USSM Reader Challenge: Lineups

DMZ · July 28, 2009 at 11:57 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Yesterday got me thinking. What’s the worst starting lineup the M’s have fielded
1. This year and
2. During the Bavasi Era

Remnants at the end of the game don’t count. Bonus points for being totally unsuited for the opposing pitcher (say, like last nights) and for fielding horrible defenses.

For #2, I submit this gem, which gets you Vidro at second, Lopez at third, Betancourt at short, and an Ibanez-Ichiro!-Broussard outfield in support of Washburn.

There will be prizes.

Comments

53 Responses to “USSM Reader Challenge: Lineups”

  1. DMZ on July 28th, 2009 12:18 pm

    Sorry, published early. Reset comments.

  2. Luc on July 28th, 2009 12:18 pm

    I believe Derek is referring to whether or not yesterdays 5-6-7 of Hannahan-Johnson-Woodward was the worst ever run out in baseball history. It’s entirely possible. If I knew how to look it up, I’d wager that the ’83 Expos and expansion year Devil Rays were just as bad if not worse. Can anybody prove it?

  3. dsmiley on July 28th, 2009 12:19 pm

    I think it’s more like a “guess today’s lineup” kind of a challenge.

    I think Lopez and Branyan will be back (no pun intended), if only to try and stop the bleeding before Happy(?) Halladay Day.

    My submission:

    Ichiro! RF
    Branyan, 1B
    Lopez, 2B
    Sweeney, DH (vs. lefty pitcher Marc Rzepczynaskyszncdtyashi)
    Gutierrez, CF
    Hannahan, 3B
    Johnson, C (Wash is on the mound)
    Saunders, LF
    Cedeno, SS (JJ Hardy soon? K thx bai)

  4. dsmiley on July 28th, 2009 12:20 pm

    Guess I was wrong.

  5. Carson on July 28th, 2009 12:26 pm

    If I have what would be considered a really bad lineup, but some hack had a lucky three hit day at the plate, do I lose points?

  6. Tek Jansen on July 28th, 2009 12:35 pm

    Here is one from last season’s second to last game. (Technically it falls in the Pelekoudas era).

    I Suzuki RF
    Y Betancourt SS
    R Ibanez LF
    J Lopez 2B
    M Cairo 1B
    W Balentien CF
    K Johjima C
    M Tuiasosopo 3B
    R Johnson DH

    Don’t know if it can beat DMZ’s submission. RR-S was on the mound, and Riggleman decided to put Balentien in CF. Awesome. Of course, he had to hit behind that masher 1B Miguel Cairo. And don’t forget Johnson at DH.

  7. gintzdog on July 28th, 2009 12:35 pm

    Just to get things started…it looks good at the top, then ugh!

    July 18, 2004 vs. Indians

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200407180.shtml

    Ichiro! RF
    Randy Winn CF
    Bret Boone 2B
    Raul Ibanez LF
    Bucky Jacobson DH
    Scott Spiezio 1B
    Justin Leone 3B
    Dan Wilson C
    Willie Bloomquist SS

  8. sass on July 28th, 2009 12:39 pm

    Check this out.

    Beltre at DH, Cairo batting second, playing 3B; Balentien in Center, LaHair at 1B. And pitching for the M’s? Feierabend. Talk about punting defense. Fun stuff.

  9. Colty on July 28th, 2009 12:40 pm

    For this year:

    June 21 vs Arizona

    Ichiro RF
    Woodward 3B
    Carp 1B
    Sweeney DH
    Gutierrez CF
    Balentien LF
    Betancourt SS
    Burke C
    Cedeno 2B

  10. Mousse on July 28th, 2009 12:42 pm

    Hey, Turbo was 3-5 in the game Derek posted!

    That guy was awesome. Ran like the wind, he did.

  11. Carson on July 28th, 2009 12:43 pm

    For #2 I submit this game:

    July 26th 2008 @ Toronto

    M’s Starter: RA Dickey
    Jays Starter: David Purcey

    RF-L Ichiro
    CF-R Bloomquist
    LF-L Ibanez
    3B-R Beltre
    2B-R Lopez
    DH-B Vidro
    1B-R Cairo
    C-R Burke
    SS-R Betancourt

  12. sass on July 28th, 2009 12:46 pm

    Carson, that lineup isn’t too bad, defensively, considering the alternatives. Also, Turbo at 6th…could have been worse.

