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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/10/08/sorry-jason-we-dont-want-you/comment-page-2/#comment-356607</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave (or someone else at USSM), please link to this entry again so maybe Z (or one of the other local papers) will pick it up.

Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave (or someone else at USSM), please link to this entry again so maybe Z (or one of the other local papers) will pick it up.</p>
<p>Thanks <img src='http://www.ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TranquilPsychosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranquilPsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I like the idea of JJ playing in the middle for us, but we had a chance to get him at the deadline and didntâ€¦.makes you wonder why!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 Exactly! It is very curious that the front office wouldn&#039;t trade valuable assets, during a season in which they weren&#039;t going to contend, for a player that wasn&#039;t going to get them there anyway. Fire them all dammit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like the idea of JJ playing in the middle for us, but we had a chance to get him at the deadline and didntâ€¦.makes you wonder why!</p></blockquote>
<p> Exactly! It is very curious that the front office wouldn&#8217;t trade valuable assets, during a season in which they weren&#8217;t going to contend, for a player that wasn&#8217;t going to get them there anyway. Fire them all dammit!</p>
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		<title>By: djtizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>djtizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of JJ playing in the middle for us, but we had a chance to get him at the deadline and didnt....makes you wonder why! Morrows value as a player with A+ potential is too much for Hardy I think. If they are gonna make a move like that why not ask for Escobar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of JJ playing in the middle for us, but we had a chance to get him at the deadline and didnt&#8230;.makes you wonder why! Morrows value as a player with A+ potential is too much for Hardy I think. If they are gonna make a move like that why not ask for Escobar?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, sorry for the bquote error.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam B.</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/10/08/sorry-jason-we-dont-want-you/comment-page-2/#comment-353200</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I like that idea Adam. But, lets just speculate for a minute that J.J. Hardy could be had for a decent price or low price, something reasonable.&lt;blockquote&gt;

Well he can definitely be had; For what is up to Doug Melvin and the market.  
I could see something like Brandon Morrow for Hardy working out for both teams. 
Whether that would work is up to teams like Boston and Toronto who are also desperate for a shortstop. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why not use him and Wilson in the infield. Shift Lopez to first and use Tui at third.&lt;blockquote&gt;

Well for a few reasons I can think of.

First, moving Lopez to first turns an above-average second base bat into a below average first base one.

Secondly, most of Wilsons value is tied into his defense at Shortstop. Putting him at second diminishes his value while still exposing his weak bat in the starting line-up.

Finally Matt Tuiasosopo is not a bat the Mariners need to force into the line-up at this point.  
He certainly has shown promise, and his offensive ceiling has some potential, but Tui is someone you settle for right now, not someone you pencil in at the beginning of the season.

I agree with you that Branyan should probably be a DH from here on out, but wasting such an easy to fill offensive slot while negating Jose&#039;s trade value is not the way to do it.

As for J.J. Hardy, the Brewers have basically said he&#039;s available, they have no reason to retain someone earning $4.5M a year while an excellent replacement stews in AAA and they have to start paying Prince Fielder a ransom.

As for his value, I&#039;d be willing to bet something like Brandon Morrow that J.J&#039;s value is a little closer to his previous three years then it is to his last year.  It&#039;s not fool-proof, but it&#039;s the kind of gamble this team needs to take.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like that idea Adam. But, lets just speculate for a minute that J.J. Hardy could be had for a decent price or low price, something reasonable.<br />
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<p>Well he can definitely be had; For what is up to Doug Melvin and the market.<br />
I could see something like Brandon Morrow for Hardy working out for both teams.<br />
Whether that would work is up to teams like Boston and Toronto who are also desperate for a shortstop. </p>
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<p>Why not use him and Wilson in the infield. Shift Lopez to first and use Tui at third.<br />
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<p>Well for a few reasons I can think of.</p>
<p>First, moving Lopez to first turns an above-average second base bat into a below average first base one.</p>
<p>Secondly, most of Wilsons value is tied into his defense at Shortstop. Putting him at second diminishes his value while still exposing his weak bat in the starting line-up.</p>
<p>Finally Matt Tuiasosopo is not a bat the Mariners need to force into the line-up at this point.<br />
He certainly has shown promise, and his offensive ceiling has some potential, but Tui is someone you settle for right now, not someone you pencil in at the beginning of the season.</p>
<p>I agree with you that Branyan should probably be a DH from here on out, but wasting such an easy to fill offensive slot while negating Jose&#8217;s trade value is not the way to do it.</p>
<p>As for J.J. Hardy, the Brewers have basically said he&#8217;s available, they have no reason to retain someone earning $4.5M a year while an excellent replacement stews in AAA and they have to start paying Prince Fielder a ransom.</p>
<p>As for his value, I&#8217;d be willing to bet something like Brandon Morrow that J.J&#8217;s value is a little closer to his previous three years then it is to his last year.  It&#8217;s not fool-proof, but it&#8217;s the kind of gamble this team needs to take.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: djtizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>djtizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya thats horrible, not worth it at all! I do agree that Bay is not a fit here at all with what we&#039;re trying to do, totally. Just wanted to shake things up a bit and consider every possible advantage and disadvantage. I mean, I like Saunders as much as the next M&#039;s fan, but Im not delusional! Bay is a better hitter than him any day!

