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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/16/johjima-to-dl/comment-page-1/#comment-320975</link>
		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Please explain. Are you claiming Clement is now a â€˜busted prospectâ€™?&lt;/em&gt;

Jeff Clement is older than Jose Lopez, and still doesn&#039;t have a roster spot on a MLB team, after being a first round draft pick in 2005 justlike Trot Tulowitzki, Alex Gordon, Justin Upton, Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun (who&#039;ve all gotten regular jobs on MLB teams and were drafted before and after him). He&#039;ll turn 26 this August, so he&#039;s not a particularly young player, either, like, say, Cameron Maybin- to give you an idea, Edgar spent a big chunk of HIS age 26 year on the M&#039;s roster, and he&#039;s a very good example of someone who started his career very late by MLB standard. Oh, and Clement&#039;s had multiple knee surgeries and plays a position (poorly) that is notoriously hard on knees and ages players prematurely.

I&#039;m not saying Clement won&#039;t go on to a decent MLB career (I think he&#039;s a ~league average hitter at 1B/DH today, maybe a touch better), but I&#039;d say the odds are very high that if he does, it&#039;s as a ~league average hitting 1B/DH, not as a catcher, and the M&#039;s have a guy (Mike Carp) who&#039;s a couple years younger than Clement, not that far behind Clement as a hitter at a similar age, without being needed to be converted to a new defensive position- so it&#039;s not even all that clear that Clement is the best 1B prospect in the organization at this point, and the M&#039;s have a logjam of players blocking Clement for 2009 (Branyan, Griffey, Wlad and Shelton).

That&#039;s why I think Clement will end up as part of a trade; because his path through the organization is murky at best, and he probably has more value to another team than the Mariners. That doesn&#039;t mean he has no value, but it&#039;s unlikely he realizes it on this team catching... and yeah, that makes him a busted prospect compared to what he was visualized as even a year or two ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Please explain. Are you claiming Clement is now a â€˜busted prospectâ€™?</em></p>
<p>Jeff Clement is older than Jose Lopez, and still doesn&#8217;t have a roster spot on a MLB team, after being a first round draft pick in 2005 justlike Trot Tulowitzki, Alex Gordon, Justin Upton, Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun (who&#8217;ve all gotten regular jobs on MLB teams and were drafted before and after him). He&#8217;ll turn 26 this August, so he&#8217;s not a particularly young player, either, like, say, Cameron Maybin- to give you an idea, Edgar spent a big chunk of HIS age 26 year on the M&#8217;s roster, and he&#8217;s a very good example of someone who started his career very late by MLB standard. Oh, and Clement&#8217;s had multiple knee surgeries and plays a position (poorly) that is notoriously hard on knees and ages players prematurely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Clement won&#8217;t go on to a decent MLB career (I think he&#8217;s a ~league average hitter at 1B/DH today, maybe a touch better), but I&#8217;d say the odds are very high that if he does, it&#8217;s as a ~league average hitting 1B/DH, not as a catcher, and the M&#8217;s have a guy (Mike Carp) who&#8217;s a couple years younger than Clement, not that far behind Clement as a hitter at a similar age, without being needed to be converted to a new defensive position- so it&#8217;s not even all that clear that Clement is the best 1B prospect in the organization at this point, and the M&#8217;s have a logjam of players blocking Clement for 2009 (Branyan, Griffey, Wlad and Shelton).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think Clement will end up as part of a trade; because his path through the organization is murky at best, and he probably has more value to another team than the Mariners. That doesn&#8217;t mean he has no value, but it&#8217;s unlikely he realizes it on this team catching&#8230; and yeah, that makes him a busted prospect compared to what he was visualized as even a year or two ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Go Felix</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/16/johjima-to-dl/comment-page-1/#comment-320840</link>
		<dc:creator>Go Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAKU JAKU JAKU JAKU.....4 innings of scoreless ball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JAKU JAKU JAKU JAKU&#8230;..4 innings of scoreless ball!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/16/johjima-to-dl/comment-page-1/#comment-320817</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;wouldnâ€™t it be better for Clement to play every day on Tacoma, than to sit most of the time up here?&lt;/em&gt;

Absolutely, but that shows he&#039;s definitely inferior to Johnson in the front office&#039;s thinking at present. He&#039;s not just in the minors because he needs a chance to play, but because the team figures it has better options. Even though Johnson doesn&#039;t have nearly the same potential as a hitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>wouldnâ€™t it be better for Clement to play every day on Tacoma, than to sit most of the time up here?</em></p>
<p>Absolutely, but that shows he&#8217;s definitely inferior to Johnson in the front office&#8217;s thinking at present. He&#8217;s not just in the minors because he needs a chance to play, but because the team figures it has better options. Even though Johnson doesn&#8217;t have nearly the same potential as a hitter.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJared</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigJared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t read too much into this in regards to Clement. He is best served right now by playing everyday which he will only do in Tacoma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t read too much into this in regards to Clement. He is best served right now by playing everyday which he will only do in Tacoma.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, especially if he&#039;s trying to get his hitting turned around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, especially if he&#8217;s trying to get his hitting turned around.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wouldn&#039;t it be better for Clement to play every day on Tacoma, than to sit most of the time up here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t it be better for Clement to play every day on Tacoma, than to sit most of the time up here?</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Baker &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2009/04/15/more_on_rowland-smith_injury_a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrote about it&lt;/a&gt; at the end of his update on RRS&#039; injury.  At least he gets to rehab in Seattle so he&#039;ll have an opportunity to get a sniff of what exciting, regular-season Mariners baseball can be (just in case he needs any additional motivation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Baker <a href="http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2009/04/15/more_on_rowland-smith_injury_a.html" rel="nofollow">wrote about it</a> at the end of his update on RRS&#8217; injury.  At least he gets to rehab in Seattle so he&#8217;ll have an opportunity to get a sniff of what exciting, regular-season Mariners baseball can be (just in case he needs any additional motivation).</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. I meant to say &quot;deathly&quot;. Obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. I meant to say &#8220;deathly&#8221;. Obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: You Gotta Luv These Guys</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/04/16/johjima-to-dl/comment-page-1/#comment-320793</link>
		<dc:creator>You Gotta Luv These Guys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN, sorry folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN, sorry folks.</p>
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		<title>By: You Gotta Luv These Guys</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Gotta Luv These Guys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse the idiocy, but where/when do we get a lineup? tx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse the idiocy, but where/when do we get a lineup? tx.</p>
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