Game 64, Phillies at Mariners

peter · June 16, 2005 at 7:04 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

Brett Myers (2.24 ERA in 88 IP) and Joel Pineiro (6.20 ERA in 61 IP).

Myers 32.7 VORP is 6th among all major league starters, better than Johan Santana or Jake Peavy.

I won’t mention the “S” word, but bigger miracles have happened.

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200 Responses to “Game 64, Phillies at Mariners”

  1. G-Man on June 16th, 2005 10:24 pm

    I’m just happy the Pils are using the worst of their pen and keeping Wagner for a save. I suppose you can argue that it makes sense if Wagner can absolutely only go one inning, but I like it for the Mariners.

  2. Rob on June 16th, 2005 10:24 pm

    141

    I might be reading it wrong and I think it did. I believe it is the expected runs you woudl score for the inning if that is the current situation. So I guess I might be assuming wrong that if you have a chance to score more runs, the probability of scoring a run is also higher. I dunno, I just never like bunting it over, ya it works, but I would rather put in a speedster off the bench who can steal at above a 85% clip and get the base for free.

  3. Todd in Phoenix on June 16th, 2005 10:26 pm

    Why is Eddie only good for 13 pitches?

  4. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 10:28 pm

    That noise you just heard from Arkansas?

    It sure as hell wasn’t me calling the Hogs, I can tell you that.

  5. edgarfan on June 16th, 2005 10:29 pm

    152: Because he’s a closer. Closers only go one inning.

    Sigh….I’m sick of dumb bullpen usage.

  6. dave in minnie on June 16th, 2005 10:32 pm

    i hope richie uses his sand wedge this time.

  7. dave in minnie on June 16th, 2005 10:37 pm

    123- the may 18th game vs the Yanks was pretty sweet…

  8. Mike on June 16th, 2005 10:37 pm

    If this game ends up in the left hand of Matt Thornton…..

  9. Todd in Phoenix on June 16th, 2005 10:38 pm

    c’mon sand wedge!!

  10. IggyReilly on June 16th, 2005 10:39 pm

    I can’t believe people are still talking about the game…Dave did just announce that you can give up on ever seeing a dominant Felix in the majors, Campillo was just put on the DL to add insult to injury.

    DMZ might very well get to add two names to his list when he gets back from vacation.

    Not fun being a pitching fan that follows the M’s.

  11. Todd in Phoenix on June 16th, 2005 10:40 pm

    fit the man for a sombrero

  12. Todd in Phoenix on June 16th, 2005 10:40 pm

    What did Dave just say and what’s this list that DMZ can add to?

  13. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:41 pm

    Mike! Stop saying such things! You’re scaring the children! Geez!

  14. Typical Idiot Fan on June 16th, 2005 10:42 pm

    What did Dave just say and what’s this list that DMZ can add to?

    In order:

    Scroll up…

    and

    The Atrition War research project.

  15. IggyReilly on June 16th, 2005 10:44 pm

    Felix Hernandez = Out with “shoulder bursitis” – which is often a generic term for, Hernandez has a shooting pain in his shoulder which could be damn near anything.

    DMZ’s list of M’s top pitchers that have had major surgery. Campillo won’t qualify I suppose.

  16. Paul Covert on June 16th, 2005 10:44 pm

    Jeremy (#148): Yes, but the fact that he’s legitimately good– perhaps even an All-Star, as you say– is precisely the argument for trading Guardado. If you trade pricey over-the-hill guys like Boone, you get what you pay for.

    After all, the idea of trading isn’t to trade your garbage for somebody else’s hidden diamonds (that’s great if you can do it, but most of the time people won’t be stupid enough to play into your hands like that). Rather, it’s to trade what somebody else needs more than you do, in exchange for something that you need more than they.

    Trading your excess pitching for someone else’s excess hitting is one example of this. But another is that, if you’re in rebuilding mode (as the M’s should be at this point) and someone else is in win-now mode, you can trade your present (Guardado, Ibanez, Winn– I cite those three because they’re good players and not overpriced) for someone else’s future, and thus have a legitimate chance of benefitting both teams.

    In a pure “challenge trade” (position-for-same-position and time-for-same-time), each side is betting that their judgement of talent is better than the other’s, and it’s a zero-sum game: If one side wins, the other loses. But in a from-strength-to-weakness trade, the net gain to the teams combined will generally be positive, and even if the other team’s judgement happened to be better than yours in this particular instance, you can still conceivably come out of the trade okay.

  17. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:44 pm

    Um, why exactly will King Felix never be a dominant major league pitcher?

  18. IggyReilly on June 16th, 2005 10:47 pm

    BECAUSE WE’RE DOOMED! Out will come the M’s doctors with their leeches and sharp sticks, and next thing you know; Felix Hernandez will have his arm transplanted to his left buttock.

    Seen it a million times.

  19. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 10:48 pm

    #165 Paul,

    I understand the reasons for trading Guardado and they’re definitely valid.

