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		<title>By: Coug1990</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coug1990</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure how that changes anything I wrote.  Caveat emptor.  Personally, I loved watching Putz pitch when he was closing games for the Mariners, but I don&#039;t really respect him.  For all I know he could have been making the entire thing up, but no one has come out to deny what he said as far as I know.

Players have pain all them so the Mets might not have thought anything about the situation.  If I were a betting man (and I am not), I would guess your third point is most likely true.

But, let&#039;s go back to the point I was making, there is no reason to be mad at MacPhail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure how that changes anything I wrote.  Caveat emptor.  Personally, I loved watching Putz pitch when he was closing games for the Mariners, but I don&#8217;t really respect him.  For all I know he could have been making the entire thing up, but no one has come out to deny what he said as far as I know.</p>
<p>Players have pain all them so the Mets might not have thought anything about the situation.  If I were a betting man (and I am not), I would guess your third point is most likely true.</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s go back to the point I was making, there is no reason to be mad at MacPhail.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Putz admitted he was damaged goods at the time of the trade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Alleged. As in all cases, there&#039;s a vast amount of grey here. Teams need to provide undamaged players and medical records if requested as part of the trade, or these cases go to Selig for arbitration (and compensation). If Putz was really injured to the point of being unusable, it requires a set of things to happen:
- Mariners know (obviously) and don&#039;t disclose
- Mets don&#039;t know (less likely than you&#039;d think) and still go ahead
- Mets doctors sign off on the trade, or the Mets decide to wave the doctors off and not do a physical.
- Once the trade is made and Putz shows up, unable to pitch, the Mets decide it&#039;s no big deal and don&#039;t protest or ask for the trade to be voided by MLB.

So.. yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Putz admitted he was damaged goods at the time of the trade.</p></blockquote>
<p>Alleged. As in all cases, there&#8217;s a vast amount of grey here. Teams need to provide undamaged players and medical records if requested as part of the trade, or these cases go to Selig for arbitration (and compensation). If Putz was really injured to the point of being unusable, it requires a set of things to happen:<br />
- Mariners know (obviously) and don&#8217;t disclose<br />
- Mets don&#8217;t know (less likely than you&#8217;d think) and still go ahead<br />
- Mets doctors sign off on the trade, or the Mets decide to wave the doctors off and not do a physical.<br />
- Once the trade is made and Putz shows up, unable to pitch, the Mets decide it&#8217;s no big deal and don&#8217;t protest or ask for the trade to be voided by MLB.</p>
<p>So.. yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: dingbatman</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/02/06/bedard-passes-physical-deal-done/comment-page-1/#comment-363899</link>
		<dc:creator>dingbatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jackâ€™s skills as a GM are so advanced, heâ€™s able to make midseason trade deadline deals in February.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


So as of right now if the baseball gods are with us we can look forward to mid-season additions of Bedard and Ackley. Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jackâ€™s skills as a GM are so advanced, heâ€™s able to make midseason trade deadline deals in February.</p></blockquote>
<p>So as of right now if the baseball gods are with us we can look forward to mid-season additions of Bedard and Ackley. Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Coug1990</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coug1990</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is unethical about the trade Bedard trade? The Mets can say the same thing about Jack Z being unethical regarding the trade of JJ Putz.  Putz admitted he was damaged goods at the time of the trade.  It is up to each organization to do their due diligence.

Don&#039;t get mad at MacPhail for doing his job. Why wouldn&#039;t the Orioles try to sign him now?  Every thing that we are all saying that for the money is low risk would be for the same for any club.

