Game 3, Twins at Mariners
DMZ · April 6, 2005 at 2:24 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Silva vs Madritsch
3:35, no TV, so it’s KOMO-only
Will Thornton make another appearance? Ever? Will the rest of the Mariner lineup hit? Who does Ron Gardenhire remind you of?
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Ron Gardenhire and Harve Presnell (the father-in-law from the movie Fargo) – separated at birth? You be the judge…
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Gardenhire = Yul Brenner. No wait — that’s Raul. How about Tom Hanks?
If Jarvis pitched more than one game last year, then Thornton’s bound to go at it again. Yikes.
1. No
2. Please no
3. Eventually
4. Ron Gardenhire?
1 and 2 – Yes, the sooner the better so Bavasi can realize there’s no hope.
3 – Yep, starting today (At least two of Reed, Boone, Winn and Ibanez should have decent days)
4 – Good question.
My high school shop teacher. (The one with eight fingers.)
Big Poppa Pump
1) I’ll take Will Thornton over Matt Thornton, sight unseen
2) Five words: I-90 rest stop in Ellensburg
3) Yes, sometime before June
4) Gardenwhonow?
Gardenhire looks like an overgrown Ewok.
being from NYC its hard to imagine any game of any of our teams not being on television.
Go M’s!
You know, he does look a bit like Big Poppa Pump.
Question 4 – Bucky’s dad?
Looks like a nice 1st from Madritsch… at least from MLB.com gameday. Didn’t throw to many pitches, only 9/2 strikes/balls, etc…
No word on whether Gardenhire yells to his family “HOLLA IF YOU HEAR ME!”
games on tv in minny…good stuff
sexson got all of that one
Mads sure isn’t fooling around today, is he?
madritsch cruising
Yeah Boonie! Finally!
Happy Birthday, Bret Boone.
Did Boone just hit a homer run before Beltre has this year?
Can anyone explain to me why I’m not allowed to watch the Twins-Mariners broadcast on Extra Innings? It’s not on any local station or FSNW or… anything. Weird.
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Wow, Gardy looks buffer without his shirt on than I’d have guessed.
That’s scary.
Wretched bottom of the 3rd. 5 total pitches = 3 outs.
A 4 pitch inning? Come on, guys, y’all could have just not swung at anything and forced the pitcher to actually do some work.
Punto – getting the Ben Davis ‘break up the no-no’ bunt out of the way early?
Innings like that won’t be uncommon with a blackhole at SS batting 9th and Ichiro batting first. Ichi’s awesome, but you know he’s not going to take anything.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
4:16 Happy.
4:17 Not so happy.
juRAT.
I really cant stand the Twins announcing team. Anybody else suffering through these goones?
12:16 AM Happy.
12:17 AM Not so happy.
DMZ, I reckon that showing the alternate broadcast of a local game is a potential violation of the local team’s broadcast deal. I called up comcast last year and gave them a big bitching to, and I remember it having something to with that….sponsors don’t want you watching the game on different channels or something. Very silly.
Anyone care to predict Madritsch’s home run rate this year? I think it’s pretty clearly the most important stat for him, and the one I have no idea how he’ll perform in.
At least Beltre saw more than one pitch…
#30 – I decided to just listen to KOMO instead of watch the Twins broadcast. Also because my broadband at school sometimes makes mlb.tv choppy (can’t wait for good broadband at home)
That seems weird, though, in cases where there isn’t a televised local game. I might see where it makes sense in denying me a choice between FSNW and whatever the Twins feed is (though it might annoy me) but today I don’t get it.
Come on, folks, we all KNEW the pitching staff was the Achilles heel. This surely can’t shock you.
Gee, thanks Raul.
Nice job Ibanez. Real nice.
#35
If things don’t start shaping up in a hurry, I’m gonna switch over to radio too.
#37 – Shocking, no. But I was optimistic we could at least take 2 of 3 from the Twins. Let’s hope the second half of the game turns it around for the M’s.
Also- anyone getting a bad feeling this might be a LOOOONG April for Jeremy Reed?
Yeah, we knew the pitching staff was the Achilles Heel. But I thought Madritsch was one of the guys we could count on. If Moyer or the bullpen is giving up longballs I won’t be surprised at all. But I’m expecting good things out of Mads.
But I was optimistic we could at least take 2 of 3 from the Twins
Hmmm, one team’s a division winner throwing a guy with a good ERA and the AL CYA winner.
