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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, I think your response needed more RANDOM CAPITALIZATION and maybe some gratuitous punctuation!! to give it that little extra bit of &quot;genious&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I think your response needed more RANDOM CAPITALIZATION and maybe some gratuitous punctuation!! to give it that little extra bit of &#8220;genious&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Genious&quot; indeed.

Also, you&#039;ll note it&#039;s not a 25-man depth chart, nor is it intended as such, and attempts to call out where uncertainty still exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Genious&#8221; indeed.</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;ll note it&#8217;s not a 25-man depth chart, nor is it intended as such, and attempts to call out where uncertainty still exists.</p>
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		<title>By: NorthPac10</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorthPac10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice 26 man squad!  It should be a REAL! advantage, if the rest of the AL West gets only 25!  

But I am still not sure.  Even if we had 26, we still have very little starting pitching (having a disinterested Lee for ONE YEAR! does not make a contender), no first baseman, a catcher who can not hit or throw anyone out at second (you seriously think Moore is going to start?), a left handed DH who hits in the .210&#039;s and was given a raise!, and who &quot;WAK&quot; will insist bats 4th, (a GREAT use of talent was to have Branyan hit 2nd!), and a left fielder who is not certain that he is from earth!  Gee, I wonder why the Angels are laughing. 

This roster (as it stands) is BARELY better than last year&#039;s! Before passing out praise to &quot;Dr. Genious&quot;, we may want to actually correct a few of the problems from last year.  Very little starting pitching would be a start.  So what does &quot;Dr.Z&quot; do? Trade one of the few peices that we actually have at SP with HUGE upside!  Absolute &quot;Genious&quot;! 

I have to end this now.  I have to run outside and put up a statue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice 26 man squad!  It should be a REAL! advantage, if the rest of the AL West gets only 25!  </p>
<p>But I am still not sure.  Even if we had 26, we still have very little starting pitching (having a disinterested Lee for ONE YEAR! does not make a contender), no first baseman, a catcher who can not hit or throw anyone out at second (you seriously think Moore is going to start?), a left handed DH who hits in the .210&#8242;s and was given a raise!, and who &#8220;WAK&#8221; will insist bats 4th, (a GREAT use of talent was to have Branyan hit 2nd!), and a left fielder who is not certain that he is from earth!  Gee, I wonder why the Angels are laughing. </p>
<p>This roster (as it stands) is BARELY better than last year&#8217;s! Before passing out praise to &#8220;Dr. Genious&#8221;, we may want to actually correct a few of the problems from last year.  Very little starting pitching would be a start.  So what does &#8220;Dr.Z&#8221; do? Trade one of the few peices that we actually have at SP with HUGE upside!  Absolute &#8220;Genious&#8221;! </p>
<p>I have to end this now.  I have to run outside and put up a statue!</p>
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		<title>By: TumwaterMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>TumwaterMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I think Duchscherer (I&#039;m glad you spelled it so I wouldn&#039;t have to look it up)would have been a solid #3.  There&#039;s still Sheets.  Hey the Cubs just got a new pitcher, maybe Zambrano&#039;s available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I think Duchscherer (I&#8217;m glad you spelled it so I wouldn&#8217;t have to look it up)would have been a solid #3.  There&#8217;s still Sheets.  Hey the Cubs just got a new pitcher, maybe Zambrano&#8217;s available.</p>
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		<title>By: heychuck01</title>
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		<dc:creator>heychuck01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[see guidelines]</description>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™d switch Lopez and Figgins in that write-up, but other than that, I think that even lacking a first baseman, this is a playoff team.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not so sure. The Mariners, Angels and Rangers are probably going to end up all mid-to-high 80 win teams on true talent (an assessment of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/12/16/1204195/an-attempt-to-quantify-the&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pre-Bradley/League gets them to 84&lt;/a&gt;, and I think Bradley at DH and League probably gets them about tied with the Angels), and injuries/breakouts/fallbacks/luck are so random and unforeseeable that I don&#039;t think any one team is head-and-shoulders over the rest, given that.

Adding a 2-2.5 WAR 1B to replace Carp would help push the team past the Angels in terms of true talent, as well as add some hitting depth to the organization. At this point, I think wanting Carp to demonstrate he&#039;s one of the SUPERIOR hitters at AAA is fairly justified, not just able to hit there.

