Game 99, Tigers at Mariners

DMZ · July 26, 2005 at 6:42 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

RHP Jason Johnson v RHP Joel Pineiro. 7:05.

As noted in other threads today, Snelling turned up in Tacoma today, though there’s no evidence yet of a transaction. On the other hand, since there’s really no public resource for transactions that is also timely, he could well have been optioned. Or traded to the Cubs, who assigned him to Iowa, for all anyone knows officially. Generally we’ll a broadcaster will say something during the game, but they might not, so… we wait for Doyle.

Bloomquist starts at short again, his fourth straight start.

Comments

190 Responses to “Game 99, Tigers at Mariners”

  1. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 6:49 pm

    Richie Sexson in the paper yesterday: “I’ll take a whole team of Bloomquists. Gimme heart!”

    Gimme a break, more like. Positively spoiled my crumpet and tea.

    We’re never going to be rid of the guy. He’s going to start every game at short from now until mid-2008, while Jones and Betancourt slowly twist in the wind.

  2. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 6:52 pm

    Yeah, Bloomquist could be our updated version of Darnell Coles and Jim Presley. AUGH! And on the pitching side, we could have Aaron Sele holding back The King. AUGH!

  3. MarinerDan on July 26th, 2005 6:55 pm

    If either of the above happens, I will officially become an A’s fan.

  4. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 6:56 pm

    RHP Jason Johnson v RHP Joel Pineiro. 7:05

    Is that the time, or Joel’s ERA?

  5. jason on July 26th, 2005 7:00 pm

    From MLB.com
    [edited link and snipped a little of the excerpt -mgmt]

    Roster move goes through: A little more than a week after changing their minds about activating backup infielder Dave Hansen from the 15-day disabled list and sending outfielder Chris Snelling back to Triple-A Tacoma, the Mariners made the roster move official on Tuesday.

    Hansen, fully recovered from tendinitis in his left elbow, was available for Tuesday night’s game against the Tigers, giving manager Mike Hargrove an experienced left-handed pinch-hitter.

    As for Snelling, he must spend at least 10 days with the Rainiers. That means even if left fielder Randy Winn is traded before Sunday’s non-waiver deadline at 1 p.m. PT, Snelling couldn’t be recalled unless there was an injury to one of the 24 other players on the team.

    Hansen has been ready to be activated the last two or three days, but the organization decided to keep him on the DL and use Snelling sparingly.

    “[Snelling] did a good job — he really did,” Hargrove said. “He worked hard on the side to keep himself ready, and I was very pleased with the way he went about his business. He just needs to play and wait for his chance.”

  6. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:12 pm

    Two strikeouts for Pineiro already. Wow.

    What’s the strategy if they need to take an OFer out — pull Ibanez out of the DH slot, forcing the pitchers to bat? Move Bloomquist?

  7. Dave on July 26th, 2005 7:15 pm

    And, if you believe the gun, he was hitting 93 regularly.

    I’m not sure I believe the gun though.

  8. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:17 pm

    If we need to injure someone to make room on the 25-man roster for Doyle after Winn is traded, I nominate Spiezio.

  9. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 7:18 pm

    Bloomquist to the OF (left or center), Morse in at SS, if you have to.

  10. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:20 pm

    Pineiro’s back! Yayyy! He’s returned to the form of old, and all our pitching problems are solved! Yayy!

  11. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:22 pm

    Still got a lotta holes in the rotation there DMZ. :)

  12. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:22 pm

    Wow, a ticket-scalping (I mean, uh exchange) place is advertising on the radio. I’m surprised the M’s are okay with that, since they want everyone to go through the Ticket Exchange.

  13. John D. on July 26th, 2005 7:23 pm

    Willie Bloomquist just made an ordinary play. (He caught a pop-up.) It’s the first ordinary play I’ve heard him make all year. It’s usually “great,” “outstanding,” “sensational,” whatever.
    The Rizzer must have been in a hurry to break for commercials. He’ll make it up though: “and Bloomquist tags him out, and that’s our Magnolia moment.”

  14. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:24 pm

    I think they don’t (or can’t) care anymore, since that “ticket exchange” site of theirs has essentially legalized ticket scalping. They probably didn’t want to turn down the revenue.

  15. Eric on July 26th, 2005 7:25 pm

    Anyone think that the FO guys at the game asked them to jack up the radar guns a few miles and hour to try and entice yankee scouts in the stands? granted, they will have their own guns as well, but i have heard of stranger things happening

  16. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:28 pm

    They probably didn’t want to turn down the revenue.