One isn’t.
At this point, I’ll settle for .500 at the end of the year. Hell, a 75-87 season means we IMPROVED by 12 games, and it would be clear we still had work to do (which we would even if we lucked into an AL West pennant with 88 wins).
That doesn’t mean I want them to lose, but…perspective.
Madritsch hasn’t been doing all that bad… oh crap, injury delay?
oh crap is right.
MLB Gameday says “injury delay”. WTF?
What happened?
shoulder
No possible good can come of this.
Franklin in for Bobby…this stinks.
WHOSE shoulder?
Mads was replaced. Betcha it was his.
Sigh. Gotta be the labrum. He’s an M’s pitcher, after all.
SUCK!
No possible good can come of this unless your name is Ryan Franklin
Oh, crap. Madritsch
Crap crap crappity crap.
Lessee, Piniero AND Madritsch? (SURE Joel’ll come back from the minors in good shape and will pitch the whole rest of the year with no issue after rest and rehab. I also have oceanfront property in Sedro Woolley to sell.)
Well, this sucks.
bah
Oh no. 64 pitches and out with a sore shoulder? This is very scary.
what’s almost worse is that NOW we have to listen to Rick & Dave go on and on about how Ryan didn’t any run support last year
Let’s welcome Ryan and his absurd necklace back to the rotation shall we??
Franklin had the 9th best ERA in the league two years ago. Don’t you know.
Oh man … Madritsch down in the first start of the season??? I ‘m really, REALLY hoping he’s all right.
If not, I’d like to be the first to give Bob Melvin a hearty “Thanks, jackass” for all the times last year he ran Mads into the ground senselessly.
Fingers crossed …
Bases loaded. Man he works quick.
Mads almost nailed the batter then grabbed his shoulder. It looked like he was in some pain. This really isnt good. Franklin is already getting it handed to him. Bases loaded 1 Out.
The good news, at least, is that it apparently wasn’t “sudden.” He threw to Castro with discomfort, if the chart is correct. It wasn’t some sudden pop or twinge that would make you think it’s a labrum tear or a shredded rotator cuff.
Bad news is that this pattern suggests we’ll be hearing “SPIRO, OKLAHOMA!!!!” 55 times every fifth game for a while.
ha – not running on winn. good advance scouting.
Whew.
If not, I’d like to be the first to give Bob Melvin a hearty “Thanks, jackass†for all the times last year he ran Mads into the ground senselessly.
Don’t forget that Bryan Price gets SOME part of this. It’s pretty clear he and Melvin were sympatico- Melvin wanted Price in Arizona had we let him go in Seattle.
Aah. anotherjeff says it WAS sudden. Well, F**K.
Anyone want to deliver a flaming bag of poo to the Melvin residence in Phoenix tonight?
good point e.coward, well said.
Darg.
don’t get the ‘Spiro, Oklahoma’ reference? enlighten me please. nice job winn. why would you run in that situation? he’s ALREADY IN SCORING POSITION!?!?
REALLY worried about M’s pitching now.
very poor stealing decision.
Really now… why try to steal third there?
Yah I got those twins anouncers on MLB extra innings, a couple of fat nimrods. F-ing baseball I was also optimistic about Mads this year, this is frustrating maybe we can turn this game around…………..wtf is winn bah, and the dandy’s just keep on coming.
Well, this got depressing in a hurry.
Did Winn make the steal call himself or did they send him? He hesitated, which was silly.
As well as… why go in the first place.
Ryan Franklin is from Spiro, OK, for those of you who haven’t heard this 3754234529435 times on M’s broadcasts…
It’s one thing to be aggressive on the bases, it’s another to…..oh whatever!
Baserunning rule #1: Don’t make the first or third out at third base.
Well, since the game’s not on TV, I thought I’d try the radio…but the damn thing’s spitting static for me, so it’s niced to come here and see what I’m missing.
Following the online gamecast, I had no idea Madritsch was hurt. That…pretty much ruins my day.
Dumb move on the botched steal of third there. Just absolutely inexcusable.
gotcha coward. finally got the MLB package this year so I’ll look forward to that.
What’s the over/under on Valdez’ average before he gets released?
Come, that was better.
A decent inning from Franklin and Ichiro is 0-2.
