JMB · December 20, 2004 at 11:25 am · Filed Under Mariners 

So they’ve made an offer to Odalis Perez, eh? Color me excited. As for the cash, dealing Randy Winn for a player making the major league minimum saves roughly $3.5M for next season. Not quite enough, obviously, but a solid start. Ryan Franklin brings that total to just under $6M, and now you’re talking.


34 Responses to “Perez?”

  1. furgig on December 20th, 2004 11:43 am

    Getting Perez would certainly make my Christmas (probably his too), but at this point I’m worried about our bullpen. Question marks surround every single starter on the staff. There’s a good chance we’ll see a lot of 5 inning starts from this group, and Villone coming out of the bullpen doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence. Are the M’s going to stick with some young arms, or try and sign some of the FA’s out there? With the way the market has been, I’m afraid to see what a situational lefty is going to cost this year.

  2. Shoeless Jose on December 20th, 2004 11:51 am

    Well, the Washington Times story linked earlier says Perez preferred DC for some reason (assuming you can believe the story) but the uncertainty over where and whether the Nationals will be playing next year has put all their deals on hold. MLB couldn’t screw the Expos harder if they had planned to do it… in fact, if they did have a plan it’s the most effective plan for anything MLB has tried to do in the last 20 years.

    Perez would be a great pickup for 3 years, especially with Moyer coming off the books next year at the latest.

    Regarding leftie relievers, Kline is still available, I believe.

  3. Xteve X on December 20th, 2004 12:02 pm

    I’ll be beside myself with joy if they land Perez.

    The Nationals are a classic example of how MLB does business. It’s like a dog forgetting to raise its hind leg.

  4. Paul Weaver on December 20th, 2004 12:06 pm

    I’ve heard it said here before that other than perez, one year signings are preferrable because the FA market for pitchers will be stronger next off-season, and the M’s could be in the race for top starters with Moyer and Boone coming off the books.

  5. Ryan Carson on December 20th, 2004 12:19 pm

    Can somebody provide me with some real pros and cons of Odalis? From the looks of it, he isn’t in the mold of our other pitchers. He seems to be a ground ball pitcher, which could help on the road, and he seems to have a decent K/9 ratio, and allows low OBP, which is always nice. So, my question is….what’s the catch? Why did LA let him go? Is there something I’m not seeing here?

  6. Dave Sund on December 20th, 2004 12:27 pm

    Washington Times. Let’s wait for a real newspaper to pick up this story, please. I think we are going after him, but I don’t believe that the Nats are serious players.

  7. RealRhino on December 20th, 2004 12:33 pm

    #5. I’m not sure I’d spend too much time looking for a “catch.” I think we are seeing that a GM in his first real full offseason is going to do some things to shape the organization/team his way. Players may not be a fit in LA for what they are trying to do, but they may fit in just fine with what we are trying to do. For all we know, LA may be trying to follow the Oakland mode of going with a pitching staff full of cheap pre-FA starters.

  8. Jim Thomsen on December 20th, 2004 12:40 pm

    As I’ve said before, my Dodgers source tells me Odalis Perez and Adrian Beltre are best friends who were inseparable when they were teammates. That could well be a factor.

  9. misterjonez on December 20th, 2004 12:43 pm

    And here I was contemplating the collective “post-orgasmic” state of tranquility everyone seemed to be in after the Beltre signing. I’m glad we’re going after this guy…if the money’s anything comparable, I would have preferred Clement, but he’s gonna want to go to a winner immediately from what I’ve read, and Perez is our second best option on the FA market…kinda like how I viewed Delgado and Sexson;)

  10. J.R. on December 20th, 2004 12:59 pm

    “It’s like a dog forgetting to raise its hind leg.”

    best. post. ever.

  11. Jon Helfgott on December 20th, 2004 1:12 pm

    Sorry for posting about Blackley in a Perez thread, but I just read over at Baseball America that his stuff took a big hit late in the year. I hadn’t heard that previously. Did I just miss something that everyone else knew? Either way, to what extent did his stuff decline, and does it appear serious?

  12. Jim Thomsen on December 20th, 2004 1:17 pm

    Jon: He’s injured. Shoulder, I think. Can anybody else elaborate?

    Last I heard, nobody’s counting on Blackley to play in 2005.