    Ah, but KOMO gets the ad revenues. The M’s get their money either way. I’d think they’d be twisting arms.

  17. Dave on July 26th, 2005 7:29 pm

    The next time a scout looks at the stadium gun for anything other than a chuckle will be the first.

  18. Jim Thomsen on July 26th, 2005 7:30 pm

    Why such a wide disparity between gun readings? What are the variable factors?

  19. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 7:33 pm

    Angle they’re at, how well calibrated they are (which could be intentional or unintentional), etc.

  20. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 7:34 pm

    Oh, and where in the flight it’s reading (how close to the plate).

  21. Dave on July 26th, 2005 7:35 pm

    Also, manufacturer. Only a few teams still use JUGGS guns (I know the Astros still do, but they’re the only ones I consistently see with them), but JUGGS are notoriously fast, probably 2-3 MPH over the STALKER, which has become the industry standard.

  22. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:35 pm

    I’ve heard people have clocked trees doing 80 mph with radar guns, but that might be urban legend.

  23. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:40 pm

    Also, they are jimmied a little, especially stadium/TV guns, because higher velocities = excitement.

  24. joe on July 26th, 2005 7:42 pm

    The only radar guns I’m familiar with had to be calibrated with tuning forks. Maybe that’s changed. I’m only familiar with JUGGS as the esteemable monthly magazine of female pulchritude.

  25. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 7:42 pm

    There have been a lot of strange radar gun readings, the new speed cameras have been proving that. Police officers know not to cite someone for going 200 MPH, but there have been quite a few cases in Great Britain of insane tickets for speeds that fast, or faster, going out from the new automatic speed cameras. Sometimes in stadiums you’ll get an obviously wrong reading from the ball coming off the bat, the pitcher’s delivery, or other interferences.

  26. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 7:46 pm

    Reminds me of the time I rode my bike downhill at 684 MPH, or so my freaking-out computer claimed….

    Didn’t JUGGS measure the speed right out of the pitcher’s hand, inflating the reading? What matters is of course how fast it’s going when it reaches the plate.

    I think they should add 25 MPH to all the M’s pitchers’ readings on the stadium gun, just for the excitement of it.

  27. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 7:47 pm

    This Guillen guy looks familiar, didn’t we used to have a guy named that? Played shortstop, too. What ever happened to him?

  28. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:50 pm

    I think they should have the readings in kilometers per hour, like in that M’s commercial with Jamie Moyer a couple years ago. (Before started that totally lame “Who Wants to Be a Millionaire” format.)

  29. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 7:52 pm

    Yeah, we did used to have a shortstop named Guillen. Apparently, he encouraged a young pitcher and fellow countryman to go out drinking too much. Thus, he was traded because he was a bad influence.

  30. Eric on July 26th, 2005 7:56 pm

    hmm, speaking of Guillen.. whoops

  31. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:56 pm

    Ahhh, Beltre.

  32. Pilots fan on July 26th, 2005 7:56 pm

    Really? And we traded him? Who’d we get for him, I wonder?

  33. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 7:58 pm

    Hmm, I encourage all sorts of people to go out drinking too much. I’m out guzzling vinho verde right this minute. I guess that means I’m not Mariner Material, then. I guess my dream of being the first 46-year-old rookie are over. Not only am I a bad influence, but Willie Blooomquist could totally kick my ass.

  34. John in L.A. on July 26th, 2005 7:58 pm

    Sweet, Beltre. I can’t tell you why exactly, but my excitement for him being on the team has never waned. It’s not like I’m prescient or insightful… just in-my-gut glad he’s a Mariner.

  35. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 7:59 pm

    Can you imagine how difficult it must be to have a conversation with Valle?

    “I was driving to Bellingham yesterday night…”
    “Derek, heading to Bellingham late yesterday, taking his car…”
    “Would you please shut up?”
    “Derek getting annoyed here tonight by my constant repetition of what he has just said…”

  36. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:01 pm

    “That’s right, Derek, you ARE annoyed, and you know why?”

  37. roger tang on July 26th, 2005 8:03 pm

    You guys are killing me….

  38. bp on July 26th, 2005 8:04 pm

    How did Richie get on? MLB GameDay has an error or something.

  39. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:05 pm

    I’ll be here all week, two shows nightly. Unfortunately so will Wee Willie and his Wicked gWoundouts.

  40. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:06 pm

    “MLB Gameday, letting bp down tonight, not showing him the information he or she wants to see in a timely manner.”