Welcome to bizarro-world…
The one constant? We’re still losing
#80: Winn may have figured that with Valdez on deck, there really already was one out.
Frankie’s ERA is 0.00!!! then again so is Reed’s BA.
Please don’t try to steal.
Pineiro
Moyer
Meche
Franklin
Sele
I dunno, man…
Franklin got through that inning easy enough.
Yeah, It looked kind of sudden with Mads. But honestly, I wasnt watching his face before hand to see if he was showing any signs. Afterall, why would I?
They just said Bobby M left with a “strained left shoulder”
These geniuses keep saying “Ishiro”
Rizzo reports a “strained left shoulder” for Mads.
#86 – Exactly. With Wilson and Valdez coming up, it might not be so bad to try to take 3rd to score on one of the two ground outs that are sure to follow.
I hate double plays. Are we allowed a 5 man batting order?
And, I think Vadez may get released before Jeremy Reed gets a hit, at this rate.
Is it just me, or is 2 GIDP and 1 CS bad baseball?
Your shoulder is where your labrum is, BTW. And as I recall, Bobby’s ALREADY had one torn labrum.
“Strained left shoulder?” Yeah, whatever. They’ll rush him back out there, he’ll suck, the real diagnosis will come out, and it’s Rafael Soriano all over again.
If I were one of these bazillionaires who owned the team, I’d have a chopper pad put in so that they could fly him straight to Swedish or UW where real orthopedic surgeons could tell me what the hell was up.
“Strained shoulder” my ass. A broken leg is a “strained quad” to them. Wonder how they’d describe a heart attack.
Easy people. It’s only been a few minutes and I’m sure the initial press statement isn’t intended to be a definitive diagnosis.
At least Boone’s having a good day
A triple and Boone has the cycle.
great, let us hope that the wilson/valdez blackhole doesn’t destroy this oppurtunity.
And crap, now here goes Franklin with that deceptive “good pitcher” look that suckers everyone in to thinking he’s worth keeping in the rotation.
He’s like that urban legend that keeps getting recast with new people and new locale (Proctor and Gamble are run by satanists! I heard it on (Nightline||Donahue||Sally Jesse||Geraldo||Oprah||Touched By An Angel)!!!). No matter now many times that secretary down in accounting reads it, she STILL forwards it to you and a few hundred other people, because she reads it as fact irregardless of what she’s heard in the past. And so, Franklin will be lauded for “saving the game” and will get his rotation spot back, only to suck mightily. And then, Rizzs will make that “no run support” excuse yet again.
I tell you what, let’s trade him RIGHT NOW. I mean, call Steinbrenner up, tell him that he knows Kevin Brown will be on the DL for the rest of the year, so hey, why not send us something for Franklin? I mean, you KNOW his problem is run support, and is there no better offense in all of baseball than those MIGHTY Yankees? Surely he sees the wisdom in that. If he doesn’t, then there’s Boston. Or Arizona. Or Colorado. Or Texas….
Good news: Bases loaded.
Bad news: Dan Wilson Valdez coming up.
wow, i speak too fast. thanks dan!!!
how bout a f-ing pinch hitter
… why. WHY??????
3 DPs in a day and 1 CS. *sigh*
Bases loaded, Wilson and Valdez coming up….never mind.
*Sets fire to his couch*
The Yankees have absolutely nothing to trade us for Franklin. Or to trade anybody else for any other pitcher. The cupboard is bare.
I would much much rather see Franklin in the rotation than Felix called up now and thrown in the breech. Felix’ shoulder is too valuable.
Bobby will be OK. He has that medicine wheel on his arm after all.
#105- I was thinking the same thing, then stopped myself before I made the statement public. Who do you bring off the bench that is a far better hitter than Dan Wilson? Wow, that puts it in perspective for me.
Dan Wilson, my hero.
Dobbs ain’t a bad hitter, got one last night…plus he’s lefty.
Wonder how they’d describe a heart attack.
“Shortness of breath”
Agree – there’s no one to PH for Wilson, and as much as I hate Franklin, he’s pretty clearly our best option for a fifth starter right now. Trading him for nothing isn’t going to fix anything.
Dobbs is terrible. Wilsonesque even.
Your joking right as that rally started I knew Wilson was coming up and I got a bad feeling, I mean I understand you want Olivio to get a night off but even speizio would have been better than Dan right there or Dobbs or Bloomquest.
