Game 15, A’s at Mariners

Jeff · April 20, 2005 at 7:11 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Can Barry Zito look like the Zito of old against the M’s? Will Joel Pineiro pitch with the rage of an inflamed flexor bundle? We’re finding out as we speak. Use this as a game thread …

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230 Responses to “Game 15, A’s at Mariners”

  1. change on April 20th, 2005 7:13 pm

    So far so good. Tiem for me to leave work and check this out!

  2. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 7:14 pm

    I think “Inflamed Flexor Bundle” was Speizio’s second choice for a band name.

    Bigger question… will Niehaus ever say “Eh-RUBE-ee-el” instead of “Eh-REE-bee-el?”

  3. Jeff on April 20th, 2005 7:15 pm

    He should just call him “Ruby.”

  4. Mike Bannan on April 20th, 2005 7:17 pm

    Why is Bloomquist starting? Is Reed hurt, or do they just want to let the joke play a game in center? I would rather see the newly brought up choo playing out there, anyone know the story behind bloom starting.

  5. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:20 pm

    Wow. Wonder how long Zito’s going to last throwing like this.

  6. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 7:22 pm

    So, if you’ve just handed away your two most dominant starters, keeping only the guy on the mound and two unproven young guys…how comfortable do you feel right now?

    The retooling may have been a good idea, and maybe Zito will have a good year. But he’s not looking like the guy I want to be my ace. Oh, and I’m already tired of hearing about how Zito’s numbers last year don’t really count because 2002 was so good.

  7. Jeff on April 20th, 2005 7:22 pm

    Oh, I love Lasik!

  8. change on April 20th, 2005 7:23 pm

    Holy crap! Grand Salami time!!!

  9. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 7:24 pm

    Woo! Lasik pays off!

  10. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:24 pm

    Alright, Boonie!! Wonder if I have any salami in the fridge…

  11. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 7:24 pm

    And putting in I meant. Yes, I do know it’s a five man rotation.

  12. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 7:25 pm

    Hmm, Jeff, it appears that Jeffs think alike. :)

  13. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:25 pm

    does anybody know the quote neihous always says with a grand slam? beside grand salami

  14. RL on April 20th, 2005 7:25 pm

    Why is Bloomquist not hitting 9th? I guess I can’t get too worked up at the moment.

  15. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 7:25 pm

    Correction: Barry Zito will be working in a skateboard shop by September 2006. He sucks.

  16. RL on April 20th, 2005 7:26 pm

    Re 13: rye bread, mustard, Grandma, etc.

  17. RL on April 20th, 2005 7:26 pm

    Hearing Rizz do the call isn’t quite the same . . .

  18. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:27 pm

    16. hoping for a little bit more, but i get the idea

  19. KW on April 20th, 2005 7:27 pm

    Get out the rye bread and mustard grandma? That’s the only other standard I can think of…

  20. Mike Bannan on April 20th, 2005 7:28 pm

    I believe it is GET OUT THE RYE BREAD AND MUSTARD GRANDMA, ITS GRRAANNDDD SSAAALLLLAAAMMMIII TIIIMMMEEE!!!

  21. firova on April 20th, 2005 7:29 pm

    Well, he has been known to say:
    Break out the rye bread and mustard, Grandma, it’s grand salami time!

    But he doesn’t say it every time.

    #14 What are you talking about? WFB came into the game with a .333 BA. He should be hitting second.

  22. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:29 pm

    fair enough..its about time i hear what he says

  23. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:29 pm

    I believe the full quote is: “Get out the rye bread and the mustard, Grandma! It’s grand salami time!”

  24. KW on April 20th, 2005 7:30 pm

    Was that Bloomquist’s fault, or Joel’s?

  25. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:30 pm

    oops, #20 said it better

  26. Tom on April 20th, 2005 7:32 pm

    If you are Raul coming to the plate, and Zito has walked two guys, thrown a ton of bad pitches, and what… I don’t know… given up a grand slam…

    Would it have killed him to take a few pitches? That seems like lousy game awareness to me.

  27. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 7:33 pm

    #24

    Come on. Are you kidding? Didn’t you see the hard nosed, throw back player kind of effort that the WB put out there? Nothing is his fault. Just ask Bob M.

  28. firova on April 20th, 2005 7:35 pm

    So when will Sexson be able to play first again? Valle said Raul’s “feet went out from under him,” preventing him “from getting full extension” on the ground ball. This is serious problem for a baseball player, I should think.

  29. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:35 pm

    hand needs to big abit bigger adrian…

  30. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 7:35 pm

    Aww… Poor Adri-Adri looks stupid.

  31. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:36 pm

    good job joel…(thornton anyone)? jk…i think

  32. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 7:37 pm

    Silly NHK. Show the Yankees and not the M’s and I miss the grand slam.