  41. Keith in DC on July 26th, 2005 8:07 pm

    RR – “Well it’s a brand new ballgame as we go to the fourth… The Mariners lead 2-1.”

    I don’t understand. What am I missing?

  42. bp on July 26th, 2005 8:07 pm

    It’s timely, I just dont know what the hell “Richie Sexson reaches on force attempt, missed catch error by Unknown (0), assist to first baseman Chris Shelton” means

  43. roger tang on July 26th, 2005 8:08 pm

    Killing me….just killing me…

    (And, yes, I AM a pro….or at least, I can coerce people to pay to see my stuff)(say, I have a spot open on my writing staff….)

  44. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 8:08 pm

    You missed the exit to Fairlyland.

  45. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:12 pm

    “Roger Tang there, alluding to some kind of writing gig, but no question that he’s making an offer of some kind. One of the things we’ll see is that fans have to wonder what he’s talking about, or why.”

  46. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 8:14 pm

    Thank you Joel. I was starting to get annoyed that the game was going well enough I didn’t want to start packing. I knew you would come through.

  47. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:15 pm

    I’m also amazed at how flat-out incoherent Valle can be sometimes. He’ll go into some sentence and totally fall apart, even though if you’re not paying attention it sounds okay.

    “Joel Pineiro last week had a great game where everything game together, moving the ball in and out over the plate, bullpen work, timely hitting, and Richie Sexson with that curve ball in the seventh, outstanding work all around and that’s what you like to see from this young right-hander…”

  48. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:15 pm

    “You hit the nail on the head, there, Derek. But that’s what makes the fans so great”.

    Damn, I think I’m actually channeling Rick Rizzs.

  49. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:17 pm

    Valle

  50. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:17 pm

    Ahem. Let’s try again.

    Valle

  51. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:18 pm

    Shick Shadel’s commercials are way suspicious. There’s no way any alcoholism treatment can have a 100% success rate unless you’re using the broadest possible definition of success, or unless you’re killing the patients so they can’t drink again.

  52. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 8:18 pm

    So, is the alcohol detox commercial on the radio right now appropriate, or is it like advertising for water wings on the Titanic?

  53. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:18 pm

    Goddamn HTML.

    Valle (LT) Henderson, which I didn’t think was possible.

  54. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:19 pm

    “Steve Thornton there, got off to a great start early in this tread, but stumbling lately, can’t seem to get his comments down consistently, exspecially now when he has to move the thread along.”

  55. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:20 pm

    “Fans, great comments are still available tonight in the despair, mockingly happy, and sar…sar… sarcasmic categories. Log on to U.S.S. Mariner now for your chance to win valuable prizes.”

  56. msb on July 26th, 2005 8:21 pm

    DMZ said:”Shick Shadel’s commercials are way suspicious. There’s no way any alcoholism treatment can have a 100% success rate unless you’re using the broadest possible definition of success, or unless you’re killing the patients so they can’t drink again.”

    not to mention the bizarre comments old Pat makes about getting rid of the ‘bad’ gene that causes addiction, or that the treatment isn’t drugs or hypnosis but a ‘medical procedure’…. um, lobotomy?

  57. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:22 pm

    I doubt it’s some kind of advanced retrovirus, since they’ve been around for a long time. I may have to poke into this.

  58. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:24 pm

    Holy Clockwork Orange, folks, it’s “aversion therapy”. See this Regency Medical page

  59. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:24 pm

    “Thornton can’t find the zone. Happens to the best of them. The Schick Shadel treatment was helping him, but he’s slipped back into his old patterns, chasing the easy joke long after the opportuntiy has passed. He’ll be OK.”

    Wait, that was Fairly.

  60. bp on July 26th, 2005 8:24 pm

    damn

  61. Jeremy on July 26th, 2005 8:24 pm

    I’d rather listen to Shick Shadel call a ballgame than Rick Rizzs.

  62. msb on July 26th, 2005 8:25 pm

    I still think my, um, ‘favorite’ Valle-ism is how he can move from an earth-shattering event on the field (whether positive or negative) into his prepared copy…

    “Holy Smokes! the ground just opened and swallowed gritty little gamer Willie Bloomquist as he went for that impossible grab of that hard-hit ball up the middle, Valle!!!”

    “Friends, make sure you’re at the ballpark on Friday for Workout T-shirt day”

  63. edgarfan on July 26th, 2005 8:25 pm

    It’s aversion therapy – they give you some drug that makes you violently ill at the consumption of alcohol, and then force you to drink.

