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		<title>By: coreyjro</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/10/20/daves-2010-off-season-plan/comment-page-8/#comment-354385</link>
		<dc:creator>coreyjro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theoretically Adam Dunn would have been a 3 or 4 win player as a DH, just thought I&#039;d put that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically Adam Dunn would have been a 3 or 4 win player as a DH, just thought I&#8217;d put that out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Notor</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/10/20/daves-2010-off-season-plan/comment-page-8/#comment-353966</link>
		<dc:creator>Notor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the love for Robinson Cano in this thread is kind of silly.  Not that he is a terrible player but if you&#039;re seriously suggesting he should be the centerpiece of a Felix trade you are batshit crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the love for Robinson Cano in this thread is kind of silly.  Not that he is a terrible player but if you&#8217;re seriously suggesting he should be the centerpiece of a Felix trade you are batshit crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric M. Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric M. Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to conceive of the most desirable possible FA.

Obviously, to start with, he should be tremendously undervalued, so that you can get him for way less money than he&#039;s worth.  So he&#039;s going to be a defensive wizard but ideally not one with a huge reputation as such.  Baserunning value, which is almost never measured by anyone, would be nice, so let&#039;s just make him the best baserunner (SB / CS excluded) in all of MLB, OK? So you&#039;ve got a guy who projects to be a 5.0 WARP player next year (using Marcel on his EqA and splitting the diff between UZR and Plus / Minus and regressing them, too), but almost nobody realizes he&#039;s anywhere that good.

Just to be silly, let&#039;s say that he&#039;s coming off a terrible post-season, which might depress his value a tick even though we all know it actually has no predictive value at all.

How far can we push this?  If he&#039;s going to play half his games in Safeco, how about if he gets absolutely no value at all from power, so that he has more value to you than almost anybody else?

Now I&#039;m downright hallucinating, so let&#039;s just say that he is also &lt;em&gt;the best player on the team that won your division&lt;/em&gt;.

And just to be entirely ludicrous, thanks to the idiocy of Elias, he&#039;s not even a type A!

Some joke, eh boss?

If the Mariners don&#039;t make every effort to get this done, then I don&#039;t see why anyone would ever sign a FA, period.  It&#039;s the biggest no-brainer in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to conceive of the most desirable possible FA.</p>
<p>Obviously, to start with, he should be tremendously undervalued, so that you can get him for way less money than he&#8217;s worth.  So he&#8217;s going to be a defensive wizard but ideally not one with a huge reputation as such.  Baserunning value, which is almost never measured by anyone, would be nice, so let&#8217;s just make him the best baserunner (SB / CS excluded) in all of MLB, OK? So you&#8217;ve got a guy who projects to be a 5.0 WARP player next year (using Marcel on his EqA and splitting the diff between UZR and Plus / Minus and regressing them, too), but almost nobody realizes he&#8217;s anywhere that good.</p>
<p>Just to be silly, let&#8217;s say that he&#8217;s coming off a terrible post-season, which might depress his value a tick even though we all know it actually has no predictive value at all.</p>
<p>How far can we push this?  If he&#8217;s going to play half his games in Safeco, how about if he gets absolutely no value at all from power, so that he has more value to you than almost anybody else?</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m downright hallucinating, so let&#8217;s just say that he is also <em>the best player on the team that won your division</em>.</p>
<p>And just to be entirely ludicrous, thanks to the idiocy of Elias, he&#8217;s not even a type A!</p>
<p>Some joke, eh boss?</p>
<p>If the Mariners don&#8217;t make every effort to get this done, then I don&#8217;t see why anyone would ever sign a FA, period.  It&#8217;s the biggest no-brainer in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Snow</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2009/10/20/daves-2010-off-season-plan/comment-page-8/#comment-353895</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So while Dave had Ichiroâ€™s 2010 salary at $18 M, the Mâ€™s are really only paying him $12 M according to Cotâ€™s ($17 M annual salary minus $5 M deferred). I assume Dave realized this, but just preferred to include the money in the 2010 budget, rather than the 2013 (or whenever budget) for simplicity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

