Game 66, Mets at Mariners

Dave · June 18, 2005 at 7:07 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Franklin vs Pedro. Yea, that’s fair.


264 Responses to “Game 66, Mets at Mariners”

  1. Gary on June 19th, 2005 2:17 am

    #249. Agreed. Occam’s razor. Simplest explanation to fit the observed facts would be that the pitcher knows what he’s doing. The luck factor statistically is kind of bell-curvely too far out there.

  2. Typical Idiot Fan on June 19th, 2005 2:43 am

    Actually, Mords, I found this to be more telling:

    Hargrove said the team might send Spiezio out for rehab Thursday, but when he was told of Spiezio’s lofty San Diego plans (to rejoin the team), he cracked a smile.

    “That’s why he’s the player,” Hargrove said.


  3. AK1984 on June 19th, 2005 4:05 am

    Look, if Bret Boone and Greg Dobbs have been shut down, then Willie Bloomquist ought to prepare for being sent away so Shin-Soo Choo can take his rightful spot on the M’s as their fourth outfielder; Bloomquist isn’t a horrible option as the fourth outfielder, so long as he is manning that roster spot in Tacoma.

    By the way, the M’s would be better off if they were to give Boone the JOB (i.e., the John Olerud Banishment), and recalled Yuniesky Betancourt as a backup middle infielder/pinch-runner/defensive replacement.

    Furthermore, having Justin Leone and Greg Dobbs on the 40-Man roster is redundant . . . especially with Adrian Beltre locked in throughout the next 4 1/2 years at third for the M’s; if they were to clear waivers, though, Tacoma could do worse than having Leone at third and Dobbs as a designated hitter. As it is, however, neither guy has a future with the M’s, and they ought to be DFA’d to make room for guys who will be coming off of the 60-Day DL (e.g., Rafael Soriano, Bucky Jacobsen, Calvin Reese, etc.) later this season.

    What good is Scott Spiezio to the M’s once he is healthy? Look, “Super” Dave Hansen, while nothing more than a mediocre/below-average reserve, is nevertheless at least a hundred times better than “The Spaz” could ever be at this point. Sadly, it seems as if the market for a switch-hitting backup corner infielder who can’t hit his weight (which has drastically decreased) has dried up . . . the M’s ought to just pay him off.

    Trading Ron Villone and Miguel Olivo to the Boston Red Sox for Kelly Shoppach would be a wonderful move; the Red Sox can rid of one former Mariner in their bullpen — and I don’t mean either Mike or Mike — to give R.V. the long reliever role. More importantly, however, Shoppach and Rene Rivera would combine to provide a decent tandem at catcher for the M’s next year, as they can both get needed experience playing in Tacoma and San Antiono, respecitvely, in ’05. (Sadly, if the M’s are to trade R.V., then that would open a spot up for “The Spaz” on the roster . . . at least ’til Bucky returns!)

    If Calvin Reese is ever to return, then Betancourt can resume progressing down in Tacoma (as he needs to learn to be more patient at the plate), for he can inheret his rightful spot on the team come ’06.

    As well as Randy Winn has done this season, it would be nice to have Doyle have a chance to play left field for the M’s on a regular basis. (Hell, he earns approximately 1/10th the salary that Winn recieves, anyhow.) Moreover, Winn, while only being an average player, could net the M’s a decent prospect at the deadline . . . hopefully a starting pitcher, since the guys the M’s do have (e.g., Felix Hernandez, Jorge Campillo, Cha-Seung Baek, Travis Blackley, Rich Dorman, Clint Nageotte, Troy Cate, Rafael Soriano, and Bobby Madritsch.) ended up suffering injuries this season; that doesn’t even take into account guys like George Sherrill or Scott Atchison, either. (Amazingly, local boy Jeff Heaverlo — while a horrid pitcher — has yet to get hurt so far this season.) Yet, the injuries notwithstanding, it would be nice to see Doyle get an opportunity to prove himself.