  13. Robby on July 28th, 2009 12:46 pm

    Not the worst worst, but interesting:
    September 13, 2006

    Ichiro – CF
    Beltre – 3B
    Betancourt – SS
    Ibanez – LF
    Sexson – 1B
    Broussard – DH
    Snelling – RF
    Rivera – C
    Bloomquist – 2B

    Pitching matchup:
    Burnett v. Baek

    Toronto wins 10-0

  14. sass on July 28th, 2009 12:51 pm

    For this year, I might suggest this. Defensively it’s okay, but they ran 7 righties in a row out against James Shields, including Jamie Burke (!) at 1B, and Rob Johnson hitting 6th. They got four hits, and won because Felix rules.

  15. Carson on July 28th, 2009 12:56 pm

    Carson, that lineup isn’t too bad, defensively, considering the alternatives. Also, Turbo at 6th…could have been worse.

    Agreed. I just wanted to submit a lineup that that had all of Turbo, Boom Boom, Cairo, Burke, and Yuni. It’s all I could find.

  16. Red Apple on July 28th, 2009 1:01 pm

    If I have what would be considered a really bad lineup, but some hack had a lucky three hit day at the plate, do I lose points?

    I’d think not, as results based analysis is frowned on here.

    That 7/26/08 lineup is a gem, but if only Vidro had been at cleanup…

  17. jvalentine on July 28th, 2009 1:06 pm

    I see your Ibanez-Ichiro-Brussard Outfield in support of Washburn and raise you a Ibanez-Choo-Ichiro outfield in support of Moyer…

    September 24th, 2005

    I Suzuki RF
    Y Betancourt SS
    R Ibanez LF
    R Sexson 1B
    A Beltre 3B
    G Dobbs DH
    J Lopez 2B
    S Choo CF
    R Rivera C
    J Moyer P

  18. Manzanillos Cup on July 28th, 2009 1:17 pm

    This one may not be the worst, but I like that Bill Haselman is in left and Henry Cotto is our DH. Also note Rich Amaral and his near .275 OBA in the 2-hole, and mid-season signing Lance Parrish at first!

  19. JoeintheClutch on July 28th, 2009 1:18 pm

    I really like this one, from September 19, 2004, against the A’s:

    Ichiro DH-L
    R Winn CF-S
    J Cabrera 3B-R
    B Boone 2B-R
    R Ibanez LF-L
    H Bocachica RF-R
    D Wilson C-R
    J Lopez SS-R
    WF Bloomquist 1B-R

    The A’s started lefty Mark Redman, which neutralized the two lefties in the lineup and made Winn bat from the right side, which he sucked at. None of the righties in this lineup could hit regardless. Plus, you have Ichiro! as the DH, which gives flyball pitcher Bobby Madritsch the lovely outfield of Ibanez-Winn-Bocachica.

  20. Manzanillos Cup on July 28th, 2009 1:19 pm

    OK, mine was not within the scope of the contest. Whoops.

  21. SethGrandpa on July 28th, 2009 1:27 pm

    Darn, jvalentine beat me to mine.

  22. JLP on July 28th, 2009 1:46 pm

    JoeintheClutch,

    Lefties don’t neutralize Ichiro!. He has even platoon splits.

  23. jvalentine on July 28th, 2009 1:46 pm

    SethGrandpa –

    I will share the prize with you if that is a winner!

  24. Breadbaker on July 28th, 2009 1:48 pm

    September 2005 is rich in choices. Let me suggest September 16:

    Ichiro! rf
    Ramon Santiago 2b
    Raul lf
    Richie 1b
    Adrian 3b
    Greg Dobbs dh
    Yuni ss
    Jaime Bubela cf
    Yorvit Torrealba c

    Felix was the pitcher.

  25. marc w on July 28th, 2009 2:06 pm

    From last year, I give you this.

    Bloomquist at SS, Miguel Cairo at 3B, Reed in CF, Burke behind the plate, LaHair at 1B.

    There’s also this beauty from 2005 featuring Morse at SS, Wiki Gonzalez behind the plate, Spiezio DH’ing (ha ha ha), Reed in CF and Bloomquist at 2B.