  13. wabbles on December 20th, 2004 1:26 pm

    Nope, Blackley isn’t on my 2005 staff and nobody else’s either from what I can see. Neither is Nageotte. ‘sigh’

  14. forgotten schmo on December 20th, 2004 1:45 pm

    Blakley has to work his way back form the injury, toughen up mentally after taking his demotion so hard personally, and figure out where’s his change up. The way he sequences pitches his change up is vital and makes his other pitches that much better. Start him AAA and see how far he’s come. He still can be an MLB starter but probably not coming out of spring trainig. Perez is a good ground ball pitcher who’s worked a ton. He does let up too many homers.

  15. Jon Helfgott on December 20th, 2004 2:17 pm

    When did he go down? I thought he was pitching right up to the end of the year. Obviously, I’m wrong.

  16. Jim Thomsen on December 20th, 2004 2:21 pm

    No, Blackley last pitched sometime in August.

  17. wabbles on December 20th, 2004 2:27 pm

    I just found it. After Blackley was sent back to Tacoma in August, he was working so hard to return to Seattle he wore out his shoulder. He rested it during September and the indication I got from the article I found is he will be ready for Feb. 19.

  18. Noel on December 20th, 2004 2:41 pm

    Re Odalis Perez, here’s an odd comment from him after the recent postseason game in which he got shelled by the Cardinals (from

    [quote] Perez said he had all his pitches working, which isn’t necessarily a good thing. He said he often bears down when his stuff is lacking. “Next time I hope not to be 100 percent for sure,” Perez said. [end quote]

    Sounds like Odalis needs to work on his mental focus. (Shades of Freddy Garcia and Joel Pineiro?)

    Also, looking at his splits (from, it’s good to see that he’s tough when he has runners on base; on the other hand, it’s kinda weird that (being a lefty) he pitches better against righty batters, and also allows quite a few stolen bases.

    On balance, I’d take him, but he’ll probably need a fair amount of coaching.

  19. Noel on December 20th, 2004 2:48 pm

    Re Odalis Perez, here’s an odd quote from him after his recent postseason game where he got shelled by the Cardinals (from

    [quote] Perez said he had all his pitches working, which isn’t necessarily a good thing. He said he often bears down when his stuff is lacking. “Next time I hope not to be 100 percent for sure,” Perez said. [end quote]

    Sounds like he needs to work on his mental focus. (Shades of Freddy Garcia and Joel Pineiro?)

    Also, looking at his splits, it’s good that he’s tough when he has runners on base; but it’s kinda weird that (being a lefty) he pitches better against righty batters, and also allows quite a few stolen bases.

    On balance, I’d take him (depending on the cost), but it sounds like he’ll need some coaching.

  20. PositivePaul on December 20th, 2004 3:09 pm

    Maybe I misjudged the market — I initially felt that Russ Ortiz is the most like Freddy( It sounds like Odalis Perez is a lefty version moreso, though.

    If it means putting up with a pitching enigma, and he does alright (15-8 with 3+ ERA, with 200+ innings pitched) I’d be OK with Perez. I’m pretty confident the M’s have the cash to do it, and could take the edge of the budget by trading Winn, Franklin and/or Spiezio.

    But again:

    Why Stop Now???

  21. Jeff Nye on December 20th, 2004 3:17 pm

    Let’s send Sandfrog on tour for good!

    I’m still peeved that I missed the Feed after all this weekend, things coming up at the last minute suck.

  22. Chas on December 20th, 2004 3:39 pm

    just curious…has beltres number been announced, since boone is already 29. I also noticed that beltre didnt have a uni on display, unline sexson.

  23. moira on December 20th, 2004 3:46 pm

    So is there any word on who we might be moving for Perez? I know conventional wisdom has Winn next to go but is there anything to support that happening in this case, or is there a shot that we might lose the horrible Spiezio. Also, would the proposed Randy Johnson trade involving the Dodgers have any effect on this at all? Speaking of which, I hate to get all girly, but I had no idea Paul Depodesta was so good-looking.
    Bring the Expos to Portland! I wish.