Your anger is directed at the wrong person. Bavasi was the idiot. Was MacPhail supposed to negotiate against himself and say that &quot;no, you are giving up too much, we will just take Jones and Sherrill.  You can keep the other players.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is unethical about the trade Bedard trade? The Mets can say the same thing about Jack Z being unethical regarding the trade of JJ Putz.  Putz admitted he was damaged goods at the time of the trade.  It is up to each organization to do their due diligence.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get mad at MacPhail for doing his job. Why wouldn&#8217;t the Orioles try to sign him now?  Every thing that we are all saying that for the money is low risk would be for the same for any club.</p>
<p>Your anger is directed at the wrong person. Bavasi was the idiot. Was MacPhail supposed to negotiate against himself and say that &#8220;no, you are giving up too much, we will just take Jones and Sherrill.  You can keep the other players.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DRFelix</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRFelix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How it&#039;s turning out now, we could have Bedard for 4 years now (08-11). A &quot;little&quot; more palatable. 

Hopefully we&#039;ll see the 06-07 Bedard (before his 8/26/07 injury that is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How it&#8217;s turning out now, we could have Bedard for 4 years now (08-11). A &#8220;little&#8221; more palatable. </p>
<p>Hopefully we&#8217;ll see the 06-07 Bedard (before his 8/26/07 injury that is).</p>
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		<title>By: DRFelix</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRFelix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bavasi ended up being the lone sucker in the end, and MacPhail literally soaked our franchise with Bavasi&#039;s ignorance!

This was such an unethical trade to start with, and I even thought MacPhail wanted another organization to take the 2008-2009 risk of Bedard, and then they would come back and work at grabbing him back in FA in 2010. That would of been horrible PR for Seattle, despite Bavasi already being sent packing.

WOW...like the Baltimore Sun article above clearly brought out now...they were working as hard as the M&#039;s to do it too!

My worse nightmare was that Bedard would go back to the O&#039;s on the contract he just signed with Seattle. This would of been the final nail in the coffin on the Bedard deal, and to slap the M&#039;s franchise in the face even more. MacPhail would of landed our franchise&#039;s 6 top prospects AND get Bedard back 2 years later.

UNBELIEVABLE.

I do NOT like MacPhail and his unethical business practices, and will be happy if we NEVER trade with him ever again. You can bet the Z Man has already figured that out too, so we won&#039;t have to worry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bavasi ended up being the lone sucker in the end, and MacPhail literally soaked our franchise with Bavasi&#8217;s ignorance!</p>
<p>This was such an unethical trade to start with, and I even thought MacPhail wanted another organization to take the 2008-2009 risk of Bedard, and then they would come back and work at grabbing him back in FA in 2010. That would of been horrible PR for Seattle, despite Bavasi already being sent packing.</p>
<p>WOW&#8230;like the Baltimore Sun article above clearly brought out now&#8230;they were working as hard as the M&#8217;s to do it too!</p>
<p>My worse nightmare was that Bedard would go back to the O&#8217;s on the contract he just signed with Seattle. This would of been the final nail in the coffin on the Bedard deal, and to slap the M&#8217;s franchise in the face even more. MacPhail would of landed our franchise&#8217;s 6 top prospects AND get Bedard back 2 years later.</p>
<p>UNBELIEVABLE.</p>
<p>I do NOT like MacPhail and his unethical business practices, and will be happy if we NEVER trade with him ever again. You can bet the Z Man has already figured that out too, so we won&#8217;t have to worry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: DRFelix</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRFelix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Mac&quot;F&quot;ail conspiracy theory.

The end of 2007, Bedard was put on the 60-Day DL, and didn&#039;t pitching past 8/26 that year. I know Bedard had to pass a physical with Seattle, but Bavasi was so blasted desperate to make anything work I feel that as long as Bedard walked in without an amputated left arm...the deal was going to get done. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rotoworld 9/09/2007: Manager Dave Trembley said the Orioles probably will reach a decision Sunday on whether to shut down Erik Bedard for the season. Bedard has stopped baseball activities.The AL strikeout leader hasn&#039;t pitched since Aug. 26.

