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		<title>By: PaulMolitorCocktail</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317162</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulMolitorCocktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad Gaudin was just released, time for us to shore up our thinning ranks of right-handed relievers.</description>
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		<title>By: ppl</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317153</link>
		<dc:creator>ppl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not going to be down on Zduriencik because of this one move. But it did seem to stray from the more pragamtic course this organization was taking. And looking at the big picture, what is the future of our rotation? Only Felix projects long-term and keeping him around isn&#039;t going to be cheap. We all know that the price of even mid-level starters is high in free agnecy, and Aumont was one of the top guys we were developing. This applies to right now, it could all change drastically in June, If Boras has succeded in scaring the Nats away from Strasburg and the M&#039;s bite, and pay him what he wants, all of a sudden we might have the ingredients  of a dynastic rotation not too far down the road. And then a deep, talented, dominant pen could seem quite good indeed. Right now they seem to be diminshing the pool of the very thing you can never get too much of, good starting pitching, especially where you can get the most talent, and the best price: developing it in your own organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to be down on Zduriencik because of this one move. But it did seem to stray from the more pragamtic course this organization was taking. And looking at the big picture, what is the future of our rotation? Only Felix projects long-term and keeping him around isn&#8217;t going to be cheap. We all know that the price of even mid-level starters is high in free agnecy, and Aumont was one of the top guys we were developing. This applies to right now, it could all change drastically in June, If Boras has succeded in scaring the Nats away from Strasburg and the M&#8217;s bite, and pay him what he wants, all of a sudden we might have the ingredients  of a dynastic rotation not too far down the road. And then a deep, talented, dominant pen could seem quite good indeed. Right now they seem to be diminshing the pool of the very thing you can never get too much of, good starting pitching, especially where you can get the most talent, and the best price: developing it in your own organization.</p>
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		<title>By: LewLegend</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317147</link>
		<dc:creator>LewLegend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I have a ton of faith in Jack Z.  If anyone needs to reason to find out why Bob Fontaine was let go, we now know.  Reliever, reliever, reliever in the first round of the past three drafts.  Yick.

I hope Aumont is brought around as a reliever and then made a starter once he meets the innings requirement or whatever goals they set out for him to meet.  Maybe they have Fields on the conversion path as well.  He seems to have a good fastball and a nasty curve.  A third pitch can get him into the rotation possibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I have a ton of faith in Jack Z.  If anyone needs to reason to find out why Bob Fontaine was let go, we now know.  Reliever, reliever, reliever in the first round of the past three drafts.  Yick.</p>
<p>I hope Aumont is brought around as a reliever and then made a starter once he meets the innings requirement or whatever goals they set out for him to meet.  Maybe they have Fields on the conversion path as well.  He seems to have a good fastball and a nasty curve.  A third pitch can get him into the rotation possibly.</p>
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		<title>By: SeasonTix</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317144</link>
		<dc:creator>SeasonTix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

I&#039;m amazed at how fast everybody is dumping on Jack Z over a couple of relatively minor moves.

&quot;Franchise crippling ... &quot;  Really?

So Morrow is going to the &#039;pen instead of the starting rotation.  Maybe he would have sucked as a starter (Morrow himself seems to think so).

Aumont has yet to throw an inning in the bigs, so maybe he wouldn&#039;t be such a hot starter either. There&#039;s no way to know until he pitches for a season or two.

I remember a lot of &quot;hot prospect&quot; pitchers in the M&#039;s minor league system that never panned out in the major leagues.

It&#039;s not like the M&#039;s are taking PROVEN major league starters and putting them in the &#039;pen.

I still have a lot of faith in Jack Z and the rest of his staff.  I&#039;m confident that they are looking at the long-term future of the M&#039;s and they are NOT as &quot;dumb&quot; as some of you think they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed at how fast everybody is dumping on Jack Z over a couple of relatively minor moves.</p>
<p>&#8220;Franchise crippling &#8230; &#8221;  Really?</p>
<p>So Morrow is going to the &#8216;pen instead of the starting rotation.  Maybe he would have sucked as a starter (Morrow himself seems to think so).</p>
<p>Aumont has yet to throw an inning in the bigs, so maybe he wouldn&#8217;t be such a hot starter either. There&#8217;s no way to know until he pitches for a season or two.</p>
<p>I remember a lot of &#8220;hot prospect&#8221; pitchers in the M&#8217;s minor league system that never panned out in the major leagues.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like the M&#8217;s are taking PROVEN major league starters and putting them in the &#8216;pen.</p>
<p>I still have a lot of faith in Jack Z and the rest of his staff.  I&#8217;m confident that they are looking at the long-term future of the M&#8217;s and they are NOT as &#8220;dumb&#8221; as some of you think they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317137</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points made in the comments. Maybe GMZ now knows he has to trade Morrow and/or Fields to be able to shape the team the way he wants. In order to do that, perhaps he needs to have one more potential top-notch closer-material pitcher in the pipeline to replace them--or at least create that impression with trade partners so he is trading from a position of strength rather than weakness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points made in the comments. Maybe GMZ now knows he has to trade Morrow and/or Fields to be able to shape the team the way he wants. In order to do that, perhaps he needs to have one more potential top-notch closer-material pitcher in the pipeline to replace them&#8211;or at least create that impression with trade partners so he is trading from a position of strength rather than weakness.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Livengood</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/05/true-but/comment-page-1/#comment-317133</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Livengood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candasharp, thanks for your comment, which I agree with.  Some of you guys need to be analyzed according to Dave&#039;/Fangraphs&#039; newly-crowned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/writers-get-hi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hyperbole Index&lt;/a&gt;.