  24. mfan on December 20th, 2004 3:54 pm

    Mike Thompson (PI Blog) is reporting that Aaron Taylor has been traded for Sean Green (not Shawn Green) and that Rett (or is it Rhett) Johnson has been DFA’d to get the M’s back to 40. Green’s 25 and had a stat line of 3.03 ERA last year for Colorado’s AA club. Looking over his stats, it doesn’t look like he’ll be too much of a prospect.

    …and that Depodesta sure is a handsome fellow. See, it’s not so girly (mfan is male).

  25. chris w on December 20th, 2004 3:55 pm

    I would like some more information on Perez. Has Dave written him up yet? I don’t think so…

    I know this. He spent some time on the injured list in June/July last year with an inflamed rotator cuff. I don’t like the sound of that, but I have no idea how serious it was/is. He also had some sort of bicep problem later in the year. He seems basically like a finesse lefty, but with more heat on his fastball than the Original Crafty Southpaw. He has a good K/BB ratio on the strength of his ability to avoid walks rather high K totals. This played well in Chavez Ravine, and might play well in Safeco, especially the Ms emphasize good OF defense. I’m not sure he’s worth $6-7M/year, though.

    Anyway, I want the Ms to sign a bona fide SP as much as the next guy, but I don’t know if Perez is the answer.

  26. eponymous coward on December 20th, 2004 3:59 pm

    Alternately, they can deal Ibanez somewhwere where he can play the field, and save about the same amount of cash. I suspect an OF of Reed in CF and Winn in LF > Reed in CF and Ibanez in LF, and Winn and Ibanez are pretty close in production at the plate (EqA’s are .281/.291, advantage Raul), plus Winn’s the younger player (31 in 2005, to 33 for Raul).

  27. mfan on December 20th, 2004 4:08 pm

    Chris – Jason did a small writeup on him about a week ago. The search turned up empty for the larger writeups Dave has done for other players. Jason seemed pro-Perez at the right price.

  28. Ralph Malph on December 20th, 2004 4:10 pm

    I was under the impression Blackley’s arm bothered him from the time they first called him up. He struggled after his first game but didn’t want to tell them his arm was hurting.

  29. joebob on December 20th, 2004 4:19 pm

    Perez is the best free agent starter left on the market, i would be overjoyed if the mariners signed him. Last year he put up a warp3 of 4.8, which makes him a middle of the rotation starter, but his upside is an 8.1 put up in 2002, plus he’s only 27/28 years old, which means that he’s probably not going to decline anytime soon. His periphrals are solid, if not outstanding and if you can sign him I say go for it.

  30. joebob on December 20th, 2004 4:20 pm

    As regards the bullpen, you have guardado, hasegawa and villone as locks, and your young arms should give you more than enough options to put together a solid crew. Bullpen is something you really need to worry about when you are ready to contend, which the 2005 mariners are probably not going to do.

  31. Jim Thomsen on December 20th, 2004 4:23 pm

    Okay, so what do we know about Sean Green (acquired today from the Rockies for Aaron Taylor, whom I will miss a lot despite the nagging feeling that somehow Taylor will never really put it together)? And Rett Johnson … I hope he gets re-signed back into the Mariners organization, and hope he gets his life pulled together. I think he could resurface in a few years as somebody’s #5 starter.

  32. Ty on December 20th, 2004 4:55 pm

    I know NOTHING about Perez. I hardly knew he exsisted. Do you think he’s worth it? The $6 mill for 3 years?

  33. Jim Thomsen on December 20th, 2004 4:57 pm

    Google him, but under the Web and News links … there’s a wealth of good info.

  34. Brandyn Jacquart on December 20th, 2004 7:23 pm

    I was just wondering now since the Astros have non-tenered Wade Miller could he be a better option at a cheaper deal over Odalis Perez if hes gets to pricey for the once SUPER tight wad M’s??(even with the sholder injury im fully aware) If not Perez also what about getting a Estaban Loaiza(maybe to much pressure wit the yanks??) in a deal he could benefit in spacious Safeco and he’s also only one year off his outstanding All-Star year……..?? Please Any comments….Dont get me wrong i LOVE the prospect of having Odalis Perez in a M’s uniform but W. Miller and E. Loaiza are middle range guys who have sum expereice and may be cheaper to boot and can be DOWNRIGHT NASTY some days… i wish i would have went to the party would have been some fun.