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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/02/the-no-lefty-pen/comment-page-1/#comment-316876</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you didnâ€™t have set-up men and closers, what you had were guys trying to crack the rotation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

or starters on their way out of baseball, injured guys... but yeah, your point&#039;s well-taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you didnâ€™t have set-up men and closers, what you had were guys trying to crack the rotation.</p></blockquote>
<p>or starters on their way out of baseball, injured guys&#8230; but yeah, your point&#8217;s well-taken.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveValleDrinkNight</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveValleDrinkNight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 20&#039;s through the 60&#039;s, you didn&#039;t have set-up men and closers, what you had were guys trying to crack the rotation.

What the M&#039;s are doing with Morrow is ridiculous. Any pitcher with any stuff growing through little league to the minors or college is a starter.

Period.

If you&#039;ve been a starting pitcher for god knows how long, then why can&#039;t you keep that mentality.

Nobody coaches closers in Junior High or High School ball. Get out there and Pitch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 20&#8242;s through the 60&#8242;s, you didn&#8217;t have set-up men and closers, what you had were guys trying to crack the rotation.</p>
<p>What the M&#8217;s are doing with Morrow is ridiculous. Any pitcher with any stuff growing through little league to the minors or college is a starter.</p>
<p>Period.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been a starting pitcher for god knows how long, then why can&#8217;t you keep that mentality.</p>
<p>Nobody coaches closers in Junior High or High School ball. Get out there and Pitch!</p>
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		<title>By: Refuses to take hints about changing nickname</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refuses to take hints about changing nickname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are acting like the idea of not having a lefty in the pen is a good one, and wakamatsu made a smart decision by doing so.   I&#039;m sure this is something he&#039;d rather not have to do, but it&#039;s something that kind of came to this conclusion in a roundabout way.   

   There&#039;s no one ready to join the pen who&#039;s left handed at this time, and when the time comes where Johnson is ready in a few weeks tops, Wakamatsu will want him on the team no doubt, because he&#039;s left- handed, and that is an important position in a bullpen.   Loogies are like security blankets, they make you feel better knowing they&#039;re out there screwin around in the pen, and you can call em up and make em throw junk to one lefty hitter for one AB and have a good shot of getting that guy out.   Without a loogy, your pen looks weird and naked, especially when none of the righties are all that good at gettin out lefties.  Think about it, I mean Mark Lowe&#039;s changeup, Batista&#039;s cutter and Aardsma&#039;s splitter are the only 3 pitches in that pen that &quot;might&quot; neutralize a lefty.   So in summation, we&#039;ll be alright hopefully, with this &#039;pen for a little while, but don&#039;t go actin like rockin a righty bullpen all season long is a good idea.  It ain&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are acting like the idea of not having a lefty in the pen is a good one, and wakamatsu made a smart decision by doing so.   I&#8217;m sure this is something he&#8217;d rather not have to do, but it&#8217;s something that kind of came to this conclusion in a roundabout way.   </p>
<p>   There&#8217;s no one ready to join the pen who&#8217;s left handed at this time, and when the time comes where Johnson is ready in a few weeks tops, Wakamatsu will want him on the team no doubt, because he&#8217;s left- handed, and that is an important position in a bullpen.   Loogies are like security blankets, they make you feel better knowing they&#8217;re out there screwin around in the pen, and you can call em up and make em throw junk to one lefty hitter for one AB and have a good shot of getting that guy out.   Without a loogy, your pen looks weird and naked, especially when none of the righties are all that good at gettin out lefties.  Think about it, I mean Mark Lowe&#8217;s changeup, Batista&#8217;s cutter and Aardsma&#8217;s splitter are the only 3 pitches in that pen that &#8220;might&#8221; neutralize a lefty.   So in summation, we&#8217;ll be alright hopefully, with this &#8216;pen for a little while, but don&#8217;t go actin like rockin a righty bullpen all season long is a good idea.  It ain&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Teej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Scott Bakerâ€™s on the DL now, too. So the Mâ€™s open against a lefty (Liriano). Will Griffey sit out opening day? Or pinch hit?&lt;/em&gt;

The new regime is promising and all, but no one&#039;s going to bench Junior on opening day unless he&#039;s hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Scott Bakerâ€™s on the DL now, too. So the Mâ€™s open against a lefty (Liriano). Will Griffey sit out opening day? Or pinch hit?</em></p>
<p>The new regime is promising and all, but no one&#8217;s going to bench Junior on opening day unless he&#8217;s hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 05:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It seems like they could solve the problem easily by moving Washburn to the bullpen and giving either Jakubauskus or another RHP a shot at the rotation. I have nothing against Washburn, but heâ€™s clearly not a long-term solution and he might thrive in a one-inning environment. Any thoughts?&lt;/em&gt;

If he goes to the bullpen we absolutely destroy his value.  If someone was stupid enough to take his entire salary on last year, there&#039;s a slight chance he can &quot;rebound&quot; with a great outfield defense and we&#039;ll find another sucker this year.

