), you won&#039;t look like you presumed to know everything before it happened, which is, ironically, what you seem to be suggesting my critique on USSM was. (Incidentally, I should say again that I really do enjoy this blog and find most of Dave and Derek&#039;s posts interesting and insightful.)

I don&#039;t expect the bloggers to come up with all the answers all the time. But I also don&#039;t expect to be reprimanded for suggesting they don&#039;t have all the answers. If you can&#039;t deal with a bit of dissension then maybe you should start your own blog called, &quot;If you don&#039;t like what I think then &#039;knock it the f**k off&#039; dot com.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Idiot (Fan),</p>
<p>Jeeze, I wasn&#8217;t asking for an apology from anyone. </p>
<p>I just wanted to point out that a Griffey to ATL deal made sense even before Chipper and others came out of the woodwork supporting it. Griffey is the missing link in LF for ATL because of Diaz&#8217;s ineptitude against righties. </p>
<p>My only point is that sometimes it makes you look &#8230;. arrogant &#8230;. if you presume to know all the reasons someone would do something (an agent driving up Jr.&#8217;s price) when other ideas are readily available (ATL&#8217;s personnel needs, the team&#8217;s spring training location, etc.). Then, when other information comes out (like Jr.&#8217;s daughter&#8217;s basketball arrangement), you won&#8217;t look like you presumed to know everything before it happened, which is, ironically, what you seem to be suggesting my critique on USSM was. (Incidentally, I should say again that I really do enjoy this blog and find most of Dave and Derek&#8217;s posts interesting and insightful.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect the bloggers to come up with all the answers all the time. But I also don&#8217;t expect to be reprimanded for suggesting they don&#8217;t have all the answers. If you can&#8217;t deal with a bit of dissension then maybe you should start your own blog called, &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like what I think then &#8216;knock it the f**k off&#8217; dot com.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think Griffey going to Atlanta has the potential to work out better for the M&#039;s in terms of having less downside- there&#039;s a non-zero chance that Griffey&#039;s performance in Atlanta would get him released/DFA during the year, or alternately, that he&#039;s available at the trade deadline for cheap, at which point he can show up for a few weeks and give the fans warm fuzzies before he retires.

In the meantime, you can keep working on LONG TERM answers to LF like Swisher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think Griffey going to Atlanta has the potential to work out better for the M&#8217;s in terms of having less downside- there&#8217;s a non-zero chance that Griffey&#8217;s performance in Atlanta would get him released/DFA during the year, or alternately, that he&#8217;s available at the trade deadline for cheap, at which point he can show up for a few weeks and give the fans warm fuzzies before he retires.</p>
<p>In the meantime, you can keep working on LONG TERM answers to LF like Swisher.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I would guess theyâ€™d feel stupid because of such quotes:

(On the idea of Griffey to Atlanta)- â€œPfffffffffftâ€

(On Griffey coming to Seattle)- â€œWe know it, you know it, Griffey knows it. Thereâ€™s no need to post every rumor escalation in every thread.â€

(Again of Griffey coming to Seattle)- â€œlook, heâ€™s coming. Heâ€™ll take the physical Monday, if he passes, theyâ€™ll have a press conference Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe he takes the physical Tuesday. Nothingâ€™s changed.â€

Sounds like stuff that is pretty hard to go back onâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jeepers, if Jr goes to Atlanta, write a letter to the local rag&#039;s editorial board demanding to know why Baker and company can&#039;t get their shite together and their facts straight. 

If you disagree about the USSM commentary concerning the impact that a Jr addition would have on the Ms chances, then lets hear the argument.

I don&#039;t get the notion that USSM has to apologize (or must feel the need to save face) for errors local reporters make....

I don&#039;t really get the notion that local reporters need to apologize when they&#039;re used as a tool unless it&#039;s a habitual blind spot....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would guess theyâ€™d feel stupid because of such quotes:</p>
<p>(On the idea of Griffey to Atlanta)- â€œPfffffffffftâ€</p>
<p>(On Griffey coming to Seattle)- â€œWe know it, you know it, Griffey knows it. Thereâ€™s no need to post every rumor escalation in every thread.â€</p>
<p>(Again of Griffey coming to Seattle)- â€œlook, heâ€™s coming. Heâ€™ll take the physical Monday, if he passes, theyâ€™ll have a press conference Tuesday or Wednesday. Maybe he takes the physical Tuesday. Nothingâ€™s changed.â€</p>
<p>Sounds like stuff that is pretty hard to go back onâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>Jeepers, if Jr goes to Atlanta, write a letter to the local rag&#8217;s editorial board demanding to know why Baker and company can&#8217;t get their shite together and their facts straight. </p>
<p>If you disagree about the USSM commentary concerning the impact that a Jr addition would have on the Ms chances, then lets hear the argument.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the notion that USSM has to apologize (or must feel the need to save face) for errors local reporters make&#8230;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really get the notion that local reporters need to apologize when they&#8217;re used as a tool unless it&#8217;s a habitual blind spot&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gpchurchill</title>
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		<dc:creator>gpchurchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this afternoon, crack reporters at Rotoworld score impressive HI of 154...

Ken Griffey Jr.&#039;s agent, Brian Goldberg, said Sunday morning that &quot;it could go either way&quot; between the Braves and Mariners.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution&#039;s David O&#039;Brien seems to think Griffey will ultimately end up in Atlanta because his family is centered around the southeast United States. Goldberg is in a pretty good spot to drive a bidding war. &lt;em&gt;Both the Braves and M&#039;s like Griffey for his marketability. In this economy, teams are craving high ticket sales.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this afternoon, crack reporters at Rotoworld score impressive HI of 154&#8230;</p>
<p>Ken Griffey Jr.&#8217;s agent, Brian Goldberg, said Sunday morning that &#8220;it could go either way&#8221; between the Braves and Mariners.</p>
<p>The Atlanta Journal-Constitution&#8217;s David O&#8217;Brien seems to think Griffey will ultimately end up in Atlanta because his family is centered around the southeast United States. Goldberg is in a pretty good spot to drive a bidding war. <em>Both the Braves and M&#8217;s like Griffey for his marketability. In this economy, teams are craving high ticket sales.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: GTownHoyas</title>
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		<dc:creator>GTownHoyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry; I wasn&#039;t trying to anger anyone, or seem like a jerk. 

I was just saying as someone earlier said the arrogance can get a bit annoying at times, and that there is really no need for this.

Now please don&#039;t get on me and say &quot;well just don&#039;t read the blog if it bothers you that much.&quot; I like this blog, and I don&#039;t think the arrogance that is sometimes projected is needed; people will respect and show interest in your opinions without it.

@Typical Idiot Fan: I&#039;m sorry if my comment came off as ignorant of whatever you took it to be. But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry; I wasn&#8217;t trying to anger anyone, or seem like a jerk. </p>
<p>I was just saying as someone earlier said the arrogance can get a bit annoying at times, and that there is really no need for this.</p>
<p>Now please don&#8217;t get on me and say &#8220;well just don&#8217;t read the blog if it bothers you that much.&#8221; I like this blog, and I don&#8217;t think the arrogance that is sometimes projected is needed; people will respect and show interest in your opinions without it.</p>
<p>@Typical Idiot Fan: I&#8217;m sorry if my comment came off as ignorant of whatever you took it to be. But realize when you start ranting and criticizing me, you are just lowering yourself to the level you are crticizing people of being at.</p>
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