“Shortness of breathâ€Â
Too straightforward. I’m thinking “mild aortic sprain.”
“Trading him for nothing isn’t going to fix anything.”
That’s arguable.
how bout a f-ing pinch hitter
Who would you suggest?
Incidentally, DMZ. . I’m 99% sure that if you implemented the ‘are you a spammer’ as a hidden form input rather than a dropdown that actually has to be changed, it would still solve the problem, and I wouldn’t have to resubmit half the time. I did this on a wiki and it instantly solved the spammer problem. They don’t actually parse the form field, they just submit with known parameters.
This is 2005 right? I am not looking at a box score right now that says 9 hits and 1 run, right? This isn’t 2004 right? Right? Please…..
The Yankees have absolutely nothing to trade us for Franklin. Or to trade anybody else for any other pitcher. The cupboard is bare.
I wouldn’t go that far. Eric Duncan’s a prospect.
Then who do you start sidereal? Baek? Villone? God forbid Thornton? Seriously, what other option do we have at this point?
Villone just nailed Morneau in the head. He doesnt look good.
I see another injury delay on Gameday. This can’t be good.
sidereal –
That might be a great idea, but I have no idea what you’re talking about, or how to build it. Sorry.
We start the FA we signed in the offseason…oh wait, that didn’t happen.
Oh. Yuck, that’s not good either.
Ichiro’s coming up next inning… hope he ducks.
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No big deal, but the ‘you didn’t answer the question’ page is starting to burn into my retinas.
Whoops, should be
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Oh crap, Morneau’s on my fantasy team. I hope he’s OK. Ichiro better watch out.
The image of Matt Thornton giving up runs has already been burnt into mine.
OK, that was a bit of an overstatement, but they wouldn’t trade Duncan for Franklin. Maybe they would trade Duncan for Madritsch’s labrum, Soriano’s ulnar collateral ligament, and Guardado’s rotator cuff. And the hook of Lopez’ hamate bone.
Way to swing the bat there, Dobbs. At least he got a 5 pitch at bat out of it, though…
He’s back up to .500.
I wonder if anybody has ever had a higher batting average than his team’s winning percentage?
Did I mention Dobbs isn’t any good?
OK, answering my own question, 3 members of the 03 Tigers did.
sorry for the delay.
Why was Ibanez playing LF last night? He cost the team a run or two.
Do our hopes of the spring have to die so early?
Beltre chased that very same pitch last night.
Danny’s such a good guy that I’m sure the Safeco fans didn’t mind that he hit into that DP.
Dave actually disagreed when Rizz said something stupid – how Ichiro stealing in the 8th inning down 3 runs was a good play. Amazing.
So who is the first M to be traded this season? Moyer? He wants a ring, he’ll have a decent record by the ASB, Wells will be hurt or the Yanks will want him.
What do you think?
LOL ChrisK…he shouldn’t have been up there.
I predict Boone will be traded.
I don’t think Moyer will never be traded by this ownership team, even if they can get good value for him. The suburban family-types love him and (at worst) I would imagine Lincoln will just ask him and Wilson to announce their retirement together a la Edgar last year. Then they can milk the sentimentality in Aug-Sept for a late-summer ticket boost.
Did we just do TWO pitch outs from a guy who just gave up a four pitch walk? Odd.
18 pitches – 8 strikes.
Oops, meant to say “ever”, not “never”.
Just noticed on ESPN game-day that Thorton has an 81 ERA. Pretty impressive.
Please tell me we’ll put in someone–anyone–if we actually get to Dan’s spot in the lineup this inning.
And please remember that the worst thing Sexson could do here would be to hit a homerun. (Shakes head)
Don’t worry we won’t reach Wilson’s spot. Or Bloomquist’s.
Hm.
Small sample size and all…
Runs scored so far:
Tampa Bay 13
Arizona 11
Kansas City 9
Seattle 10
We’re up there with the big boys!
BTW, Rincon to Nathan looks about as Everyday as Eddie used to be…
For some reason, I’m much more annoyed at today then I was yesterday.
Add a possible injury to our team weakness and that feeling gets worse.
10 hits, 1 run for your Seattle Mariners.
WHAT A SHOW!
This game can be summarized in 24 characters…
Mads hurt. M’s Bats: 3DPs, CS.