$18 million is the average annual value of the contract when you include the signing bonus, and without any reduction for the deferred money. Since we don&#039;t actually know what rules the team is using to match payroll up against budget, simplicity has its virtues. Also, some systems would definitely require you to account for the deferred money now, since it&#039;s an existing liability, not to mention that it does carry a not insubstantial interest rate. But I&#039;ll leave the stupid accounting tricks for the Mariners&#039; annual report to the PFD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So while Dave had Ichiroâ€™s 2010 salary at $18 M, the Mâ€™s are really only paying him $12 M according to Cotâ€™s ($17 M annual salary minus $5 M deferred). I assume Dave realized this, but just preferred to include the money in the 2010 budget, rather than the 2013 (or whenever budget) for simplicity.</p></blockquote>
<p>$18 million is the average annual value of the contract when you include the signing bonus, and without any reduction for the deferred money. Since we don&#8217;t actually know what rules the team is using to match payroll up against budget, simplicity has its virtues. Also, some systems would definitely require you to account for the deferred money now, since it&#8217;s an existing liability, not to mention that it does carry a not insubstantial interest rate. But I&#8217;ll leave the stupid accounting tricks for the Mariners&#8217; annual report to the PFD.</p>
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		<title>By: TranquilPsychosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranquilPsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, mymrbig, what makes you think that we don&#039;t look at previous threads? We just may care about the old as much as the new. 

 something to consider... 

 Thanks for caring about the team/game enough to check in. Most folks only check in when they have something to bitch about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, mymrbig, what makes you think that we don&#8217;t look at previous threads? We just may care about the old as much as the new. </p>
<p> something to consider&#8230; </p>
<p> Thanks for caring about the team/game enough to check in. Most folks only check in when they have something to bitch about.</p>
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		<title>By: TranquilPsychosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranquilPsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to pretend that I understand the convoluted infrastructure of their contracts. To me it&#039;s rather fun watching folks pretend that they understand them. 

 Call me simple...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to pretend that I understand the convoluted infrastructure of their contracts. To me it&#8217;s rather fun watching folks pretend that they understand them. </p>
<p> Call me simple&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mymrbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>mymrbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I&#039;ve been to Cot&#039;s a million times and have no idea why I didn&#039;t bother reading the line beneath his actual salary numbers!  

So while Dave had Ichiro&#039;s 2010 salary at $18 M, the M&#039;s are really only paying him $12 M according to Cot&#039;s ($17 M annual salary minus $5 M deferred).  I assume Dave realized this, but just preferred to include the money in the 2010 budget, rather than the 2013 (or whenever budget) for simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I&#8217;ve been to Cot&#8217;s a million times and have no idea why I didn&#8217;t bother reading the line beneath his actual salary numbers!  </p>
<p>So while Dave had Ichiro&#8217;s 2010 salary at $18 M, the M&#8217;s are really only paying him $12 M according to Cot&#8217;s ($17 M annual salary minus $5 M deferred).  I assume Dave realized this, but just preferred to include the money in the 2010 budget, rather than the 2013 (or whenever budget) for simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: TranquilPsychosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranquilPsychosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mymrbig, 

 look &lt;a href=&quot;http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/seattle-mariners.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for the specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mymrbig, </p>
<p> look <a href="http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/seattle-mariners.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for the specifics.</p>
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		<title>By: mymrbig</title>
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		<dc:creator>mymrbig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I was off-topiced on the thread people are actually still reading, does anyone know whether $4 million of Ichiro&#039;s salary is deferred until after he retires?  I read that somewhere and, if true, it would open up $4 million more for this year&#039;s budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I was off-topiced on the thread people are actually still reading, does anyone know whether $4 million of Ichiro&#8217;s salary is deferred until after he retires?  I read that somewhere and, if true, it would open up $4 million more for this year&#8217;s budget.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the way they both were for much of the season, &quot;whiff-ey&quot; would be even more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the way they both were for much of the season, &#8220;whiff-ey&#8221; would be even more accurate.</p>
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