Is this good news?  No.  I&#039;d prefer that Aumont be given an opportunity to fail first.  HOWEVER, I definitely believe that the people running this team are in a much better position to evaluate the player pitching in front of them TODAY (not the player they thought they were getting on draft day), and I give a lot of deference to their opinion that he &lt;em&gt;may&lt;/em&gt; be better suited to a relief role at this point for all kinds of reasons (most mentioned by candasharp).  I&#039;m sure this would not be Jack Z&#039;s preference, either, but sometimes you have to face reality.  

My only question about the decision is if we&#039;re facing &quot;reality&quot; just yet, or merely informed speculation.  If the latter, let&#039;s let him start until &quot;reality&quot; actually sets in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candasharp, thanks for your comment, which I agree with.  Some of you guys need to be analyzed according to Dave&#8217;/Fangraphs&#8217; newly-crowned <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/writers-get-hi/" rel="nofollow">Hyperbole Index</a>.</p>
<p>Is this good news?  No.  I&#8217;d prefer that Aumont be given an opportunity to fail first.  HOWEVER, I definitely believe that the people running this team are in a much better position to evaluate the player pitching in front of them TODAY (not the player they thought they were getting on draft day), and I give a lot of deference to their opinion that he <em>may</em> be better suited to a relief role at this point for all kinds of reasons (most mentioned by candasharp).  I&#8217;m sure this would not be Jack Z&#8217;s preference, either, but sometimes you have to face reality.  </p>
<p>My only question about the decision is if we&#8217;re facing &#8220;reality&#8221; just yet, or merely informed speculation.  If the latter, let&#8217;s let him start until &#8220;reality&#8221; actually sets in.</p>
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		<title>By: UpOrDownMsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>UpOrDownMsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after giving it some more &quot;what exactly is going on&quot; thoughts-- maybe GMZ has made the evaluation that Aumont isn&#039;t the &quot;be all/end all&quot; some people thought (remember our other &quot;sure thing&quot; super tall, hard throwing prospect- the baby unit!?) and is trying to get him to the bigs to show off his size and speed to the rest of the league, so he can deal him for a different starter prospect before other folks figure out his limited potential?  just wondering out loud, and searching for answers...

(slightly off track- but [deleted, off track]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after giving it some more &#8220;what exactly is going on&#8221; thoughts&#8211; maybe GMZ has made the evaluation that Aumont isn&#8217;t the &#8220;be all/end all&#8221; some people thought (remember our other &#8220;sure thing&#8221; super tall, hard throwing prospect- the baby unit!?) and is trying to get him to the bigs to show off his size and speed to the rest of the league, so he can deal him for a different starter prospect before other folks figure out his limited potential?  just wondering out loud, and searching for answers&#8230;</p>
<p>(slightly off track- but [deleted, off track]</p>
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		<title>By: metz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>metz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind the quote on limiting his innings. The thing that bugs me the most is the desire to fast track him to the bigs. He&#039;s only 20, either his arm falls apart as a starter in limited innings in the minor leagues or it doesn&#039;t. 

Haves the M&#039;s learned nothing from how San Fran developed Lincecum or how they developed Felix? They didn&#039;t fast track them to the bigs as a reliever. They let them develop as a starter in the minors. When he had nothing to prove they brought them up.

I&#039;m amazed if their thinking is that a reliever, pitching 50 innings a year has more value than even a 5th starter going 180 innings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind the quote on limiting his innings. The thing that bugs me the most is the desire to fast track him to the bigs. He&#8217;s only 20, either his arm falls apart as a starter in limited innings in the minor leagues or it doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Haves the M&#8217;s learned nothing from how San Fran developed Lincecum or how they developed Felix? They didn&#8217;t fast track them to the bigs as a reliever. They let them develop as a starter in the minors. When he had nothing to prove they brought them up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed if their thinking is that a reliever, pitching 50 innings a year has more value than even a 5th starter going 180 innings.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Based on a breakdown of his mechanics, they may have determined that the likelihood of a major arm injury was too great as a starter based on pitch count issues, pitch arsenal development and basic mechanical flaws that may not be correctable.&lt;/em&gt;

Just because people making stuff up on the internet pretend to be able to predict injuries based on mechanics does not mean that actual baseball teams buy into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Based on a breakdown of his mechanics, they may have determined that the likelihood of a major arm injury was too great as a starter based on pitch count issues, pitch arsenal development and basic mechanical flaws that may not be correctable.</em></p>
<p>Just because people making stuff up on the internet pretend to be able to predict injuries based on mechanics does not mean that actual baseball teams buy into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tek Jansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tek Jansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, the right-handed pitching depth is minimal, but at least Silva is signed through 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, the right-handed pitching depth is minimal, but at least Silva is signed through 2011.</p>
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