    This year, I think it might have to be this game which gets you an OF of Wlad/Langerhans/Ichiro supporting Washburn and also featured Sweeney at DH, Cedeno, Johnson, Hannahan. More IF defense, less OF defense. Tough to do both defensively-suspect and no-offense this year.

  26. JI on July 28th, 2009 2:25 pm

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200607080.shtml

    This was a particularly good outfield for a Washburn start.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200809270.shtml

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/OAK/OAK200809190.shtml

    Any lineup where Rob Kohnson DHes, Wlad plays center, and Miguel Cairo hits fifth is worth a look

  27. tkight on July 28th, 2009 2:42 pm

    I’m sticking with this Murder’s Row from June 20, 2009.

    Facing LHP Doug Davis

    Ichiro-RF
    Woodward-3B
    Carp-1B
    Sweeney-DH
    Gutierrez-CF
    Balentien-LF
    Betancourt-SS
    Burke-C
    Cedeno-2B

    With bonus pinch-hitting performances from: Griffey, Rob Johnson

    Living in Indy, it was the only chance I had to get to Safeco this year…and I was greeted with this lineup, and the weirdest walk-off win ever.

  28. tkight on July 28th, 2009 2:44 pm

    Meant June 21…

  29. Mr. G on July 28th, 2009 3:19 pm

    I’ll go with the August 13, 2005 lineup where they get 4-hit by Bartolo Colon and Esteban Yan…

    Ichiro! RF
    Bloomquist 2B
    Ibanez LF
    Sexson 1B
    Beltre 3B
    Reed CF
    Betancourt SS
    Spiezio DH
    Wiki Gonzalez C

  30. CSG on July 28th, 2009 3:26 pm

    Here’s my pick for worst line-up of this season:

    April 9, 2009

    Endy Chavez, LF
    Franklin Gutierrez, CF
    Mike Sweeney, 1B
    Adrian Beltre, DH
    Jose Lopez, 2B
    Wladimir Balentien, RF
    Rob Johnson, C
    Rony Cedeno, 3B
    Yuniesky Betancourt, SS

    If you ran that line-up out for every game of a hypothetical season, how many runs would you score? 500? 550?

  31. joser on July 28th, 2009 3:42 pm

    So many to choose….

  32. joerilla on July 28th, 2009 3:56 pm

    July 10th 2008 @ Oakland featured a strong outfield for SP R.A. Dickey…

    Bloomquist RF
    Lopez 2B
    Ibanez LF
    Beltre 3B
    Vidro DH
    Johjima C
    Cairo 1B
    Reed CF
    Betancourt SS

  33. Kid_A on July 28th, 2009 4:01 pm

    7/28/09 (that’s today!) – Purely for hitting purposes

    Washburn v Rzepcynski

    Ichiro RF
    Franklin Gutierrez CF
    Mike Sweeney DH
    Chris Shelton 1B
    Jack Hannahan 3B
    Rob Johnson C
    Chris Woodward 2B
    Michael Saunders LF
    Ronny Cedeno SS

    Nice to see Shelton, but yikes. . .

  34. CSG on July 28th, 2009 4:03 pm

    For the sake of comparison, the worst offense in Mariner’s history by runs per game was 1983. A typical line-up for the ’83 team would look something like this:

    Steve Henderson, LF, .806 OPS
    Jamie Allen, 3B, .613
    Al Cowens, RF, .584
    Ritchie Zisk, DH, .722
    Dave Henderson, CF, .751
    Pat Putnam, 1B, .773
    Spike Owen, SS, .528
    Rick Sweet, C, .528
    Tony Bernazard, 2B, .744

    The OPS’ for the April 9th line-up: .669, .817, .697, .664, .718, .625, .628, .514, .609.

    I think the ’83 M’s get the nod.

  35. E_Martinez on July 28th, 2009 4:11 pm

    April 13,2008
    Seattle Mariners
    Suzuki cf
    Lopez 2b
    Ibanez lf
    Sexson 1b
    Vidro dh
    Morse rf
    Cairo 3b
    Burke c
    Betancourt ss
    Baek p

    When Ibanez and Morse are your corner outfielders at Spacious Safeco field…with Mr Baek Pitching, its awesome defense….especially with Beltre with the Day off

    Offensively….at the time…Only Ibanez and Lopez were hitting over .260…the rest was pathetic.