  64. Jeremy on July 26th, 2005 8:26 pm

    I meant the guy who does the Shick Shadel commercials. Or is the guy’s name really Shick Shadel? No, I’m not all the way there right now. That’s what happens when you follow Mariner baseball.

  65. John in L.A. on July 26th, 2005 8:26 pm

    Aversion therapy?

  66. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:27 pm

    That Regency page also has some information on studies that show a pretty crappy success rate — certainly not 100%. I wonder how they get away with claiming that.

  67. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:27 pm

    I thought they showed you home movies of Ed McMahon.

  68. edgarfan on July 26th, 2005 8:27 pm

    Ooops, a minute too late ther.

  69. John in L.A. on July 26th, 2005 8:27 pm

    Edgarfan beat me to it.

  70. wabbles on July 26th, 2005 8:27 pm

    Yeah, those Shick Shadel commercials remind of “Smoke Enders” from that movie “Cat’s Eye” back in the late 1980s or early 1990s. “If you smoke again, we cut off your wife’s little finger.” “Ha, ha, you kill me.” “No, that comes later, much later.”

  71. world series on July 26th, 2005 8:28 pm

    I love the Shick Shadel commercials. Pat O day, chronic drunk, is so convincing in that role. He’s got to be tanked during those spots.

  72. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:28 pm

    You get a 100% success rate by not doing any followup. They probably mean “none of them ever showed up here again”.

  73. John in L.A. on July 26th, 2005 8:28 pm

    Good god, everybody beat me to it. I’m going to be quiet now.

    I’ll just be watching those Seattle Mariners if anyone needs me.

  74. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:28 pm

    It’s aversion therapy – they give you some drug that makes you violently ill at the consumption of alcohol, and then force you to drink.

    That’s part of. It also appears they drug the “patient” and then do interrogations where they try to figure out how much you still want the drug while you’re on pentothal.

  75. Jeremy on July 26th, 2005 8:28 pm

    #67 Steve Thornton,

    I’d love to hear Ed McMahon’s opinion on this team.

    Me: “Ed, does this team suck?”
    Ed: “You are corrrrrrrrrrrrrrect, sir!”

  76. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:29 pm

    Remember, folks, this is what a GOOD Pineiro game looks like.

  77. ballgame on July 26th, 2005 8:29 pm

    Shick Shadel, $5 beers, lousy baseball — a recipe for success.

  78. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 8:30 pm

    Giving alcoholics antabuse is hardly revolutionary therapy.

    Worked for Keith Moon. Oh wait, it killed Keith Moon.

  79. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:31 pm

    It’s interesting that Regency (at that link) considers this an “investigational” course of treatment.. this kind of thing’s been around for years, if they really had such a high rate of success, wouldn’t there be huge amounts of clinical evidence?

  80. msb on July 26th, 2005 8:31 pm

    gee, I wonder if Pat talks about his pentathol interviews & aversion drugs in his rollicking autobiography “It Was All Just Rock ‘n’ Roll”

  81. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:32 pm

    $5? I was paying close to $8 the last time I went. You don’t get Shick Shadel at the ballpark, but come to think of it, though, watching the Mariners is a kind of aversion therapy.

  82. msb on July 26th, 2005 8:34 pm

    “Valle, I think Joel’s velocity as he shoots himself in the foot has been getting better and better”

  83. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:36 pm

    This NIH paper has a pretty wacky description of what actually goes on there (search for “Shick-Shadel” and you’ll go right to the weird part)

  84. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 8:37 pm

    The description doesn’t talk about antabuse or chemicals in their treatment.

    They do talk about hypnosis. I think we may be jumping the gun thinking it’s antabuse/similar drugs. In fact, that page states “Agonist substitution therapy (methadone or LAAM) and medications to decrease the reinforcing effects of abused substances, also known as withdrawal drugs (eg, naltrexone, clonidine/naltrexone, buprenorphine), may also be included as a component of standard therapy.” That’s after the comment that “aversion therapy” hadn’t been compared to “standard therapy”…

    I think DMZ may have been right in the first place…it’s probably closer to A Clockwork Orange than a tranditional antabuse prescription.

  85. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:39 pm

    Found this on another site, about Schick Shadel’s heroin program:

    (http://www.detox911.com/facts-other_heroin_treatments.html)

    “Schick Shadel, however, which specializes in the treatment of addicts, places more emphasis on aversion therapy to treat its patients. Recovering addicts are subjected to mild electric shocks which, while not painful, make them distinctly uncomfortable in the presence of substances that simulate drugs. The patient develops unpleasant mental associations, a behavior therapy largely proved successful.”

