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		<title>By: Matt the Dragon</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/08/04/jack-hannahan-middle-infielder/comment-page-2/#comment-345041</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt the Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;assuming that Hannahan was a shortstop when he came out of the University of Minnesota (which I donâ€™t know if he was).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hannahan played third at college with Scott Welch - briefly of Spokane - playing beside him at short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>assuming that Hannahan was a shortstop when he came out of the University of Minnesota (which I donâ€™t know if he was).</p></blockquote>
<p>Hannahan played third at college with Scott Welch &#8211; briefly of Spokane &#8211; playing beside him at short.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I disagree with the overall premise, because I think Hannahan has most of what he needs to be a decent hitter, but you can&#039;t just pick and choose his hot stretches and use them as evidence that he&#039;s better than his numbers. Hannahan has 900 PAs of poor hitting in the bigs, and 1300 PAs of okay in AAA. Pointing to his solid partial season with the A&#039;s in 2007 (supported by a .363 BABIP) is like saying Raul Ibanez is a decent ML fielder because he has a good 2009 UZR.

I like his approach, and I like most of his skillset, but Ronny Cedeno had the same argument in his favor as well, and, uh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I disagree with the overall premise, because I think Hannahan has most of what he needs to be a decent hitter, but you can&#8217;t just pick and choose his hot stretches and use them as evidence that he&#8217;s better than his numbers. Hannahan has 900 PAs of poor hitting in the bigs, and 1300 PAs of okay in AAA. Pointing to his solid partial season with the A&#8217;s in 2007 (supported by a .363 BABIP) is like saying Raul Ibanez is a decent ML fielder because he has a good 2009 UZR.</p>
<p>I like his approach, and I like most of his skillset, but Ronny Cedeno had the same argument in his favor as well, and, uh</p>
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		<title>By: tmac9311</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmac9311</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How soon before we can put him in there? When does Lopez or Wilson need a day off? I got to watch when he plays, along with not missing any more Ian Snell starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon before we can put him in there? When does Lopez or Wilson need a day off? I got to watch when he plays, along with not missing any more Ian Snell starts.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes it just takes a while for a guy to hit.

Raul Ibanez through age 28: .241/.295/.383
Jose Guillen through age 27 (2000 PAs): .260/.305 /.398 
Mark McLemore through age 26 (about 1000 PAs): .225/.295/.289

Rich Amaral would be another example- he didn&#039;t start hitting until he was pushing 30 in AAA, and then turned into an OK bench player.

I tend to think these are best case scenarios for Hannahan&#039;s offensive development, but it&#039;s worth a shot, and his defense is good enough that if he turns into a .250/.320/.400 hitter (well under Mark DeRosa&#039;s career numbers), he&#039;d be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it just takes a while for a guy to hit.</p>
<p>Raul Ibanez through age 28: .241/.295/.383<br />
Jose Guillen through age 27 (2000 PAs): .260/.305 /.398<br />
Mark McLemore through age 26 (about 1000 PAs): .225/.295/.289</p>
<p>Rich Amaral would be another example- he didn&#8217;t start hitting until he was pushing 30 in AAA, and then turned into an OK bench player.</p>
<p>I tend to think these are best case scenarios for Hannahan&#8217;s offensive development, but it&#8217;s worth a shot, and his defense is good enough that if he turns into a .250/.320/.400 hitter (well under Mark DeRosa&#8217;s career numbers), he&#8217;d be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: wescottr</title>
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		<dc:creator>wescottr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mariner&#039;s activate Beltre and DFA Chris Woodward.  Looks like they agree with the value of Jack as a Backup Middle infielder.  Impressed that they made this move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mariner&#8217;s activate Beltre and DFA Chris Woodward.  Looks like they agree with the value of Jack as a Backup Middle infielder.  Impressed that they made this move.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but you canâ€™t pretend that he hasnâ€™t had solid stretches of good hitting at the major league level.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not. And again, I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s totally impossible he&#039;s a little better than what he&#039;s shown so far. I also never said he&#039;s been consistently bad. He just hasn&#039;t been-- and won&#039;t be in my humble opinion-- significantly better than your average utility player offensively. 