  33. Jeff on April 20th, 2005 7:37 pm

    A hit for Scutaro? Really?

  34. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:37 pm

    so much for the complete game shutout..

  35. KW on April 20th, 2005 7:37 pm

    And jes’ like that, it’s a one-run game.

  36. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 7:38 pm

    I bet either or both teams score 10+ runs.

  37. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:39 pm

    Sure looked like an error on Beltre to me.

  38. Marty Lighthizer on April 20th, 2005 7:40 pm

    To Macha and Hargrove: Leave both of these guys in there until the 7th and see how many crooked numbers appear…

  39. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 7:41 pm

    Who would have said that the Zito and Pineiro would have had ERAs over 7 to start the game and they would go up?

  40. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 7:41 pm

    Dear Miguel,

    Please, get better.

  41. Chris on April 20th, 2005 7:42 pm

    I like how Ron Fairly says Valdez had a “pretty good idea” attempting to bunt for a base hit. As if that’s not the same idea he has every time he goes to the plate.

  42. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 7:43 pm

    Lets hope for an Ichiro! ralley.

  43. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 7:47 pm

    Someone buy that fan a beer for thinking twice before interfering

  44. Jay R. on April 20th, 2005 7:51 pm

    “If you are Raul coming to the plate, and Zito has walked two guys, thrown a ton of bad pitches, and what… I don’t know… given up a grand slam…

    Would it have killed him to take a few pitches? That seems like lousy game awareness to me. ”

    I was yelling at the TV- Zito had thrown, what? 12/14 balls? God forbid he take a pitch. There was plenty of time to roll one over to the 2nd baseman when the count is 2-1. Arrggh.

    Then he comes out and misses a fairly routine ball that leads (along with the “hit” to Beltre- I am sure Joel’s ERA loved that scoring decision) to a 3 run inning. Godawful.

  45. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 7:56 pm

    i don’t think hargrove knows what “legitimizes” means.

  46. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 7:57 pm

    Has anyone heard if Sexson is feeling any better? I see he is DH again. I hope he can shake this bug so he can get back on the field.

  47. chas on April 20th, 2005 7:58 pm

    boonie???…nice showing of speed, i guess

  48. Phil on April 20th, 2005 7:58 pm

    Nice SB by Boonie.

  49. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 7:59 pm

    Somewhere in the Bay Area, Alyssa Milano is hastily packing her belongs and entering the Government’s Bad Athlete Girlfriend Protection Program ….

  50. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 7:59 pm

    belongings

  51. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 8:00 pm

    49: I thought Zito was already enrolled in the Bad Actress Protection Program…

  52. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:01 pm

    So, does Grover let WFB swing 3-0?
    Amazing.

  53. Jeff on April 20th, 2005 8:01 pm

    did bloomie really get a sign to swing 3-0?

  54. RL on April 20th, 2005 8:01 pm

    Bloomquist swinging 3-0? When Zito can’t throw a strike? AARGH

  55. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:01 pm

    if only they wouldve collided

  56. Chris on April 20th, 2005 8:02 pm

    My eyeballs just about fell out of their sockets when Bloomquist swung at that 3-0 pitch.

  57. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:02 pm

    hold on, still lookin for mine

  58. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 8:02 pm

    Not only that but he can’t even bring in Boone from thrid with the fly out.

  59. sodo on April 20th, 2005 8:03 pm

    Does Willie’s fly count as a productive out? ;)

  60. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:03 pm

    Bloomquist was just building strength on 3-0 for that sac fly effort on the next pitch.

  61. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:03 pm

    and so it goes

  62. Dave on April 20th, 2005 8:03 pm

    If you’re Barry Zito, and you have one of the best curve balls in baseball, facing Miguel Olivo, who couldn’t hit my breaking ball, why would you ever throw him a fastball?

    And Jim, I’d trade any pitcher in the M’s current rotation for Zito straight up.

  63. Phil on April 20th, 2005 8:06 pm

    Damn he’s calling him Clyde again.

  64. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 8:07 pm

    I wouldn’t. He has the worst performance-to-reputation ration in baseball.

  65. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 8:07 pm

    ratio

  66. John in L.A. on April 20th, 2005 8:08 pm

    I am stunned that he let WB swing on 3-0. That’s just ridiculous. Even more ridiculous than letting him play center.

    off-topic… I am extremely jealous of the deal the Sox just managed to sign with Wakefield. We need a Wakefield. They are useful to have around.

    BUt it made me think, this deal-for-life business… if the Mariners hear about it they might offer one to Bloomquist.

  67. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 8:08 pm

    It is interesting to note how many young position players that Oakland has developed/acqured as compared to Seattle.