Who do I sugest pinch hitting for Wilson? The little girl that fields the foul balls down the line, I bet she would have atleast got down to first quicker. I supose it is better to have a reality check now rather than later.
I’d suggest Mike Hargrove as a pinch hitter, NY Mariner.
I’m sure he can still hit.
I missed the game – didn’t know about the early start.
How on Earth did the M’s pull off such a 2004-esque line as 1 run on 10 hits?
I will say this again, and will continue to do so until either I’m reprimanded by the site bosses or my idea catches on: if you try to work your fantasy team into a disucssion, you should be banned from posting for a month.
For all you MLB extra innings subscribers, I just discovered that on their website you can configure email delivery of the extra innings schedule to you on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Pretty cool.
Still no word on the offical “logic” of the local blackout restrictions.
Best injury of the season so far:
DENVER (AP)  Colorado Rockies outfielder Dustan Mohr was placed on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday with a strained left calf, an injury that occurred during the team’s victory celebration in its season opener.
As the players charged to the field to celebrate Clint Barmes’ winning two-run homer that led Colorado to a 12-10 comeback victory Monday, Mohr was injured while jumping out of the Rockies’ dugout.
To answer the Gardenhire question, I think he reminds me of Lou.
Not only does he have the NL style ball in the AL, he’s a winner and has the temper.
I think he may even have the girth too.
Just gotta say that this play-by-play commenting is a real hoot. Especially if you are not able to see (or hear) the game. Much funner to read through 160+ comments than to read the outcome on some other site. You can almost “feel” the game this way.
I’m sure it will get old eventually but keep it up for at least a few more games!
Nah, these game threads are great.
But wow, what a crappy game.
jason
Just got back to work from the game. It was even worse live.
I am looking forward to off season.
I am not going to make any harsh judgements after 3 games, but I will say I am not too impressed with Mike Hargrove as a manager so far.
JMB, not sure if you were “nah’ing” to me but I was saying that these threads are great too!
I am not a lip-reader, but watching on MLB I could have sworn I saw Madritsch say something like “it’s the same thing as before” to BP before walking off the field. Sounds to me like he thinks he re-injured the labrum. The look on his face was truly mournful.
Some clubs are going to have more injuries than others due to bad luck. The rash of young M’s pitchers suffering major arm/shoulder injuries over the last 3-4 years could just be a fluke (and certainly Mads had been injured before). Or maybe it’s time for the organization to have a complete review of the conditioning/training regimens for their pitchers. Couldn’t hurt.
Can’t help but wonder if Grover’s tougher spring workouts aren’t somehow connected to the rash of pitcher injuries! Joel, Eddie, now Bobby. Somehow I have trouble picturing Eddie (or Julio Mateo for that matter) jogging without a big stick prodding them, and wasn’t that the reason they gave for him hurting his hamstring? Hoping it’s just coincidence…
Sheri,
Joel and Eddie were injured before Mike Hargrove was even with the Mariners.
And all we know about Mads is that he has a mild strain, no word on how long he is going to be out.
It’s only been 3 games.
Relax.
3 games.
It’ll be okay.
Yeah, I went to the game this afternoon and it was pretty painful to watch, even beyond Morneau’s beaning. The Twins seemed to have a penchant for bunting today (and successfully, too).
Boone had a pretty nice 3 for 4 birthday showing though; that was good, considering he hadn’t hit anything yet. And Ichiro’s again on track for what, 320 hits this year?
I didn’t think Franklin looked that bad out there today, especially considering he kinda came in out of nowhere after Madritsch’s injury. Better than Ron “What strike zone?” Villone, that’s for sure.
Hmm, looks like Sele’s starting on Friday against Chan Ho Park. Wheeeeee!
I’ll be at Friday’s game, hopefully Sele pitches decently.
Best seats I’ve ever had for a game too, so I’m excited.
You guys are depressing. We went 1-2 against the defending AL Central champ, throwing Johan Santana and Brad Radke against us. If you had offered me a 1-2 series before it started, I’d have taken it just to avoid the chance of getting swept to start the year.
But Dave, we were up 4-0 on Santana, then gave up a touchdown. The offense has been good early but horrid late. The pitching has been as awful as advertised.
Three games so far: good, bad, and abysmal. 159 to go, but I’m not liking what I’m seeing so far.
Of course, it can’t get worse… right?
The team has given up 13 runs in 3 games, or 4.33 runs per game. Last year, they gave up 5.08 runs per game.
