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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330674</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PBS:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/peavy-to-the-white-sox&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;as Dave showed over at Fangraphs recently&lt;/a&gt;, Peavy&#039;s really not as good as his ballpark and league make him look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PBS:  <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/peavy-to-the-white-sox" rel="nofollow">as Dave showed over at Fangraphs recently</a>, Peavy&#8217;s really not as good as his ballpark and league make him look.</p>
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		<title>By: PBS</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330667</link>
		<dc:creator>PBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How &#039;bout Bedard and prospects for Peavy?

We get a top of the rotation starter who is under contract for multiple years, with a high ceiling...

Padres get, uh, Bedard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How &#8217;bout Bedard and prospects for Peavy?</p>
<p>We get a top of the rotation starter who is under contract for multiple years, with a high ceiling&#8230;</p>
<p>Padres get, uh, Bedard.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330662</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... and unlike the Athletics, we donâ€™t want the Yankeeâ€™s luxury tax paying our entire roster, do we?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thereâ€™s a difference between the (so-called) luxury tax and revenue sharing. No other franchise sees a penny of NYY luxury tax money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; and unlike the Athletics, we donâ€™t want the Yankeeâ€™s luxury tax paying our entire roster, do we?</p></blockquote>
<p>Thereâ€™s a difference between the (so-called) luxury tax and revenue sharing. No other franchise sees a penny of NYY luxury tax money.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330661</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As for Ichiro, I donâ€™t see him being moved this season. I do, however, see him wearing Dodger blue at the start of the 2010 or 2011 season.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

After 2010, Ichiro will have no-trade protection by 5-and-10 rights. Heâ€™ll be wearing another uniform only if he says so. Itâ€™s safe to assume heâ€™ll say so only if something sweetens the deal for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As for Ichiro, I donâ€™t see him being moved this season. I do, however, see him wearing Dodger blue at the start of the 2010 or 2011 season.</p></blockquote>
<p>After 2010, Ichiro will have no-trade protection by 5-and-10 rights. Heâ€™ll be wearing another uniform only if he says so. Itâ€™s safe to assume heâ€™ll say so only if something sweetens the deal for him.</p>
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		<title>By: henryv</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330647</link>
		<dc:creator>henryv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How many more days till catchers and pitchers report for 2010 spring training?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

About 250 days.

However, the goal wasn&#039;t ever really to win in 2009.  The goal was to build a winning franchise.

And at this point in the season, its time to focus on that, not on this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How many more days till catchers and pitchers report for 2010 spring training?</p></blockquote>
<p>About 250 days.</p>
<p>However, the goal wasn&#8217;t ever really to win in 2009.  The goal was to build a winning franchise.</p>
<p>And at this point in the season, its time to focus on that, not on this season.</p>
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		<title>By: mln</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330645</link>
		<dc:creator>mln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the 2009 season is being punted about 2 months in. Guess it&#039;s better than 2008. Baby steps. 

How many more days till catchers and pitchers report for 2010 spring training?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the 2009 season is being punted about 2 months in. Guess it&#8217;s better than 2008. Baby steps. </p>
<p>How many more days till catchers and pitchers report for 2010 spring training?</p>
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		<title>By: kenshabby</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/05/27/let-the-sell-off-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-330636</link>
		<dc:creator>kenshabby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Ichiro, I don&#039;t see him being moved this season. I do, however, see him wearing Dodger blue at the start of the 2010 or 2011 season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Ichiro, I don&#8217;t see him being moved this season. I do, however, see him wearing Dodger blue at the start of the 2010 or 2011 season.</p>
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		<title>By: Utis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Contrary View

It&#039;s not time to punt 2009 yet.  Yes, the odds are against it but the teams in the division and the league are sufficiently flawed that anything is possible.

It is best to adopt Beane&#039;s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 view of the season.  The first thrd is spent finding out what we have : good defense, good pitching, weak hitters.  The next third is spent making adjustments.  Get some left hand relief pitching.  Drop two of Beltre, Lopez, Yuni for better bats.  Find another outfielder with some pop.  Drop one or both of Sweeney and Wlad.  Bring up Clement and Carp.  By all means listen to offers for anyone but get back players that can help relatively soon.  I don&#039;t want to go to Safeco just to watch prospects that may not pan out.  The goal should be a team that can win some games the remainder of the year and in future years.  Luckily, it looks like that is Z&#039;s plan.

