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		<title>By: biscuit</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/05/17/game-thirty-eight-recap/comment-page-3/#comment-379687</link>
		<dc:creator>biscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entering this season two things were stuck in the back of my mind.  1, we did nothing to fix our offensive malaise of 2009.  And 2, why trade for Lee without addressing #1.  There is still time to finish with a decent(.500 or better record) but that time is quickly being lost.  We were lucky last year to have a winning record after being outscored by 59 runs, to rely on that same luck again this year was pure folly.  Elias did a study that covered the last 100 years and found that if you win a prepoderance of one run games one year, it corrects itself the next.  To summarize no luck next year, we are finding that to be oh so true.  Make a trade, or promotion; try something anything please before the entire season is lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entering this season two things were stuck in the back of my mind.  1, we did nothing to fix our offensive malaise of 2009.  And 2, why trade for Lee without addressing #1.  There is still time to finish with a decent(.500 or better record) but that time is quickly being lost.  We were lucky last year to have a winning record after being outscored by 59 runs, to rely on that same luck again this year was pure folly.  Elias did a study that covered the last 100 years and found that if you win a prepoderance of one run games one year, it corrects itself the next.  To summarize no luck next year, we are finding that to be oh so true.  Make a trade, or promotion; try something anything please before the entire season is lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrt1212</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/05/17/game-thirty-eight-recap/comment-page-3/#comment-379056</link>
		<dc:creator>mrt1212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demanding contention doesn&#039;t yield contention though. Maybe this is just narcissism on your part but fans can&#039;t force the front office to listen to them, to make the right moves, to play the right players, and make the players perform better on the field. 

And there are obvious teams that are in contention constantly that have a fan base that is composed of idiots (Phillies fans prefer Kruk to Schmidt and vomit on opposing fans), or non existent ones like the Florida Marlins(Kidding, sort of). The Oakland A&#039;s post 1991 didn&#039;t bring in fans again until they started competing again. 

Of all the factors of contention, fan pressure has to be the least important because of the success teams have without out it or in spite of it. Contenders generate fans, fans don&#039;t generate contenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demanding contention doesn&#8217;t yield contention though. Maybe this is just narcissism on your part but fans can&#8217;t force the front office to listen to them, to make the right moves, to play the right players, and make the players perform better on the field. </p>
<p>And there are obvious teams that are in contention constantly that have a fan base that is composed of idiots (Phillies fans prefer Kruk to Schmidt and vomit on opposing fans), or non existent ones like the Florida Marlins(Kidding, sort of). The Oakland A&#8217;s post 1991 didn&#8217;t bring in fans again until they started competing again. </p>
<p>Of all the factors of contention, fan pressure has to be the least important because of the success teams have without out it or in spite of it. Contenders generate fans, fans don&#8217;t generate contenders.</p>
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		<title>By: spankystout</title>
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		<dc:creator>spankystout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Posnanski posted an article about pressure in different markets if you want to check it out. 

If you disagree with me that is ok. But me, obviously overstating the Cub&#039;s accomplishments doesn&#039;t change the original idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Posnanski posted an article about pressure in different markets if you want to check it out. </p>
<p>If you disagree with me that is ok. But me, obviously overstating the Cub&#8217;s accomplishments doesn&#8217;t change the original idea.</p>
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		<title>By: HititHere</title>
		<link>http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/05/17/game-thirty-eight-recap/comment-page-3/#comment-379046</link>
		<dc:creator>HititHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 20:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And yes the Chicago Cubs have been in the playoffs a hell of a lot more than the M’s. Which makes them contenders&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Cubs have been to the playoffs 4 times since 1990.  The Mariners have been to the playoffs 4 times since 1995.  

If you want to go further back, the Cubs have been to the playoffs 6 times since World War II, a rate of once every 10.6 seasons.  The M&#039;s have been 4 times in their history since 1977, a rate of once every 5.5 seasons.  So for the past 60 years, the Cubs have experienced twice as much seasonal futility as the M&#039;s.  

The White Sox, though they have 1 WS win, are a worse example because they have been to the playoffs 6 times since 1920.