  68. Dave on April 20th, 2005 8:09 pm

    Fine, he’s overrated because he won a Cy Young and he’s not going to be that good again. But you can be simultaneously overrated and still solid. I don’t see any argument for preferring Moyer, Sele, or Franklin, and the cases for Meche and Pineiro would be built more around hope and faith than any kind of objective reasoning.

  69. John in L.A. on April 20th, 2005 8:10 pm

    Just our of curiosity, Jim… which of our pitchers would you keep instead of Zito?

    I think my list would start and end with King Felix. And I don’t think he even counts.

  70. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:11 pm

    Look out. Joel just lowered his ERA to 7.45. They really need him this year, so I hope it keeps going down.

  71. Nate on April 20th, 2005 8:14 pm

    I wish we swung at more high fastballs.

  72. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 8:16 pm

    I’d keep Pineiro and Meche, because I have more faith in the possibility that they’ll put it together. I just don’t believe Zito is going to ever get past his struggles. Lots of talented pitchers flame out early. And the money issue is paramount — too many people believe Zito is a premium pitcher and will pay premium money for him.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree. Right now, Barry Zito doesn’t do much to help a team will a ballgame.

  73. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 8:18 pm

    64: Kerry Wood holds that spot on my list.

  74. Sheri on April 20th, 2005 8:19 pm

    Zito sure has been wild tonight! He sure seems threatened by Beltre and Sexson. Man, I’d be intimidated by Beltre – that face he puts on in the batters box is wicked! :)

  75. Deacon Blues on April 20th, 2005 8:19 pm

    #72: I agree, Jim. Zito has a hard time keeping his team in the game.

    I would rather have Rich Harden or Dan Haren; they both have a much higher ceiling than Zito.

  76. Dave on April 20th, 2005 8:21 pm

    Jim,

    Pick a pitcher.

    A: 4.67 ERA, 7.10 K/9, 2.58 K/BB, .265/.321/.442 opponents against
    B: 4.48 ERA, 6.89 K/9, 2.01 K/BB, .263/.333/.427 opponents against

    If you think there’s a huge difference between Zito and Pineiro’s recent performance, good luck finding it objectively. It just isn’t there.

    And Zito has a much better track record prior to ’04. And he doesn’t have arm problems.

    I can’t even begin to come up with a reason to take Meche over Zito, so I won’t even try. You seem to think Zito is much, much worse than he really is.

  77. Marty Lighthizer on April 20th, 2005 8:22 pm

    I’m in Jim’s camp. There comes a point in many award-winning players’ careers where their relatively ‘solid’ performance and past reputation fails to outweigh the heavy contracts they demand…

  78. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 8:23 pm

    75 – However, Jim’s assertion was to keep Meche/Pineiro over Zito. Bringing Harden/Haren completely changes his assertion.

  79. Chuck on April 20th, 2005 8:23 pm

    If Pineiro can go another inning, it would be a solid start. 6 IP, 3 ER, and he didn’t kill himself with the walks.

  80. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 8:24 pm

    Let’s revisit this issue late this season and see what we think.

  81. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:24 pm

    Joel is certainly more efficient than Zito tonight. BZ has already thrown 75 pitches in 4 innings; JP has only 60 in 5 against a team renowned for deep-count at-bats.

  82. Dave on April 20th, 2005 8:26 pm

    All I’m looking for is a reason, Jim. Give me something to think you’re not just pissed off that he uses aroma candles and a blanky.

  83. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:26 pm

    beltres hard singles and doubles are nice…but show some of your league leading power sometimes

  84. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 8:27 pm

    81 – It is reassuring to see JP get through the 5th.

  85. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:28 pm

    brush prarie..havent heard that for awhile

  86. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 8:28 pm

    82- Hilarious but don’t forget Milano.

  87. Christopher Michael on April 20th, 2005 8:30 pm

    Just noticed something… Choo was born the same day I was.

  88. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 8:31 pm

    A: 4.67 ERA, 7.10 K/9, 2.58 K/BB, .265/.321/.442 opponents against
    B: 4.48 ERA, 6.89 K/9, 2.01 K/BB, .263/.333/.427 opponents against

    Hmm, and their salaries are closer than I thought. I didn’t think we were paying Joel this much, but ESPN lists him at $4.7 mil and Zito is only making $900k more.

    Still, I’m not entirely sure I would make the straight up trade. They both have question marks, I think Zito will command much more money once his contract runs out than Joel will, and last year just doesn’t feel like a huge fluke to me. Especially looking over his periphirals for 2003 and 2004.

  89. Aaron in IL on April 20th, 2005 8:32 pm

    Remind me of Zito and Joel’s ages. I’d either pick the younger or the one with fewer pitches thrown.

  90. Aaron in IL on April 20th, 2005 8:33 pm

    A four way tie in the AL West? Wow. I didn’t realize that.

