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		<title>By: hbobrien</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/07/31/luke-french/comment-page-2/#comment-344778</link>
		<dc:creator>hbobrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How many championships do the yankees have?&lt;/i&gt;

In the 21st century?  Just as many as Seattle -- zero.

They do have a rich history, though.  They&#039;ve lost the World Series an MLB-leading 13 times.

Or, put another way: You can come up with a list of &quot;The Ten Best World Series EVER!!!&quot; -- and in every single one, the Yankees lose.

(...and I&#039;m not sure that&#039;d be factually incorrect.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many championships do the yankees have?</i></p>
<p>In the 21st century?  Just as many as Seattle &#8212; zero.</p>
<p>They do have a rich history, though.  They&#8217;ve lost the World Series an MLB-leading 13 times.</p>
<p>Or, put another way: You can come up with a list of &#8220;The Ten Best World Series EVER!!!&#8221; &#8212; and in every single one, the Yankees lose.</p>
<p>(&#8230;and I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;d be factually incorrect.)</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the difference between fans and a (good) GM is the difference between hot-blooded, never-say-die optimism and cold-hearted, eye-on-the-numbers realism.

You&#039;re not much of a fan if you don&#039;t think the team still has a chance almost until the end; you&#039;re not much of a GM if act as if that was true.  One operates in spite of the evidence, the other operates in light of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the difference between fans and a (good) GM is the difference between hot-blooded, never-say-die optimism and cold-hearted, eye-on-the-numbers realism.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not much of a fan if you don&#8217;t think the team still has a chance almost until the end; you&#8217;re not much of a GM if act as if that was true.  One operates in spite of the evidence, the other operates in light of it.</p>
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		<title>By: jmb13</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmb13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^typos due to it being difficult to revise on the new iPhone interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^typos due to it being difficult to revise on the new iPhone interface.</p>
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		<title>By: jmb13</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/07/31/luke-french/comment-page-2/#comment-344392</link>
		<dc:creator>jmb13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old teenage me would have been pissed off we traded Wash, and still graspng onto the hopes of making the playoff this season. The current 21 year old me couldn&#039;t be happier we at least got something in return. We definitely aren&#039;t contending this year and probably won&#039;t next year, but the minor and young major league talent and depth Jack has acquired in his first months here is extraordinary. I won&#039;t speak for everyone, but some people seem, even while realizing the progress the new admin has made, that it has taken an extremely short time to make a huge amount of progress. While some of these moves won&#039;t pay dividends, the ones that do will be worth &quot;giving up&quot; on this year and having to possibly endure another (re-) building season next year. 

And a side note, I&#039;ve always wanted the Mariners to field one of those teams like the old Marlins and &#039;07 Rays that were full of a bunch of unknown names (to the casual fan) that then goes on to shock the baseball world. Those teams prove that names aren&#039;t what matters, it&#039;s talent and baseball business acumen. We seem to be quickly building up on both.

And please will one of the admins tell everyone to punctuate quotes like this:&lt;strong&gt; .&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;and not this:&lt;strong&gt; &quot;. &lt;/strong&gt;Don&#039;t know if that bothers anyone else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old teenage me would have been pissed off we traded Wash, and still graspng onto the hopes of making the playoff this season. The current 21 year old me couldn&#8217;t be happier we at least got something in return. We definitely aren&#8217;t contending this year and probably won&#8217;t next year, but the minor and young major league talent and depth Jack has acquired in his first months here is extraordinary. I won&#8217;t speak for everyone, but some people seem, even while realizing the progress the new admin has made, that it has taken an extremely short time to make a huge amount of progress. While some of these moves won&#8217;t pay dividends, the ones that do will be worth &#8220;giving up&#8221; on this year and having to possibly endure another (re-) building season next year. </p>
<p>And a side note, I&#8217;ve always wanted the Mariners to field one of those teams like the old Marlins and &#8217;07 Rays that were full of a bunch of unknown names (to the casual fan) that then goes on to shock the baseball world. Those teams prove that names aren&#8217;t what matters, it&#8217;s talent and baseball business acumen. We seem to be quickly building up on both.</p>
<p>And please will one of the admins tell everyone to punctuate quotes like this:<strong> .&#8221; </strong>and not this:<strong> &#8220;. </strong>Don&#8217;t know if that bothers anyone else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TranquilPsychosis</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/07/31/luke-french/comment-page-2/#comment-344357</link>
		<dc:creator>TranquilPsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And I know that most of you are sick and tired of watching Garrett Olson take the mound&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 I&#039;ve started referring to him as &quot;the hemorrhage&quot; as he seem to hemorrhage runs every time he takes the mound. 