    Lastly, once George Sherrill is healthy, it is time for the Mariners to realize that the Matt Thornton experiment has failed, and his time with the organization is to be finished; if it weren’t for the crappy BB:K ratio that Jared Thomas has, he’d even be a better option than Thornton.

  4. Dave on June 19th, 2005 6:35 am

    Do you have some kind of mutant gene that requires you to post this every two or three days, no matter what the thread?

    Seriously, we know you want half of Tacoma called up. Point made. Now stop.

  5. Jeff in Fremont on June 19th, 2005 7:30 am

    Hmmm…somebody woke up on the wrong side of bed.

    I almost did, then I turned on the news and was reminded that the M’s finally beat Pedro last night. Woo-hoo!

  6. David J Corcoran on June 19th, 2005 8:52 am

    I had an awful dream last night. Somehow we ended up with Julio Lugo, who immediately became our starting catcher (?), with Borders taking over everyday duties…at 3rd base(?!). Beltre was released.

  7. Rusty on June 19th, 2005 9:05 am

    Great game! I was there, at Safeco, and it was the most electric feeling game in 2 years. Good for Franky. Good for the young un’s. With Reed and Lopez on 2nd and 3rd and Morse at the plate, I kept thinking that this is the future of the franchise and I was not disappointed by the thought. Finally, we had 3 producers whose age added up to less than 75 years instead of 2 that barely come in under 80.

    Very watchable team in my opinion. Better than last year.

  8. Paul Molitor Cocktail on June 19th, 2005 9:12 am

    I have to question this just a smidge. I mean, not that it can’t happen or anything but, at what point do you declare someone had “luck” over their entire career? Normally guys who were lucky over their careers are considered to be “good pitchers”? I’m not outright questioning the statistics angle of this particular arguement but, doesn’t it seem a little like trying to find a needle in a haystack when there wasn’t one there in the first place? I don’t mind analyzing player’s performances, but at what point does luck stop being luck and actually become a recognized ability of the player involved?

    That’s a good question, and I think we can come up with an answer.

    If the pitchers can control their BABIP, then there is something the pitcher is doing. Since we apparently don’t know what they are doing now (if they are doing anything), call it our hypothesis.

    The hypothesis lets you do a few things:
    – apply it to future pitches of that particular pitcher. In other words, you should be able to watch the pitch before it gets hit, determine whether it was a low-BABIP pitch or not, and then compile statistics that show that pitches that you thought were low-BABIP resulted in more outs than the other pitches.
    – have other people test it – perhaps against other pitchers. I don’t think it is unreasonable to assume that the technique for keeping a low BABIP is common.

  9. Rusty on June 19th, 2005 9:56 am

    Re: David Wright catch

    It was a great catch, to be sure, but I’m wondering if that catch is even possible in a more hostile environment like Philly or even Yankee stadium. Wouldn’t a fan knock it away before letting an opposing player catch it for an out?

  10. Felixfastfreight on June 19th, 2005 10:24 am

    Re: 259
    I think the fans were so shocked to see this guy vaulting into the stands that they didn’t know what to do. It was one of the most impressive catches i’ve ever seen; nothing was coming between him and the ball. even if the fans did though, the umpire would have seen it since he was Wright there 😉 and called Ibanez out on fan interference. definitly one of the greatest catches you can ever make up against the wall like that

  11. Felixfastfreight on June 19th, 2005 10:25 am

    *that should be “could ever make”, not “can”

  12. Saul on June 19th, 2005 10:28 am

    Completely off-topic, but I just realized that Doyle is Doyle’s middle name.

  13. Rusty on June 19th, 2005 10:38 am

    Once the ball is in the stands, the fans have as much right to the ball as the player. I believe that’s the rule. Fan interference only applies to balls still in the field of play.

  14. Typical Idiot Fan on June 19th, 2005 12:38 pm

    Completely off-topic, but I just realized that Doyle is Doyle’s middle name.

    /me puts his head in his hands and just sighs.