  91. Jim Thomsen on April 20th, 2005 8:33 pm

    Because he has a progressive record, from 2003 on, of losing control of his stuff. And his celebrated curve has been awfully hittable since the start of ’04. His K-W and K-to-9-innings ratios ratios are not good, and portend little future promise of improvement in their trends (such as they are). In fact, they’re getting worse. He just looks to me like Generic Wild Young Stud #447A. He doesn’t much resemble his Cy Young self, in delivery, release point, mound demeanor or pitch selection. There’s something seriously wrong with him that anybody can see just by watching him, and if nobody has been able to pinpoint it by now, I’m not sure anybody ever will.

    I believe, by contrast, Piniero and Meche will figure things out. That’s more gut feeling than numbers, but I think they’re more mechanically sound, and, for the money, I’d much rather let them work out their problems than let Zito hold my payroll hostage with his maddening mediocrity.

    I have nothing against Zito personally.

  92. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:34 pm

    Zito’s lefthandedness will allow him to continue into the Terry Mulholland-Jeff Fassero twilight zone if he continues his mediocre ways. He’ll still get at least one good payday.

  93. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:37 pm

    I forget Rick Honeycutt, another ex-Mariner lefty who just kept going, and going . . .

  94. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 8:37 pm

    But there are some difference.

    K/9: Pineiro Zito
    2003 7.1 5.67
    2004 7.94 6.89

    K/BB: Pineiro Zito
    2003 1.99 1.66
    2004 2.58 2.01

    Sure, Zito dominated in ERA in 2003, and looked slightly better in AVG/OBP/SLG against in 2003, but it’s not like everything points to Zito being a better pitcher this year (or next).

  95. Chuck on April 20th, 2005 8:39 pm

    looks like Piniero’s losing his control

  96. Christopher Michael on April 20th, 2005 8:41 pm

    Joel getting killed by the 8th and 9th spots in the order.

  97. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 8:41 pm

    Well, I should say more than slightly. In 2004 he was just slightly better in those numbers, in 2003 those three did have quite a bit of difference.

  98. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:42 pm

    How frustrating. JP gives up all four runs after two outs in the inning.

  99. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:43 pm

    Love this trio coming up. Sad.

  100. Aaron in IL on April 20th, 2005 8:46 pm

    Nice catch by Swisher – I like the replacing the divot. Nice touch. Save the carpet.

  101. Graham on April 20th, 2005 8:47 pm

    Olivo got a hit!

  102. Christopher Michael on April 20th, 2005 8:49 pm

    And so did Valdez!

  103. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 8:49 pm

    Actually, the interesting this is that his strikeouts massively plummeted in 2003 and his home runs were pretty low, but his ERA still looked good. Then in 2004 his strikeouts climbed back up somewhat, but his homeruns went up some and his ERA tanked.

    Could you find his batting average on balls in play for 2003/2004? It looks to me like the 2003 ERA may be a feature of overperforming defense, and then that luck caught up with him last year.

  104. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:49 pm

    Why is it that baseball players “run well” but never “run fast”? (Niehaus on Olivo)

    You know, Wilson Valdez has done exactly what was asked of him. I think he’s going to stick as Reese’s backup.

  105. John in L.A. on April 20th, 2005 8:51 pm

    Olivo and Valdez back to back. Nice.

    C’mon Ichiro.

    /I’ll still take Zito, thanks, over any of our guys. And when he wants a big payday… I’ll trade him for more than you’ll ever get for Piniero.

    And MLBTV is horrible for me tonight. Unwatchable.

  106. Chris on April 20th, 2005 8:51 pm

    You think they’re going to keep Valdez over Bloomquist? I don’t.

  107. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:51 pm

    ichi, looking a bit shocked after that pitch

  108. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:52 pm

    Ichiro’s going to knock Zito out on pitch count alone.

  109. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 8:54 pm

    #105

    I was having problems too. I switched to Real instead of Windows Media. Night and Day the difference. I havent frozen up yet.

  110. happygolucky on April 20th, 2005 8:56 pm

    #105 & 109

    Real worked for me as well. Windows Media sucks for watching the game on MLB TV for some reason.

  111. chas on April 20th, 2005 8:56 pm

    what market is mlbtv broadcasting for the game tonight?

  112. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 8:57 pm

    How do you like that? 8 and 9 get hits. 1 and 2 can’t make it happen.

  113. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 8:58 pm

    #111

    I’m getting the Seattle feed

  114. firova on April 20th, 2005 8:58 pm

    106 I think both will stay, because as we know, Willie is the best centerfielder on the team. Dobbs will be superfluous once Spiezio comes back (as if he wasn’t already) and Thornton is another meltdown away from a dfa. The thing is, the papers had completely contradictory reports on Reese this week. I’m not sure anyone really knows what his problem is. He may not play for a while. Since he will be pinch-hit for often when he does return, I can see WV as a late-inning defensive replacement. That would be worth more than what Dobbs gives them.