Your arguments come off better if they&#039;re accurate, even disregarding the jerk-factor of your (or anyone else&#039;s) posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And yes the Chicago Cubs have been in the playoffs a hell of a lot more than the M’s. Which makes them contenders</p></blockquote>
<p>The Cubs have been to the playoffs 4 times since 1990.  The Mariners have been to the playoffs 4 times since 1995.  </p>
<p>If you want to go further back, the Cubs have been to the playoffs 6 times since World War II, a rate of once every 10.6 seasons.  The M&#8217;s have been 4 times in their history since 1977, a rate of once every 5.5 seasons.  So for the past 60 years, the Cubs have experienced twice as much seasonal futility as the M&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>The White Sox, though they have 1 WS win, are a worse example because they have been to the playoffs 6 times since 1920.</p>
<p>Your arguments come off better if they&#8217;re accurate, even disregarding the jerk-factor of your (or anyone else&#8217;s) posts.</p>
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		<title>By: spankystout</title>
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		<dc:creator>spankystout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I said perennial contention. You can&#039;t buy a world series. But you can buy a contender. Learn how to comprehend simple sentences before posting. And yes the Chicago Cubs have been in the playoffs a hell of a lot more than the M&#039;s. Which makes them contenders. The White Sox won a ring a few years back. What the hell have the M&#039;s done? Oh yeah......nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I said perennial contention. You can&#8217;t buy a world series. But you can buy a contender. Learn how to comprehend simple sentences before posting. And yes the Chicago Cubs have been in the playoffs a hell of a lot more than the M&#8217;s. Which makes them contenders. The White Sox won a ring a few years back. What the hell have the M&#8217;s done? Oh yeah&#8230;&#8230;nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: don52656</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad truth is that this team isn&#039;t going anywhere.  Since 1978, I can only find one example of a team starting off 14-24 and ending up with a winning record:  The 1989 Toronto Blue Jays ended up winning the east with a 89-73 record.  The 1980 Atlanta Braves ended up at 81-81.  Every other team finished with a losing record, and the average number of wins was 69.  In order for this team to make the playoffs, they will have to generate a comeback of historical proportions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad truth is that this team isn&#8217;t going anywhere.  Since 1978, I can only find one example of a team starting off 14-24 and ending up with a winning record:  The 1989 Toronto Blue Jays ended up winning the east with a 89-73 record.  The 1980 Atlanta Braves ended up at 81-81.  Every other team finished with a losing record, and the average number of wins was 69.  In order for this team to make the playoffs, they will have to generate a comeback of historical proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: HititHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>HititHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried to edit but I was too late.  Typo.  Edit:

Loafie has 6 GIDPs to Kotchman&#039;s 4.  Not 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried to edit but I was too late.  Typo.  Edit:</p>
<p>Loafie has 6 GIDPs to Kotchman&#8217;s 4.  Not 2.</p>
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		<title>By: fermorules</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pgreyy: You nailed it!

Clearly the marketing dept. is more important to Armstrong/Lincoln then the baseball dept. For example, Saturday marks the third Griffey promotion this year at Safeco Field-and the season isn&#039;t even 40 games old!

Perhaps that&#039;s why Griffey made his decision to return so early, because Armstrong wanted to green-light Adamack and Co. to go full-bore with a 2010 campaign centered around Griffey and 1995.

Someone else said it but it&#039;s worth repeating. Did Mariner calendars stop on Dec. 31, 1995? Must we continue to live vicariously in a time-warp that didn&#039;t even produce a league championship? Most organizations, after all, have several moments like the Edgar/Junior double in 1995.

Alas it&#039;s the same-old same-old in Seattle. Chuck Armstrong&#039;s fingerprints (which will never be found on a World Series ring) continue to hinder the baseball dept. Instead of grilling Wak, how about we grill Chuck Armstrong? He&#039;s been here since 1982 (1982!!!!) and we&#039;re no closer now to a championship than the day he began. Yet it&#039;s never his ass on the line. The man has proven time and again he knows nothing about baseball while also proving incapable of keeping his nose out of business of the talent evaluators&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pgreyy: You nailed it!</p>
<p>Clearly the marketing dept. is more important to Armstrong/Lincoln then the baseball dept. For example, Saturday marks the third Griffey promotion this year at Safeco Field-and the season isn&#8217;t even 40 games old!</p>
<p>Perhaps that&#8217;s why Griffey made his decision to return so early, because Armstrong wanted to green-light Adamack and Co. to go full-bore with a 2010 campaign centered around Griffey and 1995.</p>
<p>Someone else said it but it&#8217;s worth repeating. Did Mariner calendars stop on Dec. 31, 1995? Must we continue to live vicariously in a time-warp that didn&#8217;t even produce a league championship? Most organizations, after all, have several moments like the Edgar/Junior double in 1995.</p>
<p>Alas it&#8217;s the same-old same-old in Seattle. Chuck Armstrong&#8217;s fingerprints (which will never be found on a World Series ring) continue to hinder the baseball dept. Instead of grilling Wak, how about we grill Chuck Armstrong? He&#8217;s been here since 1982 (1982!!!!) and we&#8217;re no closer now to a championship than the day he began. Yet it&#8217;s never his ass on the line. The man has proven time and again he knows nothing about baseball while also proving incapable of keeping his nose out of business of the talent evaluators&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: HititHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>HititHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 19:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Whatever they do, Kotchman shouldn’t be allowed to swing at anything if there is a runner on first.&lt;/em&gt;

Contrary to popular belief, Lopez is the one you need to be most angry at about GingIDPs.

Lopez hits in the heart of the order more frequently, and has 6 GIDPs to Kotchman&#039;s 2.  Kotchy also has a wOBA over 30 points higher.

Blame Lopez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Whatever they do, Kotchman shouldn’t be allowed to swing at anything if there is a runner on first.</em></p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, Lopez is the one you need to be most angry at about GingIDPs.</p>
<p>Lopez hits in the heart of the order more frequently, and has 6 GIDPs to Kotchman&#8217;s 2.  Kotchy also has a wOBA over 30 points higher.</p>
<p>Blame Lopez.</p>
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