I think the chance of shifting him, even for nothing in return, is worth shooting for.  Plus, Washburn isn&#039;t that bad of a starter, probably better than any of the other options we could put in his place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It seems like they could solve the problem easily by moving Washburn to the bullpen and giving either Jakubauskus or another RHP a shot at the rotation. I have nothing against Washburn, but heâ€™s clearly not a long-term solution and he might thrive in a one-inning environment. Any thoughts?</em></p>
<p>If he goes to the bullpen we absolutely destroy his value.  If someone was stupid enough to take his entire salary on last year, there&#8217;s a slight chance he can &#8220;rebound&#8221; with a great outfield defense and we&#8217;ll find another sucker this year.</p>
<p>I think the chance of shifting him, even for nothing in return, is worth shooting for.  Plus, Washburn isn&#8217;t that bad of a starter, probably better than any of the other options we could put in his place.</p>
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		<title>By: unholycow</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott Baker&#039;s on the DL now, too. So the M&#039;s open against a lefty (Liriano). Will Griffey sit out opening day? Or pinch hit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Baker&#8217;s on the DL now, too. So the M&#8217;s open against a lefty (Liriano). Will Griffey sit out opening day? Or pinch hit?</p>
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		<title>By: hoponpop01</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoponpop01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In reality, weâ€™re looking at ~10 PA where youâ€™d consider bringing in a lefty to face those guys. The total run value difference is going to be in the fractions of a run.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fractions of a run over the course of the month, but if you have a lefty with a slider or sinker in the pen and Giambi/Morneau is up with a runner on first and one out in the top of the eighth while the M&#039;s are up one, fractions of a run don&#039;t happen.  

I love the stats and cybermatrics you guys provide on this site, but there are pure baseball situations where even if you have a guy on your roster you don&#039;t use very often (usually end up being Rule V picks, but don&#039;t have to be) when used in the right situations they can be a key piece of the club.  

But then again, none of the left-handed options were really viable, so good move Wak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In reality, weâ€™re looking at ~10 PA where youâ€™d consider bringing in a lefty to face those guys. The total run value difference is going to be in the fractions of a run.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fractions of a run over the course of the month, but if you have a lefty with a slider or sinker in the pen and Giambi/Morneau is up with a runner on first and one out in the top of the eighth while the M&#8217;s are up one, fractions of a run don&#8217;t happen.  </p>
<p>I love the stats and cybermatrics you guys provide on this site, but there are pure baseball situations where even if you have a guy on your roster you don&#8217;t use very often (usually end up being Rule V picks, but don&#8217;t have to be) when used in the right situations they can be a key piece of the club.  </p>
<p>But then again, none of the left-handed options were really viable, so good move Wak.</p>
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		<title>By: thinkingfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>thinkingfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like they could solve the problem easily by moving Washburn to the bullpen and giving either Jakubauskus or another RHP a shot at the rotation.  I have nothing against Washburn, but he&#039;s clearly not a long-term solution and he might thrive in a one-inning environment.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like they could solve the problem easily by moving Washburn to the bullpen and giving either Jakubauskus or another RHP a shot at the rotation.  I have nothing against Washburn, but he&#8217;s clearly not a long-term solution and he might thrive in a one-inning environment.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: dchappelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>dchappelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I concede.  It isn&#039;t as big a difference as I thought.  Even if we were talking 1 PA per day, and a larger than average platoon split (say .035  wOBA), it&#039;d have to be a full month before you even equaled a run, even without compensating for a slightly lower quality pitcher overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I concede.  It isn&#8217;t as big a difference as I thought.  Even if we were talking 1 PA per day, and a larger than average platoon split (say .035  wOBA), it&#8217;d have to be a full month before you even equaled a run, even without compensating for a slightly lower quality pitcher overall.</p>
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		<title>By: ppl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly prefer this arrangement, if the alternative is to go out and pick-up one of many &quot;specialists&quot; that always seem to be available. Because there is a reason why they are available, and anyone that you waive now off the 40 man roster to make room for them or anyone passed over for any open spot you use, can&#039;t help but be a more valuable player. Then you get a guy whose not as good as the your AAA lefties, only more experienced, causing you to probably loose a guy, who lands in K.C. and hits 11 home runs and everone acts as though the M&#039;s let a HOF guy get away. better for all this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly prefer this arrangement, if the alternative is to go out and pick-up one of many &#8220;specialists&#8221; that always seem to be available. Because there is a reason why they are available, and anyone that you waive now off the 40 man roster to make room for them or anyone passed over for any open spot you use, can&#8217;t help but be a more valuable player. Then you get a guy whose not as good as the your AAA lefties, only more experienced, causing you to probably loose a guy, who lands in K.C. and hits 11 home runs and everone acts as though the M&#8217;s let a HOF guy get away. better for all this way.</p>
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