Above all, don&#039;t trade Ichiro unless the return is overwhelming.  These last few years, he has been one of the few reasons to go watch a Mariner&#039;s game.  Baseball isn&#039;t just a team sport.  It is also an individual sport and the M&#039;s owe it to the fans to put some players out there worth watching.  Only one team can win the WS every year but even the M&#039;s can have a player or two that just make you shake your head in wonder.  I want to see a player go 5 for 5 or climb the right field wall to make a catch even if the team doesn&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Contrary View</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not time to punt 2009 yet.  Yes, the odds are against it but the teams in the division and the league are sufficiently flawed that anything is possible.</p>
<p>It is best to adopt Beane&#8217;s 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 view of the season.  The first thrd is spent finding out what we have : good defense, good pitching, weak hitters.  The next third is spent making adjustments.  Get some left hand relief pitching.  Drop two of Beltre, Lopez, Yuni for better bats.  Find another outfielder with some pop.  Drop one or both of Sweeney and Wlad.  Bring up Clement and Carp.  By all means listen to offers for anyone but get back players that can help relatively soon.  I don&#8217;t want to go to Safeco just to watch prospects that may not pan out.  The goal should be a team that can win some games the remainder of the year and in future years.  Luckily, it looks like that is Z&#8217;s plan.</p>
<p>Above all, don&#8217;t trade Ichiro unless the return is overwhelming.  These last few years, he has been one of the few reasons to go watch a Mariner&#8217;s game.  Baseball isn&#8217;t just a team sport.  It is also an individual sport and the M&#8217;s owe it to the fans to put some players out there worth watching.  Only one team can win the WS every year but even the M&#8217;s can have a player or two that just make you shake your head in wonder.  I want to see a player go 5 for 5 or climb the right field wall to make a catch even if the team doesn&#8217;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: SonOfZavaras</title>
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		<dc:creator>SonOfZavaras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said it a couple weeks ago when Dave postulated about an Ichiro trade, and I&#039;ll say it now:

If the right trade for Ichiro materializes, and Ichiro &lt;strong&gt;wants&lt;/strong&gt; to be traded, do it.

If he doesn&#039;t want to be traded and wants to ride with this new wave of players coming, don&#039;t trade him.

But, what Ichiro wants should be the deciding factor.

Normally, I wouldn&#039;t say that- but this is not a rank-and-file major-leaguer, this is a franchise-face that has very legit HoF credentials.

When a guy is in the top 1% of hitters who have ever lived, what he wants for himself should be listened to.

As for the next few weeks, well...rosterbation&#039;s fun and all, but I&#039;ll wait until I&#039;ve formulated some legitimate scenarios before I post them.

I will say ChiSox GM Kenny Williams should look in our direction for Erik Bedard. 

And if the Mariners aren&#039;t involved in at least three trades before the trading deadline that bring young talent back, I&#039;ll be more than mildly disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said it a couple weeks ago when Dave postulated about an Ichiro trade, and I&#8217;ll say it now:</p>
<p>If the right trade for Ichiro materializes, and Ichiro <strong>wants</strong> to be traded, do it.</p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t want to be traded and wants to ride with this new wave of players coming, don&#8217;t trade him.</p>
<p>But, what Ichiro wants should be the deciding factor.</p>
<p>Normally, I wouldn&#8217;t say that- but this is not a rank-and-file major-leaguer, this is a franchise-face that has very legit HoF credentials.</p>
<p>When a guy is in the top 1% of hitters who have ever lived, what he wants for himself should be listened to.</p>
<p>As for the next few weeks, well&#8230;rosterbation&#8217;s fun and all, but I&#8217;ll wait until I&#8217;ve formulated some legitimate scenarios before I post them.</p>
<p>I will say ChiSox GM Kenny Williams should look in our direction for Erik Bedard. </p>
<p>And if the Mariners aren&#8217;t involved in at least three trades before the trading deadline that bring young talent back, I&#8217;ll be more than mildly disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: rcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a comment here about two weeks ago that the M&#039;s would not see 500 again, and that they were done in 2009. They should run up a flag that says &quot;for sale&quot; send the veterans down the road and stock up on younger players.  If they could only get the boat load of young talent shipped to Baltimore in the Bedard trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a comment here about two weeks ago that the M&#8217;s would not see 500 again, and that they were done in 2009. They should run up a flag that says &#8220;for sale&#8221; send the veterans down the road and stock up on younger players.  If they could only get the boat load of young talent shipped to Baltimore in the Bedard trade.</p>
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