    That’s assuming you find electric shocks unpleasant, of course.

  86. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:39 pm

    Or Nurse Week has this description of Shick-Shadel’s techniques and also mentions

    “After completing the 10-day program, patients returned for reinforcement sessions to maintain the aversion, which had a fairly rapid drop-off rate. “

  87. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:41 pm

    Wow. This is a lot of content for a short commercial.

  88. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:43 pm

    Also, if the Nurse Week article and the others are to be believed, I can’t imagine what the job listings must be like.

    “Wanted: vomit cleaner. No experience required. After we dose a patient with a drug and serve them a drink, you will clean up the amazing amount of vomit… Flexible hours required.”

  89. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:44 pm

    Pineiro’s thrown 93 pitches already, btw. That’s a lot. I wonder when they pull him.

  90. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 8:44 pm

    Also, I’m the only person left on the thread. I guess this whole diversion into the land of Shick-Shadel has performed an aversion therapy of its own.

  91. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 8:45 pm

    “Wanted: vomit cleaner. No experience required. After we dose a patient with a drug and serve them a drink, you will clean up the amazing amount of vomit… Flexible hours required.”

    If they added “you get the drink afterwards, if it’s clean enough for your tastes” they probably wouldn’t have trouble staffing the position. And it would help them target potential customers.

  92. MoscowJeff on July 26th, 2005 8:46 pm

    Ah, Duffy’s Bar sounds like a must on any vistor’s list.

  93. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:47 pm

    I hope you get a chance to tell your friends that you enjoy reading Nurse Week magazine. There may be questions.

  94. Morgan on July 26th, 2005 8:48 pm

    I don’t think I’ll be laughing that much the next time I hear a Schick Shadel ad. That’s some scary stuff, heh.

    Now if only they could give Olivo and Beltre that drug and throw them breaking ball after breaking ball…

  95. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:50 pm

    Oh yes, an electric shock every time he swings at the low and away….

  96. MoscowJeff on July 26th, 2005 8:50 pm

    Any guesses as to what Hargrove was saying to Pineiro? “Well Joel, that wasn’t too awful tonight.”

  97. msb on July 26th, 2005 8:51 pm

    dragging this back to the field, do you think just going out and throttling Pineiro when he starts to pick and nibble and walk batters would work?

  98. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 8:51 pm

    89: I predict after six more pitches.

    Please ignore the time stamp on this post.

  99. MoscowJeff on July 26th, 2005 8:53 pm

    Pudge could have at least made a half-hearted attempt to avoid the tag.

  100. world series on July 26th, 2005 8:53 pm

    I’m just upset they don’t run those ads on tv too. I am getting Valle now though.

  101. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 8:58 pm

    Maybe Guillen will hit Duffy’s after the game.

  102. Mountainman Ernie on July 26th, 2005 8:58 pm

    Someone needs to buy Price a cattle prod, then use it on him. Have we traded anyone to NY yet?

    Ernie

  103. RickL on July 26th, 2005 9:02 pm

    Nice hit by Blomquist. Now if only Lopez doesn’t hit into a double play.

  104. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:02 pm

    If Detroit reliever Darensbourg’s name was any longer he’d have to wear a long sleeved jersey. The letters stick out past the shoulder seams.

  105. RickL on July 26th, 2005 9:03 pm

    Two hit and run plays in a row. Result, a run scored.

  106. Pilots fan on July 26th, 2005 9:04 pm

    Why aren’t we pinch-hitting Hansen right here?

  107. RickL on July 26th, 2005 9:05 pm

    Nice hitting, Ichiro.

  108. Mountainman Ernie on July 26th, 2005 9:05 pm

    Randy won today. Flaherty was catching, he will again tomorrow. Was Posada at the bus depot buying a ticket to Seattle?

    Ernie

  109. world series on July 26th, 2005 9:05 pm

    Is Pat O Day grinning now cause the Mariners are coming back or because his aversion therapy is working? Or not working?

  110. MoscowJeff on July 26th, 2005 9:06 pm

    Great hit by Ichiro along with a little hometown scoring!

  111. Smegmalicious on July 26th, 2005 9:06 pm

    Man…I want Olivo to get right so bad. He’s like a young Pudge with a head case. If he could just let it all click and hit to right field a couple of times and get back on track he could really REALLY help our club. Damnit.

  112. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:06 pm

    Ordonez looked like he was 41 on that play, not 31. What happened to him? He’s still a “stealth” leader on a lot of cumulative categories, because he started racking up decent numbers at a young age, but he fields like a DH now for sure.