  115. Matt on April 20th, 2005 8:58 pm

    Seattle tonight. I’ve had better performance with realspyware player than windowsdrm player.

  116. John in L.A. on April 20th, 2005 8:59 pm

    anotherjeff… thank you! I did that last week and it worked… but apparently didn’t save my preferences. Your reminder fixed my problem.

    Wow. Pineiro’s pitch count is low. He could. Go. All. The. Way.

  117. zzyzx on April 20th, 2005 8:59 pm

    Just got home. The HD feed is amazing! Stromotion though – it turns out – is standard definition only.

    Now if only I could see a M’s run or two.

  118. chas on April 20th, 2005 9:00 pm

    good save by ibanez… sexson couldve stayed on first with his wing span

  119. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:00 pm

    John in LA.

    No Problem. I cant believe the difference!

  120. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:04 pm

    #114-Reese is on a rehab assignment to Inland Empire. He had two hits yesterday.

  121. firova on April 20th, 2005 9:07 pm

    120 There remain contradictory reports on his arm. Two hits is a rarity. Maybe he’ll arrive red-hot.

  122. boo nelson on April 20th, 2005 9:08 pm

    woohoo doyle!!! sorry…heh

  123. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:12 pm

    Street looks like he could be good.

    #122
    Update??

  124. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 9:14 pm

    Here comes the Dobber!

  125. Graham on April 20th, 2005 9:15 pm

    I wonder if we’ll see Dobbs PH’ing for Olivo

  126. Marty Lighthizer on April 20th, 2005 9:15 pm

    Check out the mini stat sheet for Huston Street — 13 Ks in 31 batters faced.

    Oh, no — it’s Miguel. Make that 14 Ks…

  127. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:15 pm

    Bases loaded, two outs, and we get…Dobbs??!! crap

  128. Christopher Michael on April 20th, 2005 9:15 pm

    Dobbs… our wonder bat off the bench.

  129. MoscowJeff on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Dobber!!!

  130. Ben on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Has hell frozen over? Or has Dobbs actually gotten a hit?

  131. Miles on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Dobbs looks really nervous

  132. Marty Lighthizer on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    I mean Dobbs…
    Still a K is a K.

  133. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Retract previous statement. Nice hit, Dobbs.

  134. Graham on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    I wonder no longer. For some reason I thought we had a three man bench because in my mind I had mereged Spezio and Dobbs into one person.

  135. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    That was cool. Like Dobbs or not, that was cool.

  136. Miles on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    And just like that, i eat my words

  137. firova on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Dobbs- I take it all back!

  138. Morgan on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    Holy crap, Dobbs did it!

    In other news, I think I just pissed my neighbors off with a shout and a clap. In no way did I expect that.

  139. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:16 pm

    whaholy crap

  140. Marty Lighthizer on April 20th, 2005 9:17 pm

    Oops. Run scoring play. Sorry for the time lag…

  141. John in L.A. on April 20th, 2005 9:17 pm

    I give Hargrove credit for subbing Willie with Reed. Not sure if Melvin would have.

    I get the feeling that Hargrove might make good use of a good bench… if he had it.

  142. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 9:18 pm

    WOW! 2 pintch hitters and 2 hits. That is a good sign.

  143. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:18 pm

    Huston looks really constipated.

  144. Matt Staples on April 20th, 2005 9:20 pm

    What are the odds we’ll hear “Huston, we have a problem” on SportsCenter tonight (assuming they actually play highlights from the games out here in a podunk like Seattle)? My neighbors were hating me as well when that ball got by Byrnes.

  145. Miles on April 20th, 2005 9:20 pm

    Does anyone else feel really comfortable with Reed at the plate? This guy has poise and steadiness at the plate that is beyond his years. I’m officially jumping on the bandwagon.

  146. Brian Rust on April 20th, 2005 9:21 pm

    On the West Coast, they should call it “Baseball this Afternoon”

  147. Morgan on April 20th, 2005 9:22 pm

    145, yeah, same here. Not to mention that I’m a *lot* more comfortable with him in CF than Bloomie, heh.

  148. Miles on April 20th, 2005 9:23 pm

    I think i’d rather see bobby ayala hit than bloomquist

  149. boo nelson on April 20th, 2005 9:24 pm

    123, doyle hit the game-tying two-run double that rolled to the wall in the 8th and turned the tide…rainiers got one more run and won it

    oh, and a woohoo for dobbs too, heh

  150. Graham on April 20th, 2005 9:26 pm

    Anyone else feel really uncomfortable with Nelson pitching?

  151. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:26 pm

    I too am comfortable with Reed. I’m not very comfortable with Jeff Nelson.

  152. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 9:28 pm

    Talk about another left hander that has stuck around just because he is a southpaw.