Rotoworld 10/24/2007: Erik Bedard, Kris Benson, Jay Gibbons, Adam Loewen and Chris Ray were activated from the 60-day disabled list. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wanted Bedard really bad at the time, but I was extremely skeptical about his health coming off of the 60 DL. The question is &quot;Why&quot; they took him off prior to the MLB WS in 2007 was to trade him. I felt MacPhail and the O&#039;s management knew that there could be continued Bedard injuries going into 2008. So thus their huge effort that offseason to hurry up and trade him to the highest bidder. They had BoSox, Dodgers, Cincy, and Seattle as potential trade candidates asking for the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Mac&#8221;F&#8221;ail conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>The end of 2007, Bedard was put on the 60-Day DL, and didn&#8217;t pitching past 8/26 that year. I know Bedard had to pass a physical with Seattle, but Bavasi was so blasted desperate to make anything work I feel that as long as Bedard walked in without an amputated left arm&#8230;the deal was going to get done. </p>
<blockquote><p>Rotoworld 9/09/2007: Manager Dave Trembley said the Orioles probably will reach a decision Sunday on whether to shut down Erik Bedard for the season. Bedard has stopped baseball activities.The AL strikeout leader hasn&#8217;t pitched since Aug. 26.</p>
<p>Rotoworld 10/24/2007: Erik Bedard, Kris Benson, Jay Gibbons, Adam Loewen and Chris Ray were activated from the 60-day disabled list. </p></blockquote>
<p>I wanted Bedard really bad at the time, but I was extremely skeptical about his health coming off of the 60 DL. The question is &#8220;Why&#8221; they took him off prior to the MLB WS in 2007 was to trade him. I felt MacPhail and the O&#8217;s management knew that there could be continued Bedard injuries going into 2008. So thus their huge effort that offseason to hurry up and trade him to the highest bidder. They had BoSox, Dodgers, Cincy, and Seattle as potential trade candidates asking for the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: DRFelix</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRFelix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wsm</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, you don&#039;t have to wait until Opening Day to put Bedard on the DL. I&#039;m not sure what the earliest date you can do that is, but its usually in February. Last season the Braves put Tim Hudson on it on &lt;a href=&quot;http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/index.jsp?year=2009&amp;month=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;February 26th&lt;/a&gt;.

If Bedard thinks he may be back in the bigs by May, he can&#039;t go on the 60 Day DL on Opening Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, you don&#8217;t have to wait until Opening Day to put Bedard on the DL. I&#8217;m not sure what the earliest date you can do that is, but its usually in February. Last season the Braves put Tim Hudson on it on <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/index.jsp?year=2009&amp;month=2" rel="nofollow">February 26th</a>.</p>
<p>If Bedard thinks he may be back in the bigs by May, he can&#8217;t go on the 60 Day DL on Opening Day.</p>
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		<title>By: hark</title>
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		<dc:creator>hark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Okay so do we know what these incentives are???? I would really like to knowâ€¦.. i wonder if one of them if for finally going over 100 pitches in a game????&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ha. Ha. So funny. You mean like he did &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eight times&lt;/a&gt; in last season alone? You know, while injured?

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;six times&lt;/a&gt; in 2008 with an additional three at 99?

Over three quarters of his games in 2007, his last &quot;healthy&quot; season, were over 100 pitches, too. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crazy talk&lt;/a&gt;!

/sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Okay so do we know what these incentives are???? I would really like to knowâ€¦.. i wonder if one of them if for finally going over 100 pitches in a game????</p></blockquote>
<p>Ha. Ha. So funny. You mean like he did <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2009" rel="nofollow">eight times</a> in last season alone? You know, while injured?</p>
<p>And <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2008" rel="nofollow">six times</a> in 2008 with an additional three at 99?</p>
<p>Over three quarters of his games in 2007, his last &#8220;healthy&#8221; season, were over 100 pitches, too. <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=bedarer01&amp;t=p&amp;year=2007" rel="nofollow">Crazy talk</a>!</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
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