  36. Soonerman22 on July 28th, 2009 4:15 pm

    4/25/04

    Ichiro RF
    Spiezio 3b
    Boone 2b
    Martinez DH
    -Q.McCracken PR
    R. Ibanez LF
    -J. Cabrera PH
    Aurilia SS
    Olerud 1B
    Davis C
    R Winn CF

    5 of the guys were hitting below .260
    4 hitting.240 or lower

    Think Batista has been bad lately? R. Franklin gave up 7 runs on 9 hits in 2 2/3 on 1BB 1SO and 1 HR

  37. E_Martinez on July 28th, 2009 4:19 pm

    Aug 13, 2007
    Suzuki cf
    Vidro 2b
    Guillen rf
    Ibanez dh
    Sexson 1b
    Johjima c
    Jones lf
    Betancourt ss
    Bloomquist 3b
    Hernandez p

    On the surface, it doesnt look as bad as it is….
    Vidro and Yuni as your middle infield tandem …with Felix = lots of groundballs……
    To top it off…No Beltre at 3rd…and Richie Sexson is your infield highlight defensively.

    Any game with Vidro starting at 2B is “dreamy”

  38. tmac9311 on July 28th, 2009 4:28 pm

    How about April 12th from this year

    Chavez LF
    D.T.F.T. CF
    Griffey RF
    Beltre 3B
    Branyan 1B
    Sweeney DH
    Jopez 2B
    Johnson C
    Cedeno SS

  39. DMZ on July 28th, 2009 4:36 pm

    We need to come up with a scoring system. Like
    +2 per truly horrible fielder (Griffey, Vidro at 2nd)
    -2 per truly great fielder (Beltre, Ichiro, Gutierrez)
    +1 per truly horrible infielder for GB pitchers
    +1 per truly horrible outfielder for FB pitchers
    +3 per totally hopeless hitter in the lineup

  40. JI on July 28th, 2009 4:44 pm

    Eh, It should be easy to calculate the win value of each lineup, right?

  41. DMZ on July 28th, 2009 4:45 pm

    Thanks for volunteering! Everyone, JI here is in charge of judging.

  42. lurking jays fan on July 28th, 2009 4:55 pm

    July 10, 2004:

    Winn, CF
    JCabrera, 1B
    BBoone, 2B
    Martinez, DH
    Ibanez, LF
    Leone, 3B
    Bocachica, RF
    Borders, C
    Bloomquist, SS

    Thornton was starting against Mark Buehrle.

  43. Mayberry RFD on July 28th, 2009 4:55 pm

    July 22 2005

    I Suzuki RF
    R Winn LF
    R Ibanez DH
    R Sexson 1B
    A Beltre 3B
    J Reed CF
    M Morse SS
    S Spiezio 2B
    P Borders C

    Infields don’t get much worse than that

  44. JI on July 28th, 2009 5:32 pm

    Make Dave do it. What does he even do anymore?

  45. DMZ on July 28th, 2009 5:42 pm

    You’re thinking of me. Dave is the busy awesome one.

  46. GTownHoyas on July 28th, 2009 5:44 pm

    For this year:

    July 28,2009

    Ichiro RF
    Franklin Gutierrez CF
    Mike Sweeney DH
    Chris Shelton 1B
    Jack Hannahan 3B
    Rob Johnson C
    Chris Woodward 2B
    Michael Saunders LF
    Ronny Cedeno SS

  47. niterunner on July 28th, 2009 6:00 pm

    For #2, June 16th at the Brewers when Ichiro was batting 3rd.

    R Winn LF
    R Aurilia SS
    Ichiro RF
    B Boone 2B
    J Olerud 1B
    H Bocachica CF
    W Bloomquist 3B
    P Borders C
    C Nageotte P

  48. niterunner on July 28th, 2009 6:06 pm

    This year, April 23rd vs. Tampa Bay

    Ichiro RF
    E Chavez LF
    J Lopez 2B
    A Beltre 3B
    W Balentien DH
    R Johnson C
    F Gutierrez CF
    Y Betancourt SS
    J Burke 1B

  49. niterunner on July 28th, 2009 6:07 pm

    Sorry, for #2 was June 16th, 2004.

  50. JI on July 28th, 2009 6:45 pm

    @DMZ

    I was joking. You’ll get no argument from me.

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