It&#039;s also worth noting that the &quot;miserable&quot; season he had in &#039;08 was the only time he&#039;s gotten even semi-regular playing time. Coincidence, or were his weaknesses as a hitter just being exposed?

I&#039;m not disagreeing with your overall sentiment Dave. I think Hannahan is a useful player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but you canâ€™t pretend that he hasnâ€™t had solid stretches of good hitting at the major league level.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not. And again, I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s totally impossible he&#8217;s a little better than what he&#8217;s shown so far. I also never said he&#8217;s been consistently bad. He just hasn&#8217;t been&#8211; and won&#8217;t be in my humble opinion&#8211; significantly better than your average utility player offensively. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that the &#8220;miserable&#8221; season he had in &#8217;08 was the only time he&#8217;s gotten even semi-regular playing time. Coincidence, or were his weaknesses as a hitter just being exposed?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disagreeing with your overall sentiment Dave. I think Hannahan is a useful player.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not like he&#039;s been consistently bad in the majors.  He was an average bat for the A&#039;s in &#039;07, and he&#039;s been an average bat for us since the trade.  He just had a miserable 2008 season, but you can&#039;t pretend that he hasn&#039;t had solid stretches of good hitting at the major league level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s been consistently bad in the majors.  He was an average bat for the A&#8217;s in &#8217;07, and he&#8217;s been an average bat for us since the trade.  He just had a miserable 2008 season, but you can&#8217;t pretend that he hasn&#8217;t had solid stretches of good hitting at the major league level.</p>
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		<title>By: jld</title>
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		<dc:creator>jld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;900 plate appearances. He also posted a .403 wOBA in Triple-A in 2007. Thereâ€™s more offensive ability there than you think.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure, but does that mean that the 417 plate appearances he accumulated in &#039;07-- when he was a 27 year old playing in AAA-- mean more than the 900 or so he&#039;s struggled in the majors? 

I&#039;m not saying there&#039;s absolutely no chance he&#039;s a little better of a hitter than what we&#039;ve seen from him, but at the same time I feel like if that were the case, me might have already seen some of that. And even if he is a little better than a .298 wOBA hitter, is he that so much better that you could call him &quot;significantly&quot; better than your average utility player? Especially while he&#039;s playing in the AL, in a tough hitting environment? 

No one can take away from his defensive abilities, and I agree that he could make a good 10th guy if he proves himself in the middle infield. But 417 PA two years ago in AAA isn&#039;t enough to convince me the past 900 in the majors are less indicative of his abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>900 plate appearances. He also posted a .403 wOBA in Triple-A in 2007. Thereâ€™s more offensive ability there than you think.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, but does that mean that the 417 plate appearances he accumulated in &#8217;07&#8211; when he was a 27 year old playing in AAA&#8211; mean more than the 900 or so he&#8217;s struggled in the majors? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying there&#8217;s absolutely no chance he&#8217;s a little better of a hitter than what we&#8217;ve seen from him, but at the same time I feel like if that were the case, me might have already seen some of that. And even if he is a little better than a .298 wOBA hitter, is he that so much better that you could call him &#8220;significantly&#8221; better than your average utility player? Especially while he&#8217;s playing in the AL, in a tough hitting environment? </p>
<p>No one can take away from his defensive abilities, and I agree that he could make a good 10th guy if he proves himself in the middle infield. But 417 PA two years ago in AAA isn&#8217;t enough to convince me the past 900 in the majors are less indicative of his abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: robbbbbb</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbbbbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: The update.  Given that this season is lost, there&#039;s really no significant penalty to letting Hannahan work on his defensive skills at the big league level.  Right?

The downside?  He doesn&#039;t get as much actual playing time at SS/2B.  The upside?  He gets to stay on a major league roster, which makes any player happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: The update.  Given that this season is lost, there&#8217;s really no significant penalty to letting Hannahan work on his defensive skills at the big league level.  Right?</p>
<p>The downside?  He doesn&#8217;t get as much actual playing time at SS/2B.  The upside?  He gets to stay on a major league roster, which makes any player happy.</p>
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