PI: “Winn trade imminent?”
DMZ · July 30, 2005 at 4:13 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Morosi’s got a piece up on the PI site worth reading.
Hargrove said it was “just a day off,” but one Mariners source said Saturday that there is a 90 percent chance Winn will be moved by Sunday’s 1 p.m. deadline, with the San Francisco Giants a late entry to the market.
The thing reads like Morosi following a trail of footprints with a magnifying glass up to one eye.
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kevin correia, nuff said
Just saw on King 5 that Jamal Strong was pulled from the Raniers lineup.
ESPNEWS just said Winn for two mid-level prospects — per the P-I.
But the P-I website says nothing.
Swirl, swirl, swirl.
So assuming the rumor is true, are the PTBNL based upon Randy’s actual performance? In other words, the better he plays post-trade the better the players we get?
ESPN Radion just said, according to Jayson Stark, the M’s and Giants were “closing in on a deal” for Winn that “could become finalized by tonight”.
#53. I’m guessing it would be more like a list of 5 or 6 players who the Mariners can choose from once the scouts get down for an in depth look.
Don’t really know though.
It would be unfortunate if Jamal Strong were nothing more than a throw-in. He’s a Jason Ellison type waiting for a Jason Ellison type of chance. It’s a shame nobody seems to value him.
Hm. “Mid-level” is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, ain’t it?
Stupid no-Snelling rule. I really hope that all this silly roster stuff makes sense in retrospect.
I am hearing dan ortmeier and jonathan sanchez from a few different message board sources, normally wouldnt pay attention to message boards but baseball tonight is talking about it now
Interesting, Jim. We went opposite places with the Strong mention. I just assumed it meant he was coming up to take Winn’s spot until Doyle could come back up.
Though I agree with your point. I feel sorry for the borderline guys who never get a real chance. Especially when so many lesser players seem to get more chances than they deserve.
It is Torrealba and Foppert. Official.
Baseball tonight: winn to giants for torrealba and foppert. I’m not kidding.
Sigh.
ESPN’s Baseball Tonight just reported it’s a done deal – Winn for Torrialaba (sp?) and Fopper.
That is an exciting deal.
Is this a good thing? I know nothing about these two guys.
Wow. That’s quite a haul.
Info for you mariners fans:
Torreabla is an excellent defensive catcher who has struggled at the plate offensively in limited playing time. I consider him a definite upgrade from Olivio et al.
Foppert was once the top pitching prospect in the game. He threw consistently in the high 90’s (Sickels witnessed him hit 99) and had a disgustingly good strikeout rate. However one arm injury and Tommy John surgery later he now works in the low 90s and struggles with his commmand. This season he has suffered from a nerve problem (numbness I believe) and blisters. Postive: he is only one year removed from surgery, so he might futher regain velocity.
Foppert is intriguing, but his numbers are pretty poor this year in Fresno. Hopefully, he is still on the way back from TJ surgery and will continue to improve.
T-alba is 27, not likely going to be a hitter for us.
Just looking at my copy of Baseball Prospectus, Foppert’s a 24 year-old pitcher who was a top prospect in 2002 before having TJ surgery. They’re still optimistic, predicting a 4.29 ERA for this year in 86 IP and then a “big breakout in ’06.” Torrealba is basically described as a serviceable option, his best year being 2002 when he hit .279/.355/.397 in 136 AB with the Giants. Foppert’s definitely the prize of this trade.
Foppert:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7074
Having wantched many Giants games over the past few years Mariners fans will be happy with Torrealba as a backup to whomever is the starter. He’s a twice a week starter with very good defensive skills. He’s the backup catcher you always hope your team has. Thought of in those regards. he’s a good player.
Foppert on the other hand…don;t we have enough guys who, “if they can return to their pre-surgery potential” type of guys?
Torrealba is a decent pickup and can push Olivo. He’s definitely an upgrade from Borders, Wiki, and Rivera, but he’s not a long-term solution at catcher.
Foppert is a real risk. He’ll either be back of the rotation next year or out of baseball.
Kinda wish we could have had Matt Cain, but that would be too much to hope for. I was hoping for a better prospect that Foppert, though.
Do you think Foppert will go to the bigs or do you think he’s starting off in AAA?
re: Foppert to the majors
I cannot imagine the M’s sending him directly to the bigs. He only recently came off the DL for a neck problem and has pitched only twice (poorly both times) in extremely short outings.
#74….probably depends on whether we move a pitcher
Upon further review, yeah, Foppert sounds kinda like Meche, although Meche’s minor league numbers were never nearly as good. Remember, Foppert was a top pitching prospect in all of baseball. It is a high risk/high reward option, i just wish we could finally experience the reward. It’s a good deal for Winn, though, who was expendable because we need a place for Snelling. BTW, who would you guys want more: Foppert or Sean Henn?
Henn’s safer, but really just another back of the rotation guy. We have enough of those. I like Foppert’s upside a lot better, and with all said and done, I’m happier with this, but only if I had a better understanding of his health situation.
Maybe we just want an all Tommy John rotation…wouldn’t that be neat-o?
Now if we can get at least one major prospect for Guardado and decent return on anyone else we are trading, i’ll call it a successful trade deadline.
Maybe there will be more trades later, welcome new fellows to the M’s, home of the pitchers rehad center.
Ernie
Whats e earliest they can recall Snelling? Can they use the Reed collision as a pretext?
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3289354
Latest from the PI. Moyer blocks trade to Astros.
Ahhhh….a little late on that on for me, looks like it was already know by post number 43 or so….
Snelling can’t be recalled until mid-week, unless somebody is disabled.
given what the M’s have been running out there as catchers this year, I don’t mind giving this guy a chance. at the very best, he’s a 2-year bridge to Clement.
SNELLING – (# 82 & # 84) – I think a team needs to orchestrate a DL junket to recall a player early. (And there’s no shortage of involuntary applicants.)
The DL-ing of OLIVO would kill two birds with one stone; it would provide the excuse to recall Snelling, and it would insert Torrealba into the backup catcher spot.
86 – insert Torrealba into the backup catcher spot.
backup I’m not sure I wouldn’t just start the guy.
Snelling BTW is two for two tonight. I believe he was 3 for 4 with a two run homer last night. Go DOYLE!!
The Winn trade is FINALLY up on espn.com…one of the quotes:
Winn said he did not expect to be traded — even though the New York Yankees and Minnesota Twins also talked to the Mariners about him.
“I try not to pay attention to rumors,” he said in a conference call. “I didn’t know the Giants were interested, but I’m definitely happy about it.”
Alou said Torrealba was not getting to play much as the backup to starting catcher Mike Matheny, who has a three-year contract. Torrealba, who has spent five years with the Giants, played in 34 games this season, starting 24. He was hitting .226 with one home run and seven RBI.
“I’m definitely excited about the trade,” he said after the Giants’ game in Milwaukee on Saturday. “I should get a shot to play and that is what I’ve been looking for. I don’t know what else to say.”
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid trade. Winn wont be any better than ellison. This is just another old guy to start over much more capable young guys, like snow over niekro, matheny over the now traded torrealba, and many more ones of the past, like alfonzo over feliz, or for that matter anyone over feliz. Someone needs to shoot sabean.