  153. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:29 pm

    152-Nelson’s a righthander. I’m not sure why he’s stuck around.

  154. sodo on April 20th, 2005 9:29 pm

    I think I’d rather see Bobby Ayala pitch than Jeff Nelson…ok, maybe not. But get Nellie out of there!!!!

  155. Metz on April 20th, 2005 9:30 pm

    Nelson might be the only truly effectively wild pitcher I’ve ever seen.

  156. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:32 pm

    I don’t like seeing Ron Villone pitching in crucial situations.

  157. Metz on April 20th, 2005 9:32 pm

    Now we get the “versatile” Ron Villone.

  158. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:32 pm

    At least Villone has better control than… d’oh! Never mind.

  159. firova on April 20th, 2005 9:33 pm

    Just think, Everyday Eddie could be up next inning.

  160. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:33 pm

    He can suck in a variety of roles.

  161. Matt Staples on April 20th, 2005 9:33 pm

    That ball hit the knob of Kotsay’s bat.

  162. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:35 pm

    Sweet Jesus, Chavez scares the daylights out of me.

  163. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:36 pm

    I didn’t know you could pitch around guys with the bases loaded, but Ron Villone is proving me wrong.

  164. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 9:36 pm

    Sorry about that but for some reason I always thought that Nelly was a lefty. Been way too long since I saw a game.

  165. boo nelson on April 20th, 2005 9:36 pm

    wow! chavez was watching the whole time…geez, lucky villone!

  166. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    Whew, can’t wait to relive that experience next inning.

  167. Matt Staples on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    Unbelievable. I mean, Villone DID walk him on the previous pitch. But still, for Chavez to watch that last pitch go by is insane.

  168. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    That was exciting. Sam Adams here agrees.

  169. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    Villone was pretty money there, ignoring the fluke HBP.

  170. Miles on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    I love you Ron

  171. Christopher Michael on April 20th, 2005 9:37 pm

    6 pitches and not one swing.

  172. sodo on April 20th, 2005 9:38 pm

    Re: 164

    Must have been a long time, because Nelly is about as righthanded as you can get on a mound.

  173. Colby on April 20th, 2005 9:38 pm

    I like the fact that we may win this game because of the inability of the A’s to make plays. First, Dobbs feels good about himself because Byrnes can’t get to his lazy single and then Villone feels good about himself because Eric Chavez can’t take the bat off his shoulder.

  174. happygolucky on April 20th, 2005 9:39 pm

    Hmm.. i wouldn’t call Villone lucky since he didn’t hit Kotsay and he was hitting the corners. Good job by him.

  175. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:41 pm

    Duscher? That’s one unfortunate name.

  176. Eric on April 20th, 2005 9:41 pm

    sheesh what is with soem of you, rather than be happy the Ms are winning all you can do is whine that they aren’t winning in a way that meets your apporval or something.

  177. RL on April 20th, 2005 9:41 pm

    Rrrrrrrrrandy Winn.

  178. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:42 pm

    “Every So Often” Eddie is warming up in the pen…

  179. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 9:43 pm

    Yeah it has been 3 years since I was in the states. Been hard to follow things from over here.

  180. sodo on April 20th, 2005 9:43 pm

    Re: 175 Actually it is Duchscherer, and I think he was the minor league pitcher of the year two years ago (in whatever AAA league the A’s play in, I forget).

  181. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:44 pm

    Beltre has an old-school power-hitter’s body, solid all the way through. And he looks pissed at the ball. That’s a good thing. Short, angry swing.

    Oops. He struck out. Trade him!

  182. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:44 pm

    180. I knew I was missing some letters. Still an unfortunate name.

  183. Morgan on April 20th, 2005 9:45 pm

    176, I’m not sure that all of us are equipped to handle cardiac arrest without a little excitement. I can promise you that I’m glad the M’s are winning.

  184. Matt on April 20th, 2005 9:45 pm

    #180 Oakland’s AAA affiliate is in the PCL unless something changed…

  185. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:46 pm

    Now where did I leave my bottle of Tums?

  186. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:47 pm

    Here comes Eddie. Make sure no sharp objects are nearby.

  187. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:47 pm

    181. I know. That’s what makes me happy whenever I think about him. He looks like he wants to smack that ball very hard.

  188. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:47 pm

    A’s single-A affiliate used to be in Medford, OR. I used to go watch Jose Canseco play when he was just learning his way around a syringe.

  189. sodo on April 20th, 2005 9:48 pm

    Re 184, Thanks, my mind just went blank there for a second and I didn’t care to look it up. I was pretty sure that they were in the PCL too but not 100%.

    And I am still not sure if Justin was the PCL pitcher of the year in 2003 either, but I think he was.

    Hey look, it is Eddie!