  113. Pilots fan on July 26th, 2005 9:06 pm

    Well, Ichiro made the Hansen point mute now, didn’t he? I still think Olivo had no business batting in that situation. Why have Hansen on the roster if not for situations like that?

  114. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 9:07 pm

    When I saw Maggs’ numbers, I was thinking 4 for Ichi.

  115. world series on July 26th, 2005 9:09 pm

    #111,

    He’s hung over with Carlos. Sorry Carlos, I like you.

  116. Mountainman Ernie on July 26th, 2005 9:09 pm

    # 112….Just to shine the bench.

    Ernie

  117. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 9:12 pm

    “moot” not “mute”. Just for future reference.

  118. Mountainman Ernie on July 26th, 2005 9:14 pm

    Hello, hello, did you all go to sleep or something?

    Ernie

  119. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:15 pm

    As in, “I try to hit the moot button every time I hear Dave Valle’s voice”.

  120. Pilots fan on July 26th, 2005 9:15 pm

    Oh, NO! I hate when others make that mistake. LOL at myself — must’ve been reading jc too much lately …

  121. Mountainman Ernie on July 26th, 2005 9:20 pm

    M’s 5, Detroit 4. You all must have fallen off your stools or something huh.

    Ernie

  122. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 9:20 pm

    JC’s probably at the Tacoma game. And, to his credit, it does seem like he’s really been trying to write more coherently lately.

    I can’t believe I just wrote that.

  123. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 9:24 pm

    Sorry, I was hanging out at Duffy’s Bar. Man, do they have a good selection of alcohol. And it’s all free.

  124. Alex on July 26th, 2005 9:26 pm

    Gotta love the M’s T-shirt promo for some upcoming game. Rizzs continues to allude to the shirt being “perfect for the gym”. Does that mean the shirt is a cheap piece of crap and is worthy of sweating out?

  125. world series on July 26th, 2005 9:29 pm

    That or it’s got BOONE printed on the back.

  126. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:30 pm

    “Perfect for painting the house!”

    Though apparently some folks get styled to go to the gym so they can impress the hotties. The hotties at my gym are mostly in their seventies and past impressing much.

  127. The H-Man on July 26th, 2005 9:32 pm

    Dmitri Young — Nooo….

  128. Bretticus on July 26th, 2005 9:32 pm

    You realy know a team sucks when you can’t be bothered to make witty comments about their suckitude anymore.

  129. Alex on July 26th, 2005 9:32 pm

    Ok, Dmitri Young needs to remember that he’s Dimitri Young. He doesn’t need to mug for the camera like he’s in a P. Diddy video or something. Sheesh.

  130. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:33 pm

    Villone’s doing wonders for his last-minute trade value there.

  131. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 9:33 pm

    Villone noooooooooooooooooooooo.

  132. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 9:33 pm

    I’m waiting for the DUFFY’S BAR — SEATTLE T-shirt promotion.

    By the way, I’m not standing between Dmitri Young and the post-grame spread. Uh uh.

  133. Alex on July 26th, 2005 9:34 pm

    I don’t know what’s worse: Giving up the lead in the 8th, or seeing that (after giving up the lead) your next 3 batters coming up are Reed, Bloomquist and Lopez?

  134. Alex on July 26th, 2005 9:35 pm

    #131 – Looks like you’re not the only one who hasn’t stood between Dmitri Young and a post-game spread.

  135. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:35 pm

    How do you get a name like “Nook”? Come to think of it, how do you get a name like “Exavier Prente Logan”? Exavier?

  136. Alex on July 26th, 2005 9:38 pm

    Who is the Tigers closer, in light of the fact that Troy Percival is injured?

  137. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 9:39 pm

    Exavier is actually a (somewhat) common name. I think it just fell out of favor with names like Prudence, Felicity, Chester, etc.

  138. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:40 pm

    Xavier is a common name. Catholic, saint, you know. Not Exavier.

  139. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 9:42 pm

    The excitement over the “guess how many balls” promotion is now reaching a fever pitch.

  140. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:44 pm

    You know, WHY can’t the first guy since Andre with my last name, and the first ever to play for us, be even halfway decent so I can get a jersey? If I wore a Thornton M’s jersey I’d get attacked in the street.

  141. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 9:44 pm

    You’re right, I thought I had seen it spelled that way also, but the musician Exavier Rivas seems to be the only other guy with that spelling.

    Guess it’s another one of those…creative spellings that seem to be cropping up in the last 20 years.