Saying the pitching has been “horrid” isn’t just an overstatement, it’s just not true.
What were your expectations for the first series? That we’d beat Radke and Santana? Really?
Dave I’d feel a lot better about these two games if the outcome to the games were the same but Mads was not injured. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how that ends up. For now though, I’m worried about that.
Madritsch’ shoulder is “mildly strained”.
Morneau’s CAT scan came back negative for a concussion or fracture, and he was cleared to fly home. According to him “I wasn’t dizzy or anything, so that’s good. I’ve had a few concussions before. I’ve been kicked in the back of the head with a hockey skate once.”
Ichiro wasn’t in danger of being hit as everyone knew it was an accident.
Dustin Mohr is thanking his lucky stars that unlike Tagg Bozied he only strainjed something leaping up & down.
I agree Dave, no shame in splitting with the Twins. Especially those pitchers.
I think the problem, ironicly, is that the team got our hopes up by playing better than we expected.
That said… I think there are valid points of concern coming out of this series. For one thing… the continued Mariner infatuation with bad relievers. And putting Ibanez in right for game two – I’d like to know the thinking behind that. The inopportune caught stealings.
Meaning I am more concerned about choices than I am about performance. All the things that can be and perhaps will be corrected. And mostly things that I think you covered before the season started.
#182 John in L.A. said: “I agree Dave, no shame in splitting with the Twins. Especially those pitchers.”
and that defense. and hitting.
“I think there are valid points of concern coming out of this series. For one thing… the continued Mariner infatuation with bad relievers. And putting Ibanez in right for game two – I’d like to know the thinking behind that.”
I’m just hoping that Hargrove is a quick learner– that he sees some game-situations this week, and fixes them by next…
Dave – Maybe not. But the M’s got Santana on a day that he was off and jumped on him early. That game could have been a win.
time to thank melvin for that overuse last year (120+ pitch outings, for god’s sake)!
#177.
Thats how I’m feeling after some sleep and coffee.
The Twins have shown that they are going to be tough this year and have the pitching we wish we had. Taking the first game against Radke is a pretty good thing. I’m still a couple weeks away from doomsday mentality. Really the biggest pitching issue was Thornton. Thornton was getting himself behind in the count on every batter, throwing first and second pitch balls. Well,we all know the story. There is no way to tell, but I think Meche gets out of that inning if he is allowed to. Then the landscape of the opening series is completely changed. I think when Reed and Ibanez come into form, especially Reed, run production gets much better. Ichiro, Belte, Sexon, and as of lastnight Boone, are doing their jobs. Starting pitching really hasnt been bad at all. I dont think things are as bleak as they may seem to some. I dont see a division title, but I do see a team that makes it tough on the one who wins it. If this team can pull that off, we should be satisfied for this year.
Re: (# 9) – Mariner games not on TV –
“being from NYC its hard to imagine any game of any of our teams not being on television.”
Be of good cheer. Things could be worse. And soon will be.
Next week the Ms play three (3) games in KC. None(0)of them are to be televised.
Not only is it only 3 games, but it’s three games against a team that’s a heavy favourite to win its division again. The Twins are a pretty good team. Losing 2 of 3 to them isn’t a disaster.
We just have to make sure we don’t lose 2 of 3 to teams like KC.
KJR were announcing this morning that Bobby Madritsch’s condition was diagnosed as “strained shoulder” with return unsure, but certain to miss next start.
If they MRI’d the shoulder straight away. I understand that sometimes swelling can hide or disguise the real injury. Maybe we will have to wait several days for a more accurate diagnosis.
Why was OLIVO pinch-hit for in the Tuesday game, and WILSON was not pinch-hit for in the Wednesday game?
Anyone?
#190 and others: I think I figured out one reason why Dan Wilson was batting in that situation.
According to the ESPN Game update page I was using to watch the “live” game stats, Dan Wilson’s historical line vs. Silva was 4-5, 0 HR (.800 BA). Even after going 0-3 against Silva this time around, he’s still got a respectable 4-8 (.500 BA) against him.
I’m sure Hargrove and Wilson both thought he’d have a shot at getting a hit based on past performance.
Looking at Dan’s 2004 numbers, it looks like he batted .318 against MIN, but I can’t find 2004 batter vs. pitcher stats to verify what he did vs. Silva.