 Here&#039;s hoping that French isn&#039;t quite as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I know that most of you are sick and tired of watching Garrett Olson take the mound</p></blockquote>
<p> I&#8217;ve started referring to him as &#8220;the hemorrhage&#8221; as he seem to hemorrhage runs every time he takes the mound. </p>
<p> Here&#8217;s hoping that French isn&#8217;t quite as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Heâ€™s an innings eater, but nobody â€” not even Detroit â€” mistakes him for an ace &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lynn Herring from Detroit said much the same things as Joser above; that Wash is the classic rental; Detroit got him just so they didn&#039;t have to rely heavily on French &amp; Porcello in the last months, and that theyâ€™ll have no interest in re-signing him, as next year they will have better, cheaper options for the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Heâ€™s an innings eater, but nobody â€” not even Detroit â€” mistakes him for an ace </p></blockquote>
<p>Lynn Herring from Detroit said much the same things as Joser above; that Wash is the classic rental; Detroit got him just so they didn&#8217;t have to rely heavily on French &amp; Porcello in the last months, and that theyâ€™ll have no interest in re-signing him, as next year they will have better, cheaper options for the rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: lokiforever</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMHawkins - you can add to that list Jeff Weaver and Horatio Rameriz - Experienced, previously successful pitchers that cost a lot in $&#039;s or players or both to acquire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMHawkins &#8211; you can add to that list Jeff Weaver and Horatio Rameriz &#8211; Experienced, previously successful pitchers that cost a lot in $&#8217;s or players or both to acquire.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottdids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottdids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Silva already ate the side of beef.</description>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silva can be bought out for about $31M, ie the remaining value of his contract.  He would then be free to go and pitch elsewhere (and the M&#039;s would get about $400K off for each year that he does).  Though it&#039;s hard to believe, I&#039;m sure some team would give him a shot if it just cost them the pro-rated league minimum.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
When asked what his philosophy was he said â€œobtaining talent.â€
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I started to laugh at the amusing obviousness of that and then stopped when I realized how much trouble Bavasi had with it.

Does it seem like this trade deadline was more active than past years?  I&#039;m not just talking about he M&#039;s, which was obviously spectacularly active vs some other summers, but just all around the league -- you have a Cy Young winner switching teams, the Pirates selling off everybody (and the Indians coming close), Boston flipping backup first base men and acquiring a catcher, a lot of interesting moves by teams as diverse as the Dodgers and the Twins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silva can be bought out for about $31M, ie the remaining value of his contract.  He would then be free to go and pitch elsewhere (and the M&#8217;s would get about $400K off for each year that he does).  Though it&#8217;s hard to believe, I&#8217;m sure some team would give him a shot if it just cost them the pro-rated league minimum.</p>
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When asked what his philosophy was he said â€œobtaining talent.â€
</p></blockquote>
<p>I started to laugh at the amusing obviousness of that and then stopped when I realized how much trouble Bavasi had with it.</p>
<p>Does it seem like this trade deadline was more active than past years?  I&#8217;m not just talking about he M&#8217;s, which was obviously spectacularly active vs some other summers, but just all around the league &#8212; you have a Cy Young winner switching teams, the Pirates selling off everybody (and the Indians coming close), Boston flipping backup first base men and acquiring a catcher, a lot of interesting moves by teams as diverse as the Dodgers and the Twins.</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of talk about how, after Felix, we just have a bunch of prospects for the rest of the rotation (Snell, French, RRS, Olson, Vargas, Morrow).  It made me think about the following.  Over the last few years, the M&#039;s have acquired, either through expensive FA contracts or trades costing very good players, four experienced starting pitchers: Washburn, Batista, Silva and Bedard.

Bedard has spent half his time on the DL.  Batista gave us one decent season then fell apart and is in the bullpen reminded us of guys named Ayala and Slocumb.  Silva gave us one good month and then, well, best not to speak of what came next.  Washburn is having a good year, but to get that good year we first had to go through three years of mediocre-at-best performance paid for at ace pitcher rates.  

Starting Pitchers have high attrition rates.  Prospects, vetrans, journeymen, they all have high attrition rates.  Stacking up a bunch of &quot;maybe&quot; guys seems like a good strategy.  Some will flame out, some will come through, but by getting them cheap, we can afford to get enough of them that the odds are we&#039;ll get some quality arms in the rotation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of talk about how, after Felix, we just have a bunch of prospects for the rest of the rotation (Snell, French, RRS, Olson, Vargas, Morrow).  It made me think about the following.  Over the last few years, the M&#8217;s have acquired, either through expensive FA contracts or trades costing very good players, four experienced starting pitchers: Washburn, Batista, Silva and Bedard.</p>
<p>Bedard has spent half his time on the DL.  Batista gave us one decent season then fell apart and is in the bullpen reminded us of guys named Ayala and Slocumb.  Silva gave us one good month and then, well, best not to speak of what came next.  Washburn is having a good year, but to get that good year we first had to go through three years of mediocre-at-best performance paid for at ace pitcher rates.  </p>
<p>Starting Pitchers have high attrition rates.  Prospects, vetrans, journeymen, they all have high attrition rates.  Stacking up a bunch of &#8220;maybe&#8221; guys seems like a good strategy.  Some will flame out, some will come through, but by getting them cheap, we can afford to get enough of them that the odds are we&#8217;ll get some quality arms in the rotation.</p>
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