  142. Goose on July 26th, 2005 9:49 pm

    I’m calling a double here.

  143. world series on July 26th, 2005 9:49 pm

    Apathy setting in on the field. Even Hargrove sees that. Or does he? Why are Olivo and Thorton still playing in July?

  144. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:50 pm

    I’m calling the bartender for a double here. This is nasty.

  145. eponymous coward on July 26th, 2005 9:51 pm

    8-5. Wheeeeee…

  146. eponymous coward on July 26th, 2005 9:51 pm

    PS- you want extra emetic with that, Mr. Thornton?

  147. Shoeless Jose on July 26th, 2005 9:52 pm

    Is Duffy’s still serving? (Isn’t the beer in the Simpson’s called “Duff’s”? I wonder if that’s a reference, or just coincidence.)

  148. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:54 pm

    When I looked at ESPN’s page for Matt Thornton, which says “Matt Thornton RP” I thought it said “RIP”. One can hope.

  149. Mat on July 26th, 2005 9:54 pm

    Farnsworth is Detroit’s closer now that Troy is down.

  150. Matt Williams on July 26th, 2005 9:55 pm

    Isn’t the beer in the Simpson’s called “Duff’s”?

    OOOOOHHHH yeah! Duffman pounds the Duff Beer.

    *pelvic thrust*

  151. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:55 pm

    145 – no, I think I need to keep this one down, Mr. Shadel.

  152. Tikistone on July 26th, 2005 9:55 pm

    Anybody think that the M’s will pull out at least 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th to keep it going?

  153. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 9:56 pm

    Only one run from bases loaded nobody out — at least somebody here can pitch.

  154. Shoeless Jose on July 26th, 2005 9:57 pm

    Yeah, I was just weighing snowballs and measuring hades for that one…

  155. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 9:57 pm

    I think they’ll pull it out. But I’m sleep deprived and not thinking clearly.

  156. Goose on July 26th, 2005 9:58 pm

    151

    If this were 2-4 years ago then yes.

    But with this team? Nope!

  157. msb on July 26th, 2005 9:58 pm

    #111–Steve Thornton said: “Ordonez looked like he was 41 on that play, not 31. What happened to him? He’s still a “stealth” leader on a lot of cumulative categories, because he started racking up decent numbers at a young age, but he fields like a DH now for sure.”

    what happened? knee surgery (meniscus tear) followed by bone marrow edema that took him out of the end of last season, intestinal disorder all through ST, followed by hernia surgery in April. He just got off the DL at the start of July

  158. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 9:59 pm

    Hope fading. Enthusiasm dying.

  159. ChrisK on July 26th, 2005 9:59 pm

    Farnsworth pretty much humiliated Hansen.

  160. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:01 pm

    156 – I knew he was hurt and his knees were bad, but not that bad. That explains why there was so little interest over the winter. I’ve always liked him, I hope he does well. At one point he looked like he was going to turn the corner and be a Hall of Famer. He’s still going to surprise a few people with his career numbers, I think.

  161. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:02 pm

    Find five mistakes in this sentence:

    “D Hansen hit for M Olivo.”

  162. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 10:02 pm

    MLB-TV just quit on me. But I can hardly complain.

  163. Shoeless Jose on July 26th, 2005 10:03 pm

    “bone marrow edema” — man, that’s excruciating just to read.

  164. Goose on July 26th, 2005 10:04 pm

    Ballgame.

  165. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 10:05 pm

    I’m beginning to think they’re not gonna pull this one out after all.

  166. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:05 pm

    A 95 mil team like us can’t really expect to compete against a powerhouse like the Tigers.

  167. world series on July 26th, 2005 10:05 pm

    I need treatment.

  168. solap on July 26th, 2005 10:07 pm

    look at the bright side! bloomers went 2 for 4 and thus will undoubtedly start again!

  169. argh on July 26th, 2005 10:07 pm

    In terms of relief pitching, Thorton is kind of like the dream prom date — no matter what happens, you know he’ll show all the guys a good time.

  170. DMZ on July 26th, 2005 10:11 pm

    bleagh

  171. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:24 pm

    I don’t remember dreaming of a prom date who would show ALL the guys a good time.

  172. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 10:28 pm

    167 – I’m waaaay past the point where I consider Bloomquist to be a significant problem. He’s fine right now. Bloomy can start every day as far as I’m concerned. We need a catcher, some starting pitching… okay, a lot of starting pitching, relievers, a manager and a minimum of two relief broadcasters. Got plenty enough to worry about.

