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	<title>Comments on: Show Something Soon, Ian</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was also reported that he jammed his wrist fielding the bunt in the fifth, so another reason to be cautious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was also reported that he jammed his wrist fielding the bunt in the fifth, so another reason to be cautious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being September, Wak has a lot of arms in the pen that need to be tested out so I have no problem with Snell being taken out after 6.  It might have also been to avoid any chance of Snell falling apart and ruining his fragile mental state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being September, Wak has a lot of arms in the pen that need to be tested out so I have no problem with Snell being taken out after 6.  It might have also been to avoid any chance of Snell falling apart and ruining his fragile mental state.</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, only one wobbly inning didn&#039;t seem too terribly bad to me.  Too bad Wak -- who I haven&#039;t criticized too much this year, BTW -- had so little faith in him after only eighty-some pitches that he chose not to let him go out for the seventh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, only one wobbly inning didn&#8217;t seem too terribly bad to me.  Too bad Wak &#8212; who I haven&#8217;t criticized too much this year, BTW &#8212; had so little faith in him after only eighty-some pitches that he chose not to let him go out for the seventh.</p>
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		<title>By: kenshabby</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenshabby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 05:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So did he show something tonight? I suppose it was one of his best performances as a Mariner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So did he show something tonight? I suppose it was one of his best performances as a Mariner.</p>
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		<title>By: cdowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ian&#039;s mechanics

My own toe land was very similar to Ian&#039;s when I pitched, but my early control issues didn&#039;t seem to stem from that. In fact, when my coach and I tried to correct the toe, my control only got worse. 

We ultimately changed two things: we dropped where my hands were through most of my windup, and dropped my arm slot a bit (from a Pineiro-like high slot to more of a middle-low slot). When we did that, my control synched in real quick, and my breaking pitches (a slider and a forkball) picked up a bit more bite, too. My toe land stayed pretty much the same as it had been before.

My coach made a similar adjustment with another one of our pitchers, and he went on to ultimately get drafted by (ironically) the Pirates before he went to college and converted into a center fielder.

Haven&#039;t seen enough of Ian to know if that kind of mechanical adjustment could help him at all, but it is at least an indicator that the toe may not be the root of the problem at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ian&#8217;s mechanics</p>
<p>My own toe land was very similar to Ian&#8217;s when I pitched, but my early control issues didn&#8217;t seem to stem from that. In fact, when my coach and I tried to correct the toe, my control only got worse. </p>
<p>We ultimately changed two things: we dropped where my hands were through most of my windup, and dropped my arm slot a bit (from a Pineiro-like high slot to more of a middle-low slot). When we did that, my control synched in real quick, and my breaking pitches (a slider and a forkball) picked up a bit more bite, too. My toe land stayed pretty much the same as it had been before.</p>
<p>My coach made a similar adjustment with another one of our pitchers, and he went on to ultimately get drafted by (ironically) the Pirates before he went to college and converted into a center fielder.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen enough of Ian to know if that kind of mechanical adjustment could help him at all, but it is at least an indicator that the toe may not be the root of the problem at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottdids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scottdids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bat guano, that Yankees game was when the bullpen was burned out from the night before (that could have been the 15th inning 1-0 win over the White Sox).

Snell, the announcing team said, was told to throw fastballs and get as deep into the game as possible because he was out there for 100 pitches no matter what.  And the Yankees, predictably, teed off on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bat guano, that Yankees game was when the bullpen was burned out from the night before (that could have been the 15th inning 1-0 win over the White Sox).</p>
<p>Snell, the announcing team said, was told to throw fastballs and get as deep into the game as possible because he was out there for 100 pitches no matter what.  And the Yankees, predictably, teed off on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Livengood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Livengood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also say that the reverse is also sometimes true.  Anybody here old enough to remember Roy Thomas?  I couldn&#039;t find a single illustrative picture, but that guy was so bow-legged, with feet splayed outward, that if you had asked him to stop his toe when pointing toward first, instead of basically at at 45-degree angle toward FIRST, his hips would remain closed and he wouldn&#039;t have been able to throw strikes.

Everybody is a little different, and the relationship of their natural foot position to their hips will say a LOT about where their most natural landing position will be.  Too many pitching coaches want everybody to do the same thing, and to &quot;look right,&quot; when all they are doing is asking a pitcher to fight his natural body structures and position.

