Game 33, Mariners at Yankees

DMZ · May 10, 2005 at 4:01 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Sele v Wang. 4:05. KSTW.

This has a reaaaal high chance of being a reaaaaal ugly game.


367 Responses to “Game 33, Mariners at Yankees”

  1. etowncoug on May 10th, 2005 10:57 pm

    I want Restovich, not because I think he is good. I think he is a better start against left handed starters than is Bloomquist. Basically any move that takes Willy out of starting against lefties is a great move IMHO.

  2. ray on May 10th, 2005 11:05 pm

    Bloomie be taken out? Never! He’s got those revealing pictures of Bavasi and Co, so they will never let him go.

  3. etowncoug on May 10th, 2005 11:14 pm


    Huh? Taiwan doesn’t have a reputation as having sneaky people. Are you trying to get offended? Other possible adjectives to describe his pitching style could be crafty or deceptive. I’m sure that would be somehow racist or bigoted if they where used as well.

    BTW your example of the Jewish pitcher was just stupid. No pitcher is ever called “cheap when it comes to allowing runs”. I guess its somehow racist when Moyer is referred to as sneaky as well.

    Furthermore, and to put your conscience at rest the announcers on YES said he was a sneaky pitcher.

    How do you survive on a day to day basis when there are so many things that you can deem racist.


  4. Scraps on May 10th, 2005 11:26 pm

    Calm down. It is certainly the case that Chinese people were stereotyped as “sneaky” for much of the twnetieth century. Personally, I don’t think that the use of the word “sneaky” to describe a Taiwanese pitcher needs to be changed, but it doesn’t surprise me to see someone raise an eyebrow at it. Which is all that was done, so you don’t have to behave as though someone made a federal case out of it.


    Let me know when the rest of the world stops looking at the color of people’s skin when talking about them.

  5. AK1984 on May 10th, 2005 11:31 pm

    Look, let’s forget ’bout racial stereotyping and commentary that could be seen as ethnocentic, for the real issue is the reverse-bigotry that is going on with the M’s, as anything one Willie Bloomquist does is considered to be a positive, even if it is a negative; this phenomenon is known as “localism”…

  6. Kelly Gaffney on May 10th, 2005 11:33 pm

    Lauren, you seem to be ‘taking it in the shorts’ in this thread. I found your new moniker funny and an appropriate response to previous posts. Etowncoug, I find your tone completely out of proportion with respect to the comments you are criticizing. So you disagree with Lauren, must you disagree in ALL-CAPS!!!???

  7. Dave in Palo Alto on May 10th, 2005 11:36 pm

    Not to lie in front of a worthy global crusade or anything, but what I heard on YES was that Wang’s fastball, rather than Wang, was sneaky fast. Nothing I heard sounded remotely racist, and I’m as touchy as they come.

  8. Jim Thomsen on May 10th, 2005 11:37 pm

    I for one am prejudiced against white people. (I’m very self-loathing.)

  9. Adam M on May 10th, 2005 11:46 pm

    OT, Jarvis blew a big lead to the Dodgers tonight. Schadenfreude: schmecht gutlich!

  10. lauren, token chick on May 10th, 2005 11:47 pm

    Well, I gotta say, it took longer for someone to dismiss my suggestion than it would on most baseball boards. So I figure we’re doing pretty good.

    Anyhow, I very much doubt it was a racist reference. Just the sort of coincidental occurrence that I happen to note sometimes. And for you, etowncoug, a reference:

    “When the latter part of the draft comes around and your friends are desperate for relievers and backup second basemen, you’ll be sure to entrench your bullpen with Tom Gordon, Shingo Takatsu and/or Juan Rincon.  These players will give you the innings you need to compete but are exceptionally stingy when it comes to giving up runs.” (from cheap, stingy, frugal. I’m no baseball guru, but I know I’ve heard similar adjectives used in that sense before.

  11. eponymous coward on May 10th, 2005 11:47 pm

    I’m prejudiced against people who take USSM threads WAAAAAY off topic and/or type in all caps.

    I am NOT prejudiced against admins who delete this sort of crap, though.

    Anyway, as I recall, the post-game show started agitating for changes last year a bit before when they started happening. Let’s hope this holds true this year. We now know Sele’s spring training was ample size mirage, and we have a better idea about Campillo based on his AAA performance. Let’s see him.

    With REALLY good luck, we can be rid of Nellie soon as well…

  12. AK1984 on May 10th, 2005 11:57 pm

    The following moves ought to be made immediately:

    1. Release Aaron Sele & recall Jorge Campillo;
    2. Release Jeff Nelson & recall George Sherrill;
    3. Release Ryan Franklin & recall Cha-Seung Baek;
    4. Demote Willie Bloomquist & purchase the contract of Ramon Santiago;
    5. Demote Greg Dobbs & recall Jamal Strong;
    6. Trade Bret Boone to the NYY for Robinson Cano.

    The following moves ought to be made sometime this season:

    1. Release Ramon Santiago & activate Calvin Reese;
    2. Release Wilson Valdez & recall Jose Lopez;
    3. Release Matt Thornton & activate Scott Atchison;
    4. Release Dave Hansen & activate Scott Spiezio;
    5. Trade Scott Spezio & Yuniesky Betancourt to DET for Bobby Higginson;
    6. Release Bobby Higginson & recall Justin Leone;
    7. Trade Randy Winn for a low-level prospect & recall Shin-soo Choo;
    8. Trade Raul Ibanez for a low-level prospect & recall Chris Snelling.

    Now, as it is, none of these aforementioned transactions are probably going to happen; they would likely be good moves, though.

  13. etowncoug on May 10th, 2005 11:59 pm

    Dave in Palo Alto.

    Some people have the mentality that their is a demon under every rock and if you don’t see it, you just aren’t looking hard enough. This mentality gets me really ticked off. Hence the strong reaction.

    Look if you don’t like Valle as an announcer (hey we’ve all been their) their are plenty of things you can rip the guy for. Don’t drag the race card into this. Harry Carey, once wondered aloud during a broadcast if it was hard for Hideo Nomo to see with his slanted eyes. That kind of comment is politically incorrect. Comments like that need to be out of baseball because they don’t have anything to do with the game of baseball.

    Sorry if my reaction was a tab bit strong.

  14. MoscowJeff on May 11th, 2005 12:14 am

    362 – With that lineup perhaps the Mariners ought to play the rest of their home games in Cheney Stadium.

  15. AK1984 on May 11th, 2005 12:16 am

    Re. #364:

    Yeah, maybe they should.

  16. etowncoug on May 11th, 2005 12:19 am

    Lauren, I’ve said my piece. You’ve said yours, lets agree to disagree I thought you were stirring up racist tendencies. You seemed to be pointing out something you thought was ironic.

    My ultimate point is that racism is very real, but our PC culture really desensitizes people to the terrible reality of it.

    Man this got off topic (sorry!) Go Mariners!

  17. DMZ on May 11th, 2005 12:27 am

    Closing comments on this thread. I swear, I can’t go watch The Amazing Race without having something go to hell.