  190. Gunga on April 20th, 2005 9:49 pm

    Just heard a few minutes ago that the Rainiers win was all the more impressive because of the adversity they faced. Specifically, the starting pitcher left with an injury. Anyone heard anything about Baek and whether he’s really hurt? BTW, hero of the game was Doyle, with 3 hits including a double to tie it in the the eighth.

  191. happygolucky on April 20th, 2005 9:50 pm

    #176

    I agree with you. It seems like groupthink is prevalent in blogsphere. If most of us believe a player sucks, then he sucks no matter what. If that said player performs well in one game, then it must be luck. It can’t be that he just steps up and delivers what he has worked hard every day for.

  192. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:50 pm

    Nice start for Eddie.

  193. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:50 pm

    I just noticed that the A’s have an all-lefty 3-through-5 in their order, which makes them probably one of the only teams that actually bodes well for an opposing left-handed closer.

  194. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:50 pm

    My oh my.

  195. Chris on April 20th, 2005 9:50 pm

  196. Dan on April 20th, 2005 9:51 pm

    Guardado is a pile.

  197. anotherjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:51 pm

    I’m just going to walk away for about 10 minutes.

  198. Jamie in Japan on April 20th, 2005 9:51 pm

    The A’s AAA team is the Sacramento Rivercats.

  199. Mike on April 20th, 2005 9:51 pm

    That said, it doesn’t work when you’re just plain bad.

  200. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:52 pm

    Question for Guardado-followers…. does it look like he throws a much flatter ball than he used to? Seems that way to me.

  201. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:52 pm

    Does Guardado even have an “out pitch” to speak of? Just curious.

  202. Gunga on April 20th, 2005 9:52 pm

    I’m beginning to see why they call him Everyday Eddie. Don’t we see this every day he closes?

  203. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:53 pm

    201. Out of the park, mebbe.

  204. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:53 pm

    #203 – LOL. Seriously though, most closers have some sort of out pitch.. a nasty split finger, killer slider, something… he seems to have nothing that strikes fear in the heart of the opposing lineup.

  205. boo nelson on April 20th, 2005 9:54 pm

    at least eddie seems like he has some zip today…well…for him anyway

  206. ahaha on April 20th, 2005 9:54 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if one of these days, Eddie just collapses on the mound with a heart attack.

  207. Gunga on April 20th, 2005 9:55 pm

    #204 – Maybe he doesn’t understand which lineup he’s supposed to frighten.

  208. drjeff on April 20th, 2005 9:55 pm

    Yay, a win for Joel!

  209. boo nelson on April 20th, 2005 9:55 pm

    woo…my heart can’t take this all year…

  210. Alex on April 20th, 2005 9:56 pm

    What Eddie lacks in “stuff”, he makes up for in intensity, right? Ummm, right?

    LOL

  211. Graham on April 20th, 2005 9:56 pm

    Oh well, back over .500!

  212. firova on April 20th, 2005 10:00 pm

    It shocked me the other day when I looked up Eddie’s career ERA: 4.39.

    8-7 and first place looks very good.

  213. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 10:04 pm

    We’ve gone from a three way tie for first to a two way tie for first.

    Even if it doesn’t last, even if it feels like a lot of lucky hits at the right time or Guardado just barely keeping it in the park, even if we don’t have a pitcher that doesn’t make me want to reach for a beer, I’m happy with this.

    The M’s haven’t exploded yet. Every week that this happens puts us that much closer to sniffing the playoffs.

  214. Colby on April 20th, 2005 10:12 pm

    Re: 176

    My comment simply was pointing out that I think that our fanbase (by and large) is happy when the team wins. It doesn’t matter how, it doesn’t matter why, all that matters is win=happy.

    If you look a little harder at each win or at each performance (as I see our “closer” Eddie Guardado give up a homer to Durazo, who’s been in a slump for 2 weeks), you see nuances of each team and each player, BOTH good AND bad. As for the M’s bullpen – they’ve just been given a gift 3 runs by Byrnes trying to make a do-or-die play which turned out to be the latter. The Villone HBP was on an 0-2 count. They darn near gave up the lead when it was handed to them on a silver platter. That’s not the mark of a good team.

    The key here is that you need to look closer rather than just take a look at the final score.

    I’m glad I got that off my chest.

  215. Matt Williams on April 20th, 2005 10:39 pm

    The Villone HBP was very fishy, I really don’t think the ball hit him, and it wasn’t far inside at all, maybe 3″ off the plate inside (and high, obviously).

    That wasn’t a horrible pitch when you’re that far ahead. Hell, he got Kotsay to start swinging on it (part of the reason it hit the end of the bat).

  216. Deanna on April 20th, 2005 10:58 pm

    I’d take Zito over Eddie, these days. I almost worry more when they put him on the mound than Villone, now, which is scary.

