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	<title>Comments on: Chavez has a Torn ACL</title>
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		<title>By: Colm</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/06/20/chavez-has-a-torn-acl/comment-page-1/#comment-334591</link>
		<dc:creator>Colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a player who turns 32 before next season, this could be a career-ender. 

Aside from that, it must hurt like hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a player who turns 32 before next season, this could be a career-ender. </p>
<p>Aside from that, it must hurt like hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assigning blame on the Yuni/Endy play is a futile exercise.  Maybe technically one is supposed to call off the other.  But in the heat of the moment in no man&#039;s land, both men&#039;s actions are understandable, and it strikes me as one of those unfortunate accidents that just happens.

As for who to call up... Zduriencik says that he wants to see more from Saunders before electing to calling him up, and given he has all of 295 career PAs in Tacoma coming into tonight (thanks in part to his shoulder injury), that&#039;s understandable.  He&#039;s having a good year but not exactly an Adam Jones of 2007 blow-away &#039;You must call me up&#039; sort of year.

I agree with Jay on Redman.  He gives you only so much, but he could help the team as a 4th OF and is an option... but basically just that.  He&#039;s an option for the starting spot only if you think Wlad can&#039;t hack it, if Griffey&#039;s too much of a defensive liability over his offense to warrant it, if Bryan LaHair isn&#039;t a better option, etc etc.  He&#039;s the NFL playoffs 3rd/4th tiebreaker of LF and/or 4th OF options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assigning blame on the Yuni/Endy play is a futile exercise.  Maybe technically one is supposed to call off the other.  But in the heat of the moment in no man&#8217;s land, both men&#8217;s actions are understandable, and it strikes me as one of those unfortunate accidents that just happens.</p>
<p>As for who to call up&#8230; Zduriencik says that he wants to see more from Saunders before electing to calling him up, and given he has all of 295 career PAs in Tacoma coming into tonight (thanks in part to his shoulder injury), that&#8217;s understandable.  He&#8217;s having a good year but not exactly an Adam Jones of 2007 blow-away &#8216;You must call me up&#8217; sort of year.</p>
<p>I agree with Jay on Redman.  He gives you only so much, but he could help the team as a 4th OF and is an option&#8230; but basically just that.  He&#8217;s an option for the starting spot only if you think Wlad can&#8217;t hack it, if Griffey&#8217;s too much of a defensive liability over his offense to warrant it, if Bryan LaHair isn&#8217;t a better option, etc etc.  He&#8217;s the NFL playoffs 3rd/4th tiebreaker of LF and/or 4th OF options.</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...just thinking how long it took Carlos Guillen to &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; recover from his torn ACL in 1999...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;just thinking how long it took Carlos Guillen to <em>really</em> recover from his torn ACL in 1999&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For a player whose game is speed-reliant, itâ€™s difficult to fully characterize how much this sucks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

my first thought ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For a player whose game is speed-reliant, itâ€™s difficult to fully characterize how much this sucks.</p></blockquote>
<p>my first thought &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on the left field line too! Both players were calling for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the left field line too! Both players were calling for it.</p>
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		<title>By: cdowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasnâ€™t anyoneâ€™s fault.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  I talked to a friend with left-field line season tickets and he could hear Endy screaming for the ball.  If Yuni was paying any goddamned attention and kept his head out of his bum, he would have been nowhere near there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasnâ€™t anyoneâ€™s fault.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  I talked to a friend with left-field line season tickets and he could hear Endy screaming for the ball.  If Yuni was paying any goddamned attention and kept his head out of his bum, he would have been nowhere near there.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasnâ€™t anyoneâ€™s fault.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is a protocol.  Normally the guy going back on the ball defers to the guy coming in on the ball, assuming he was calling for it.  In the replay it certainly looked like Endy was calling for it. He might&#039;ve called late (it&#039;s hard to tell), but hearing that call very close by is all the more reason for Yuni to break off.  This wasn&#039;t like the Cameron-Beltran collision where two outfielders were converging horizontally into the gap.

Yes, it was an accident... but it was a preventable accident.</description>
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Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasnâ€™t anyoneâ€™s fault.
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<p>There is a protocol.  Normally the guy going back on the ball defers to the guy coming in on the ball, assuming he was calling for it.  In the replay it certainly looked like Endy was calling for it. He might&#8217;ve called late (it&#8217;s hard to tell), but hearing that call very close by is all the more reason for Yuni to break off.  This wasn&#8217;t like the Cameron-Beltran collision where two outfielders were converging horizontally into the gap.</p>
<p>Yes, it was an accident&#8230; but it was a preventable accident.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
This makes Yuni about -1 win player automatically right?
Endy is a +1 so far through the season so in the rest of the season we could assume Endy would have been worth about 1 more win.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Betancourt by himself just through playing is worth -1.3 wins so far this year, so that puts him over -2.5 for the season as a whole.  If you assume Endy would be worth another +1, that&#039;s -3.5 Wins.  So Betancourt  (assuming he plays out the year) looks to cancel out the combined contribution of Beltre and Griffey for the entire year.  If they released him now, the damage he&#039;s already done will likely wipe out Gutierrez&#039;s value for the year.

Seriously, Betancourt might very well have curtailed Endy&#039;s &lt;i&gt;career&lt;/i&gt;.  There&#039;s a long list of athletes (starting with USSM fav Chris &quot;Doyle&quot; Snelling) who were diminished by ACL injuries and never regained their potential even when they were able to return to the field.</description>
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This makes Yuni about -1 win player automatically right?<br />
Endy is a +1 so far through the season so in the rest of the season we could assume Endy would have been worth about 1 more win.
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<p>Betancourt by himself just through playing is worth -1.3 wins so far this year, so that puts him over -2.5 for the season as a whole.  If you assume Endy would be worth another +1, that&#8217;s -3.5 Wins.  So Betancourt  (assuming he plays out the year) looks to cancel out the combined contribution of Beltre and Griffey for the entire year.  If they released him now, the damage he&#8217;s already done will likely wipe out Gutierrez&#8217;s value for the year.</p>
<p>Seriously, Betancourt might very well have curtailed Endy&#8217;s <i>career</i>.  There&#8217;s a long list of athletes (starting with USSM fav Chris &#8220;Doyle&#8221; Snelling) who were diminished by ACL injuries and never regained their potential even when they were able to return to the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasn&#039;t anyone&#039;s fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have to blame Yuni for this? It was a crappy accident and I feel awful for Endy but it wasn&#8217;t anyone&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: SCL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we just make Yuni a utility player?  He has the speed (and desire) to catch flies in the outfield.  We can benefit from cutting back his his ABs.  That way we don&#039;t fully give up on him and sink the cost of his contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we just make Yuni a utility player?  He has the speed (and desire) to catch flies in the outfield.  We can benefit from cutting back his his ABs.  That way we don&#8217;t fully give up on him and sink the cost of his contract.</p>
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