Comments on: Griffey And The Outfield http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/ Seattle Mariners blog and general baseball discussion Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:19:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: jjracoon http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314298 jjracoon Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:04:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314298 If a plan was worked out before hand as to playing time in LF versus DH then this is not a good way for him to voice his dissension as I cant see one positive thing that can come from it. For someone identified as bringing the players together, it would put a very negative spin on anything else he says. If I was to read into what he said, and I am going to, he is saying I am going to play LF fulltime as long as I am healthy and use the DH for a rest day once a month. If I am not healthy enough to play LF anymore than I will RETIRE!! I am an outfielder first and only!! If a plan was worked out before hand as to playing time in LF versus DH then this is not a good way for him to voice his dissension as I cant see one positive thing that can come from it. For someone identified as bringing the players together, it would put a very negative spin on anything else he says. If I was to read into what he said, and I am going to, he is saying I am going to play LF fulltime as long as I am healthy and use the DH for a rest day once a month. If I am not healthy enough to play LF anymore than I will RETIRE!! I am an outfielder first and only!!

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314297 DMZ Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:00:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314297 Yes, see previous comments (many) Yes, see previous comments (many)

]]> By: jjracoon http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314296 jjracoon Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:37:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314296 Well based on the live conversation that Gasfrom KJR had with Griffey at about 530pm 2/24/09 the following kind of summarizes Griffeys position: Griffey is NOT interested in the DH position. He is interested in the LF position. He would be willing to DH once a month. If more DH per month than that discussions will be necessary. Based on that conversation with Gas I would say that nothing was said to him about being a fulltime DH!! Well based on the live conversation that Gasfrom KJR had with Griffey at about 530pm 2/24/09 the following kind of summarizes Griffeys position:

Griffey is NOT interested in the DH position.

He is interested in the LF position.

He would be willing to DH once a month.

If more DH per month than that discussions will be necessary.

Based on that conversation with Gas I would say that nothing was said to him about being a fulltime DH!!

]]> By: Dave http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314260 Dave Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:29:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314260 WAR for a DH is extremely easy to calculate - it's just Batting Wins Above Average. A league average hitter with no defensive value is basically the definition of a replacement level player, so for a DH, WAR = WAA. So, Jr would have to be +10 runs offensively to be a +1 WAR DH. Assuming a league average wOBA of .330 and that Griffey would get 500 PA as a DH, that would put 1 WAR at a .353 wOBA or so. WAR for a DH is extremely easy to calculate – it’s just Batting Wins Above Average. A league average hitter with no defensive value is basically the definition of a replacement level player, so for a DH, WAR = WAA.

So, Jr would have to be +10 runs offensively to be a +1 WAR DH. Assuming a league average wOBA of .330 and that Griffey would get 500 PA as a DH, that would put 1 WAR at a .353 wOBA or so.

]]> By: PositivePaul http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314255 PositivePaul Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:35:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314255 Swung on and BELTED, Dave! My skepticism of the reliability of defensive stats is well-published online, but this is very helpful in getting me more in line with common thinking here... Nice work! Can't wait to see him in CF ;-) (I'm KIIIIDDIING!!!) As a follow-up, I'm not sure if anyone replied to my comment (I haven't checked yet), but it sure would be interesting to know what Griffey would have to hit to be worth 1 WAR as mostly a DH (i.e. seeing very, very little time in the field - such that the defensive "hit" in his value would be negligible at best, although this article does give us some basis for defining "negligible" in that context). Swung on and BELTED, Dave!

My skepticism of the reliability of defensive stats is well-published online, but this is very helpful in getting me more in line with common thinking here…

Nice work!

Can’t wait to see him in CF ;-)

(I’m KIIIIDDIING!!!)

As a follow-up, I’m not sure if anyone replied to my comment (I haven’t checked yet), but it sure would be interesting to know what Griffey would have to hit to be worth 1 WAR as mostly a DH (i.e. seeing very, very little time in the field – such that the defensive “hit” in his value would be negligible at best, although this article does give us some basis for defining “negligible” in that context).

]]> By: nycredsfan http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314226 nycredsfan Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:15:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314226 As a lifelong Reds fan who has watched Griffey closely the last 9 years, I applaud this analysis. Watching him play confirms all of the defensive metrics. He just <em>looks</em> slow in the field, and there will be so many balls that it looks like he should get that he won't even try for. DH is definitely the better solution. Also, while I know this can't be proven, I think playing the field makes him a worse hitter over the season as it wears him down and makes him more susceptible to the nagging leg and knee injuries he always seems to get. I think if he is primarily a DH, look for a very solid offensive year from him. As a lifelong Reds fan who has watched Griffey closely the last 9 years, I applaud this analysis. Watching him play confirms all of the defensive metrics. He just looks slow in the field, and there will be so many balls that it looks like he should get that he won’t even try for. DH is definitely the better solution. Also, while I know this can’t be proven, I think playing the field makes him a worse hitter over the season as it wears him down and makes him more susceptible to the nagging leg and knee injuries he always seems to get. I think if he is primarily a DH, look for a very solid offensive year from him.

]]> By: Breadbaker http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314199 Breadbaker Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:32:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314199 <blockquote>I heard we get a prize at 50m. </blockquote> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/02-UD-DIAMOND-CON-JOSE-VIDRO-JERSEY-CARD_W0QQitemZ250375405504QQihZ015QQcategoryZ56119QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow">This</a> is your prize.

I heard we get a prize at 50m.

This is your prize.

]]> By: DMZ http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314181 DMZ Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:39:23 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314181 I heard we get a prize at 50m. I heard we get a prize at 50m.

]]> By: Jeff Nye http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314179 Jeff Nye Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:36:05 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314179 Can we maybe not turn this into yet another "Lincoln/Armstrong are the root of all evil" discussion that we've had about 30 million times already? Thanks. Can we maybe not turn this into yet another “Lincoln/Armstrong are the root of all evil” discussion that we’ve had about 30 million times already?

Thanks.

]]> By: Edgarrulez http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/02/22/griffey-and-the-outfield/comment-page-2/#comment-314178 Edgarrulez Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:09:13 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=7386#comment-314178 But you forgot the one factor that overrides all other considerations and WILL cause Jr. to play in LF: Howie and Co. think the fans will buy more tickets if they think they might see Griffey in LF. But you forgot the one factor that overrides all other considerations and WILL cause Jr. to play in LF:

Howie and Co. think the fans will buy more tickets if they think they might see Griffey in LF.

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