  173. eponymous coward on July 26th, 2005 10:30 pm

    The 2005 M’s are kind of like an emetic…

  174. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:34 pm

    Does it look like Hargrove has put on about twenty pounds since the first of the year? He doesn’t look like a happy camper. He looks like his sleeping bag is wet.

  175. eponymous coward on July 26th, 2005 10:39 pm

    I think you’d be a little verklempft if your first big league job started out winning bigtIme in Cleveland (without QUITE getting the brass ring), and then you went to awful teams in Baltimore and Seattle.

  176. jim on July 26th, 2005 10:45 pm

    This game thread should be preserved in the archives as one of the funniest ever!

  177. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:46 pm

    Verklempt? I thought he was just fat.

    Dmitri Young: “Hey, Big Dog, you look like a man who could recommend a good restaurant here in Sea-Wash”.

    I’ll give him credit for nailing that suicide squeeze/caught stealing home in the sixth. That was a thing of beauty, and a rare case where the manager really did make a difference on the field with strategy. I wonder if he caught a sign?

  178. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 10:50 pm

    Grover’s had plenty of time to get over being verklempt, now he needs to be a mensch and quit being so farmisht. Otherwise we’re farfalen.

  179. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 10:50 pm

    Thank you, thank you. I owe it all to Willie Bloomquist, who showed me Heart, and Derek here, who showed me his copy of Nurse Week magazine in the woods behind his house back in sixth grade.

    Not really, but that’s the way I’m telling it.

  180. jim on July 26th, 2005 11:00 pm

    Over on LL it was noted that the team is pathetic except for Sexson, Beltre, and Ichiro. Which got me to thinking – what if those guys expressed their disappointment a bit more clearly in the locker room? Sure, Ichi is small, but incredibly fast and probably has some bitchin martial arts moves. Sexson and Beltre need no explanation….

  181. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 11:16 pm

    Beltre’s been picking it up as of late, sort of, but he’s still the 25th-best 3B in baseball. Who exactly is he going to express these moves on? He’s only the sixth-best position player on the club, according to VORP, which is nothing to brag about.

    BTW, according to VORP Miguel Olivo is the second-worst player in baseball, after the amazin’ Cristian Guzman, who has had twice as many PA to be lousy in. How can this be possible?

  182. Steve Thornton on July 26th, 2005 11:22 pm

    On the plus side, Richie is now the best 1B in the American League, and is inching into MVP-candidate territory. He’s on the leaderboard in VORP and RARP, and is starting to look like the free agent of the season. I was a skeptic, and still am when it comes to the length of the contract, but Richie has made himself very welcome as virtually the only real bright spot on a bad and boring team.

  183. goodbye baseball on July 26th, 2005 11:24 pm

    Did Evil Rick make an appearance on the thread tonight and I missed it? Damn!

    Then again, maybe he really did make an appearance in the booth. In the top of the 9th prior to Hasegawa being brought in, Rizzs and Valle were discussing how baseball has become more of a global game. After mentioning South Korea has Chan Ho Park, the camera switched to some guys with silver and blue afros in the field level, prompting Evil Rick to say on cue, “Some of them come from Mars.” Personally, I thought the timing was great and brought some levity to an otherwise drab night.

    177: Oy vay.

  184. Gunga on July 26th, 2005 11:33 pm

    182 – Does that mean I have your hekhsher? Oh, genug shoyn!

  185. goodbye baseball on July 26th, 2005 11:41 pm

    183: LOL. And I agree with the last part. Not sure we want to start a whole discussion on the Yiddish language. I don’t know too much more anyway. Then again, Pineiro’s pitching last Thursday in Toronto prompted the Spanish conversation.

  186. Dave in Palo Alto on July 26th, 2005 11:52 pm

    Hargrove is zaftig. Get it right.

  187. Gunga on July 27th, 2005 12:51 am

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  188. eponymous coward on July 27th, 2005 1:05 am

    No.

    And if a month and a half off is going to be a problem for Clement turning pro, consider that the college baseball season is much shorter, so he likely had whole stretches of months off.

  189. aaron c. on July 27th, 2005 1:34 am

    Ya’ know, maybe it’s just the time I put in at the People’s Pub before reading (Hoegaarden on tap, btw,) but this is one of the most entertaining game threads ever.

  190. John D. on July 27th, 2005 2:20 pm

    Re: (# 41) THE BRAND NEW BALLGAME – What are you missing? The same thing you’re missing when the Mariners hit a solo homer, closing the score to 10-1, and an announcer says, “And just like that, the Mariners are right back in it.”