    (yay, I’m finally back in town after being in Pittsburgh for a week. Trust me, you guys haven’t seen baaaad baseball until you go to a couple Pirates games. Monday’s game was the most spectacular loss I’ve seen in ages, with the Cardinals scoring a whopping 9 runs in the 9th inning. But, uh, I look forward to going and seeing Jason Kendall play tomorrow night here! Wheee!)

  217. David Jones on April 21st, 2005 12:26 am

    Just back from the game. Aside from the first inning, Zito pitched pretty well overall, same with Piniero and 2nd inning.
    Dobbs is amazingly lucky that Byrnes got a horrible jump and then decided not to bother playing on a hop to come up firing once it was clear he wasn’t going to get there.
    At least we finally have a manager that yanks pitchers – Melvin would have left Nelson in until he gave up a few runs.
    I’m also glad I’m not the only one that thought it hit Kotsay’s bat, not Kotsay himself…
    And finally, we need a real closer instead of this “make every save situation interesting” one we have now.

  218. Gary on April 21st, 2005 12:50 am

    #206.

    Perhaps. But Everyday Infarction Eddie just doesn’t have pizzazz.
    Actually, now that I think about it, how about Every Other Day Eddie. That keeps part of the alliteration and the prose rhythm is a little better.

  219. Baltimore M's Fan on April 21st, 2005 7:31 am

    Unbelieveable-ESPN;s power rankings put the M’s 24th. The Angels are 9th, A’s 13, and Rangers 17? Those rankings are supposed to be based on waht has happened so far, not what happened last year.
    That’s a joke

  220. Phil on April 21st, 2005 7:38 am

    #219 – I agree they are fishy. But the M’s haven’t proven themselves that much yet. They are playing better ball than I expected, but they went 1/3 against MIN, 1/3 against TEX, 1/3 against CWS. I’ll be impressed if they win a majority of their games over the next two/three weeks: CLE, TEX, OAK, ANA and then BOS, NYY, BOS, NYY

  221. Baltimore M's Fan on April 21st, 2005 8:32 am

    Ok and the A’s have been mowed down by powerhouses like Tampa Bay and Toronto. The Angels lost 2 of 3 to the Royals. The problem isn’t the 24th ranking, its the spots those other teams are in.

  222. Christopher Michael on April 21st, 2005 8:35 am

    Right now none of the teams in the AL west are performing. The fact that they have the other three so high is based more on the fact that they had them ranked higher to begin the season. Except Texas. Not sure what they are doing with Texas.

  223. Steve on April 21st, 2005 9:08 am

    I’m glad to see in the paper this morning that Nellie officially earned a “Hold” for retiring one of the four batters he faced. Villone is lookin’ good. Bloomquist cannot play center field.

  224. Aaron on April 21st, 2005 9:41 am

    I’d just like to say that Mark McLemore did commentary on ESPN2 for the game, and with a few more years experience, he might one day be as good as Joe Morgan.

  225. Chief on April 21st, 2005 10:21 am

    # 217 – I am also glad the mgr will yank a pitcher when needed, but I worry about a mgr that puts home boy Nellie in the game. I know Nellie is on the roster and Hargrove has to use him but Nellie’s line shows 4 innings pitched, 5 hits, 4 BBs, 4Ks for the season. Nellie’s next trip should not be to the mound, it should be on a one way ticket out of town.

  226. TypicalIdiotFan on April 21st, 2005 10:37 am

    Re: 225

    This is nothing new from Jeff Nelson. He’ll have 4 or 5 appearences where he’s unhittable and then he’ll have 1 or 2 appearences where he’s terrible, walking people and such. Doesn’t mean we should run him out of town. He’s doing a fine job so far in relief, considering he was injured last year and that nobody in the Mariners blogsphere or fanbase expected him to be even on this level.

  227. Baltimore M's Fan on April 21st, 2005 11:14 am

    #224 as GOOD as Joe morgan? Did you mean to say as arrogant and closed-minded as Joe Morgan?

  228. Aaron on April 21st, 2005 11:48 am

    I meant to say that I think we all know how “high” Joe Morgan sets the broadcasting bar, and Mac is comfortably underneath it.

  229. Shoeless Jose on April 21st, 2005 12:52 pm

    Speaking of commentary, I heard Dobbs interviewed on the radio after the game last night and he did a really good job. Articulate, interesting, actually offered some insight into the pitching and play on the field (and not just about his at-bat, either). Mostly steered clear of clichés too. Don’t know if he was too pumped up by his performance to leave his brain on automatic pilot, or he hasn’t yet had “be personable, bland, and offer no new information” beaten into his head by management, or he just hasn’t done enough interviews to be bored by the whole thing yet, but his interview was as good as his pinch hitting.

  230. Jim on April 21st, 2005 5:30 pm

    “One-Run Eddie”?