    When it comes to talking Mariners baseball, I’ve been as objective as can be. See my site for the evidence. But in the case of Guardado, I’m biased. What can I say? Everybody has their one guy they don’t want to see leave town.

    In other news, this game needs to end soon. Hopefully it will be a Mariner victory. At this point, I don’t know what the hell will happen.

  20. zzyzx on June 16th, 2005 10:50 pm

    God I hate this strategy. 1 run doesn’t end the game after all.

  21. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:50 pm

    Shoulder Bursitis? My father got that from stiff arming the swinging door every afternoon rushing out to the carpool. So that means the geniuses in our farm system must have overworked King Felix or given him bad mechanics. (Let’s out a yell resembling Darth Vader’s from Revenge of the Sith.)

  22. Dave in Palo Alto on June 16th, 2005 10:51 pm

    Not sure about this call — walking the bases full. In a tie game at home, a one run defecit is possible to match. But I guess Grover would rather risk a blowout to stop a single tally.

  23. zzyzx on June 16th, 2005 10:52 pm

    Well if they don’t score again I can’t fault the strategy per se.

  24. zzyzx on June 16th, 2005 10:53 pm

    Hey guys, remember Pokey Reese?

  25. dave in minnie on June 16th, 2005 10:54 pm

    This is the commercial for the long ball, Pokey. We dont steal bases!

  26. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:55 pm

    I’ve never understood filling the bases to get a force out at any base when you only had one guy on to begin with.

  27. jtopps on June 16th, 2005 10:55 pm

    every time that M’s commercial comes up with that guying saying he feels like he could strike out Bret Boone, I think,

    Yeah, i bet that guy could.

  28. Paul Molitor Cocktail on June 16th, 2005 10:55 pm

    Oh boy, Willie.

  29. Noel on June 16th, 2005 10:56 pm

    Willie rides to the rescue.

  30. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:56 pm

    WFB pinch hitting for Hansen? (Let’s out another Darth Vader-like yell.)

  31. Dave in Palo Alto on June 16th, 2005 10:56 pm

    Bloomie? Adrian can’t do one AB?

  32. Paul Molitor Cocktail on June 16th, 2005 10:57 pm

    If Willie Bloomquist grounds out and nobody is there to see it, does he still suck?

  33. zzyzx on June 16th, 2005 10:57 pm

    175 – it makes sense in the bottom of an inning where a run ends the game but not in the top.

  34. dave in minnie on June 16th, 2005 10:57 pm

    when did Breckin Meyer sign with the M’s?

  35. AK1984 on June 16th, 2005 10:57 pm

    Hey, I might be an idiot, but it’s Jorge Campillo who is injured . . . correct? Felix Hernandez is stil healthy . . . right?

  36. wabbles on June 16th, 2005 10:58 pm

    Is anyone else disturbed by the commercial showing Eddie looking overhead at a towering home run? I think that shows low esteem and is insulting to him and the team. Especially since he is smiling afterwards.

  37. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 10:58 pm

    #183 Dave In Minnie,

    When his career washed up after “Road Trip” and “Inside Schwartz”

  38. Noel on June 16th, 2005 10:59 pm

    Yeah Morse.

  39. dave in minnie on June 16th, 2005 10:59 pm

    #184- he is for now

    but i damn sure hope you are currently knocking on wood

  40. Paul Molitor Cocktail on June 16th, 2005 10:59 pm

    Wow.

  41. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 11:00 pm

    Rick Rizzs is slipping.

    THIS TEAM NEVER QUITS!

    (I have lost it. This game is just tiring me out big time.)

  42. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 11:00 pm

    Rick Rizzs is slipping.

    THIS TEAM NEVER QUITS!

    (I have lost it. This game is just tiring me out big time.)

  43. Jeremy on June 16th, 2005 11:00 pm

    Doh! I wasn’t trying to post that twice.

  44. Shoeless Jose on June 16th, 2005 11:01 pm

    OK, now Morse can hit 101mph fastballs? I’m naturally skeptical, but at what point do I put that away and start thinking this guy might be for real? I guess I’ll wait for the end of the season, but… damn.

  45. IggyReilly on June 16th, 2005 11:01 pm

    They’re BOTH injured. Hows that for a slap to the face? Kind of like Nageotte becoming a parapalegic and Blackley having his shoulder rebuilt back-to-back. Or…that time Meche and Anderson both went down!

  46. G-Man on June 16th, 2005 11:01 pm

    If Rivera catches hold of one, I’ll write in he and Morse on my All-Star ballot.

  47. AK1984 on June 16th, 2005 11:03 pm

    So wait, what’s wrong w/ Hernandez then?

  48. Noel on June 16th, 2005 11:03 pm

    Struck out looking. Niiiiiiice.

  49. IggyReilly on June 16th, 2005 11:05 pm

    Typical bursitis: Can’t lift arm above head without a good deal of pain. No big deal if you’re a softball pitcher.

  50. adam on June 16th, 2005 11:56 pm

    Just shut Felix down…or schedule his labrum surgery….God.