I haven&#039;t watched Snell closely enough to know, but I&#039;d guess he&#039;s pretty pidgeon-toed.  I&#039;d agree that &lt;em&gt;for most people&lt;/em&gt; you want your foot/toe to be mostly pointed toward home (actually just a tad short to the 3B side of right toward home), but I am skeptical of ANY coach who stresses that as a hard and fast rule.  If a pitcher is failing to do that and his momentum is not heading mostly toward home, that&#039;s a problem, especially if he&#039;s landing on his heel as well.  However, not having your foot where it is &quot;supposed to be&quot; doesn&#039;t always mean that you are too open or too closed or that your momentum is not being optimized.  That is mostly a function of body structure, which is going to be slightly different for everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also say that the reverse is also sometimes true.  Anybody here old enough to remember Roy Thomas?  I couldn&#8217;t find a single illustrative picture, but that guy was so bow-legged, with feet splayed outward, that if you had asked him to stop his toe when pointing toward first, instead of basically at at 45-degree angle toward FIRST, his hips would remain closed and he wouldn&#8217;t have been able to throw strikes.</p>
<p>Everybody is a little different, and the relationship of their natural foot position to their hips will say a LOT about where their most natural landing position will be.  Too many pitching coaches want everybody to do the same thing, and to &#8220;look right,&#8221; when all they are doing is asking a pitcher to fight his natural body structures and position.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched Snell closely enough to know, but I&#8217;d guess he&#8217;s pretty pidgeon-toed.  I&#8217;d agree that <em>for most people</em> you want your foot/toe to be mostly pointed toward home (actually just a tad short to the 3B side of right toward home), but I am skeptical of ANY coach who stresses that as a hard and fast rule.  If a pitcher is failing to do that and his momentum is not heading mostly toward home, that&#8217;s a problem, especially if he&#8217;s landing on his heel as well.  However, not having your foot where it is &#8220;supposed to be&#8221; doesn&#8217;t always mean that you are too open or too closed or that your momentum is not being optimized.  That is mostly a function of body structure, which is going to be slightly different for everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at it this way, would you rather have him struggle like this now when we are .500 or have him struggle in a pennant race?

I will wait until April-May of next year before giving my judgment about a guy who is still learning how to pitch to A.L. lineups and isn&#039;t getting paid $13.5 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at it this way, would you rather have him struggle like this now when we are .500 or have him struggle in a pennant race?</p>
<p>I will wait until April-May of next year before giving my judgment about a guy who is still learning how to pitch to A.L. lineups and isn&#8217;t getting paid $13.5 million.</p>
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		<title>By: bat guano</title>
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		<dc:creator>bat guano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sitting behind homeplate at the game where he got lit up by the Yankees and it seemed to me that the biggest problem was pitch selection. His slider looked great, but he was throwing mostly fastballs that were getting pasted. I don&#039;t know whether they were calling for the fastball because he can&#039;t get his breaking stuff over, but the breaking stuff was pretty nasty. If he&#039;s going to be successful, it seems to me that he has to live or die with his best stuff and that means using the slider for his out pitch and keeping the fastball off the middle of the plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sitting behind homeplate at the game where he got lit up by the Yankees and it seemed to me that the biggest problem was pitch selection. His slider looked great, but he was throwing mostly fastballs that were getting pasted. I don&#8217;t know whether they were calling for the fastball because he can&#8217;t get his breaking stuff over, but the breaking stuff was pretty nasty. If he&#8217;s going to be successful, it seems to me that he has to live or die with his best stuff and that means using the slider for his out pitch and keeping the fastball off the middle of the plate.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And the conclusion isâ€¦I donâ€™t think we can tell. Most of where your toe lands is a function of your body structure. Some pitchers are just so pidgeon-toed that if they tried to land â€œstraightâ€ the way we think he â€œshould,â€ his hips would be far too open. Thatâ€™s the issue here â€“ is he too closed at release? Despite the toe, it doesnâ€™t look like it to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was thinking along the same lines, as I&#039;ve noticed this when trying to get the kids to land their toe straight.

I&#039;ve only been coaching a few years, though, so I&#039;m far from an expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And the conclusion isâ€¦I donâ€™t think we can tell. Most of where your toe lands is a function of your body structure. Some pitchers are just so pidgeon-toed that if they tried to land â€œstraightâ€ the way we think he â€œshould,â€ his hips would be far too open. Thatâ€™s the issue here â€“ is he too closed at release? Despite the toe, it doesnâ€™t look like it to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was thinking along the same lines, as I&#8217;ve noticed this when trying to get the kids to land their toe straight.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been coaching a few years, though, so I&#8217;m far from an expert.</p>
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