Case in point:

Mike Carp in AAA: .271/.372/.446
Jeff Clement in AAA: .279/.368/.492
Jeremy Reed in AAA: .301/.364/.458
Jose Lopez in AAA: .304/.347/.505

And just for fun, 

Michael Saunders in AAA: .292/.359/.504</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Iâ€™d switch Lopez and Figgins in that write-up, but other than that, I think that even lacking a first baseman, this is a playoff team.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure. The Mariners, Angels and Rangers are probably going to end up all mid-to-high 80 win teams on true talent (an assessment of <a HREF="http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/12/16/1204195/an-attempt-to-quantify-the" rel="nofollow">pre-Bradley/League gets them to 84</a>, and I think Bradley at DH and League probably gets them about tied with the Angels), and injuries/breakouts/fallbacks/luck are so random and unforeseeable that I don&#8217;t think any one team is head-and-shoulders over the rest, given that.</p>
<p>Adding a 2-2.5 WAR 1B to replace Carp would help push the team past the Angels in terms of true talent, as well as add some hitting depth to the organization. At this point, I think wanting Carp to demonstrate he&#8217;s one of the SUPERIOR hitters at AAA is fairly justified, not just able to hit there.</p>
<p>Case in point:</p>
<p>Mike Carp in AAA: .271/.372/.446<br />
Jeff Clement in AAA: .279/.368/.492<br />
Jeremy Reed in AAA: .301/.364/.458<br />
Jose Lopez in AAA: .304/.347/.505</p>
<p>And just for fun, </p>
<p>Michael Saunders in AAA: .292/.359/.504</p>
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		<title>By: Willmore2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willmore2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d switch Lopez and Figgins in that write-up, but other than that, I think that even lacking a first baseman, this is a playoff team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d switch Lopez and Figgins in that write-up, but other than that, I think that even lacking a first baseman, this is a playoff team.</p>
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		<title>By: Route 21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Route 21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My real worry is Snell. Barring another signing or trade, our rotation counts on him to figure things out (AL hitters, new park, his head, whatever).

If Snell doesn&#039;t, in all seriousness, wouldn&#039;t this season be the season to go with a 4-man rotation, Felix/Lee/RRS/the best of the rest, rather than running out the second best of the rest every 5 days? It does cost us the opportunity to chant &quot;Fister, Fister, Fister!&quot; every 5 days in public, but I&#039;d rather win the division and chant privately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My real worry is Snell. Barring another signing or trade, our rotation counts on him to figure things out (AL hitters, new park, his head, whatever).</p>
<p>If Snell doesn&#8217;t, in all seriousness, wouldn&#8217;t this season be the season to go with a 4-man rotation, Felix/Lee/RRS/the best of the rest, rather than running out the second best of the rest every 5 days? It does cost us the opportunity to chant &#8220;Fister, Fister, Fister!&#8221; every 5 days in public, but I&#8217;d rather win the division and chant privately.</p>
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		<title>By: Route 21</title>
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		<dc:creator>Route 21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What does everyone make of the comment that Jack Z said today? Zduriencik said heâ€™d envisioned Morrow competing for a fifth-starter role this spring with pitchers like Garrett Olson, Jason Vargas and Doug Fister. Wow I think that sums up what Big Z thought of Morrow and why he traded him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ouch - I hadn&#039;t heard that.

I think that tracks with some of the observations from mid-late last season, when Morrow had been sent to Tacoma largely to &lt;strike&gt;take in the aroma&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;pick up AAA groupies&lt;/strike&gt; develop his changeup, and either couldn&#039;t or hadn&#039;t.

Without a changeup, Morrow is a reliever, because he can&#039;t throw Mach 2 with his hair on fire for 200 innings a year. 

Do others concur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What does everyone make of the comment that Jack Z said today? Zduriencik said heâ€™d envisioned Morrow competing for a fifth-starter role this spring with pitchers like Garrett Olson, Jason Vargas and Doug Fister. Wow I think that sums up what Big Z thought of Morrow and why he traded him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ouch &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t heard that.</p>
<p>I think that tracks with some of the observations from mid-late last season, when Morrow had been sent to Tacoma largely to <strike>take in the aroma</strike> <strike>pick up AAA groupies</strike> develop his changeup, and either couldn&#8217;t or hadn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Without a changeup, Morrow is a reliever, because he can&#8217;t throw Mach 2 with his hair on fire for 200 innings a year. </p>
<p>Do others concur?</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason you haven&#039;t heard much talk is because there is no room for another DH-only type player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason you haven&#8217;t heard much talk is because there is no room for another DH-only type player.</p>
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