At least for now....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya thats horrible, not worth it at all! I do agree that Bay is not a fit here at all with what we&#8217;re trying to do, totally. Just wanted to shake things up a bit and consider every possible advantage and disadvantage. I mean, I like Saunders as much as the next M&#8217;s fan, but Im not delusional! Bay is a better hitter than him any day!</p>
<p>At least for now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: rmac1973</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmac1973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>djtizzo,

The trouble with Jason Bay isn&#039;t his bat.  It&#039;s widely recognized that he can hit well.  He&#039;s capable of pushing the ball, also, so Safe&#039;s effects on RHB&#039;s would be slightly reduced.

Regardless of his offensive capabilities, however, his defense would negate most of the benefit his offense would create.  Fercrissakes, he was a -20 (+/1) run LF for the Sox while playing half his games in Fenway.  If that doesn&#039;t scare away a guy that values defense as highly as GMZ values defense, then I don&#039;t know what will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djtizzo,</p>
<p>The trouble with Jason Bay isn&#8217;t his bat.  It&#8217;s widely recognized that he can hit well.  He&#8217;s capable of pushing the ball, also, so Safe&#8217;s effects on RHB&#8217;s would be slightly reduced.</p>
<p>Regardless of his offensive capabilities, however, his defense would negate most of the benefit his offense would create.  Fercrissakes, he was a -20 (+/1) run LF for the Sox while playing half his games in Fenway.  If that doesn&#8217;t scare away a guy that values defense as highly as GMZ values defense, then I don&#8217;t know what will.</p>
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		<title>By: djtizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>djtizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess what I should have wrote was GOOD HITTERS, maybe that would have helped. I Didnt mention anything about pitching at Coors Vs. Safeco

Ok his #&#039;s would drop a little I agree. He wouldnt fall off the map though! Thats ridiculus!! He&#039;s had a good career so far, thats somthing you cant fake or hide, its not like he just had 1 good season in Boston! He would still contribute and produce as a Mariner... as a Padre, on any team with a pitchers park.

Im not discounting anything, to say you dont want Bay is absurd. Any team would love to have him in the lineup......its his cost that will keep him in NY (either Queens or the Bronx) or Boston most likely. Not his being right handed!

I understand the point you&#039;re trying to make, I get it. Ya a lefty power bat is what we need, I get it...Dont get caught up in the &quot;Bay is from Seattle&quot; trip...I GET IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what I should have wrote was GOOD HITTERS, maybe that would have helped. I Didnt mention anything about pitching at Coors Vs. Safeco</p>
<p>Ok his #&#8217;s would drop a little I agree. He wouldnt fall off the map though! Thats ridiculus!! He&#8217;s had a good career so far, thats somthing you cant fake or hide, its not like he just had 1 good season in Boston! He would still contribute and produce as a Mariner&#8230; as a Padre, on any team with a pitchers park.</p>
<p>Im not discounting anything, to say you dont want Bay is absurd. Any team would love to have him in the lineup&#8230;&#8230;its his cost that will keep him in NY (either Queens or the Bronx) or Boston most likely. Not his being right handed!</p>
<p>I understand the point you&#8217;re trying to make, I get it. Ya a lefty power bat is what we need, I get it&#8230;Dont get caught up in the &#8220;Bay is from Seattle&#8221; trip&#8230;I GET IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The truth is good players will succeed anywhwere under any circumstance. &lt;/em&gt;

This is so far from the truth to be laughable.  Do you think a flyball pitcher would do well in Coors Field? 

You have to account for the park, or you&#039;ll make stupid decisions.  To write off the effects of Safeco on RHBs is beyond dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The truth is good players will succeed anywhwere under any circumstance. </em></p>
<p>This is so far from the truth to be laughable.  Do you think a flyball pitcher would do well in Coors Field? </p>
<p>You have to account for the park, or you&#8217;ll make stupid decisions.  To write off the effects of Safeco on RHBs is beyond dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: djtizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>djtizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive been thinking about the Bay option since it started rumoring late in the season. He&#039;s local (somewhat), he went to school here (somewhat...in the state at least!), and blah blah blah. 

Then I read this blog about how Bay dosnt belong on the M&#039;s roster. This got me thinking....WHY NOT?
Ya, you guys can make the argument that right handers dont do well at the Safe...but isnt Jose a righty...Edgar a righty...ARod a righty...not to mention the righties that come to visit and tear us apart like Vlady and Cabrera

Are we hoping for 9 lefties in the lineup next season? The truth is good players will succeed anywhwere under any circumstance. And I believe Bay to be a good player. 

That said, I agree Bay will be way overpriced and DO NOT WANT the M&#039;s to throw the red carpet down for him, there are too many other options at LF. But if he came at the right price, why not ponder it? Just dont mark him for death because hes a righty...the majority of the world is, and the majority of baseball is as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive been thinking about the Bay option since it started rumoring late in the season. He&#8217;s local (somewhat), he went to school here (somewhat&#8230;in the state at least!), and blah blah blah. </p>
<p>Then I read this blog about how Bay dosnt belong on the M&#8217;s roster. This got me thinking&#8230;.WHY NOT?<br />
Ya, you guys can make the argument that right handers dont do well at the Safe&#8230;but isnt Jose a righty&#8230;Edgar a righty&#8230;ARod a righty&#8230;not to mention the righties that come to visit and tear us apart like Vlady and Cabrera</p>
<p>Are we hoping for 9 lefties in the lineup next season? The truth is good players will succeed anywhwere under any circumstance. And I believe Bay to be a good player. </p>
<p>That said, I agree Bay will be way overpriced and DO NOT WANT the M&#8217;s to throw the red carpet down for him, there are too many other options at LF. But if he came at the right price, why not ponder it? Just dont mark him for death because hes a righty&#8230;the majority of the world is, and the majority of baseball is as well!</p>
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