Down to the wire

Dave · July 31, 2005 at 12:07 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

The trade deadline is officially 55 minutes away, but keep in mind that a lot of deals are completed at near the last minute and don’t become public for several hours. As long as the paperwork is in the commissioner’s office by 1 pm pacific time, it beats the deadline. So, if you don’t hear anything at 1:01, don’t panic.

As for the latest news, it sounds like Villone to Florida for Yorman Bazardo is just about done.

Edited to add: Confirmed, the Mariners have dealt Ron Villone to Florida for Yorman Bazardo and Mike Flannery.

The M’s are still asking for a big return for Guardado, and they may or may not get something done on that front.

It sounds like everyone else is going to stick around.


160 Responses to “Down to the wire”

  1. Dave on July 31st, 2005 9:07 pm

    Snelling’s line in Tacoma this year, when translated to an MLE, comes out something like .315/.395/.480. That’s probably a bit too high, as I think Snelling’s a bit over his head down there, but .290/.375/.450 is a totally reasonable expectation for him next year.

  2. Dave on July 31st, 2005 9:08 pm

    A few years ago we went outside the budget I presume to get a young Venezuelan pitcher named Hernandez…

    Why would you presume that?

  3. Rusty on July 31st, 2005 9:53 pm

    It’s not really LF or Doyle that I’m worried about when contemplating trading for Huff. Really the problem is likely be CF. If this is the best Reed has to offer then it’s a bad deal to have CF capable guys at the corners when you could move one to play CF and have 2 pretty good power left-handed bats in Huff/Ibanez at LF/DH.

  4. Daaaaan on July 31st, 2005 10:19 pm

    #153, you’re going to write off reed based on his first year in the big leagues? smooth. reed has been doing great on defense, and on hitting it’s not abnormal for a player (think arod) to have a rough first year around. i’d much rather have him hit this way this year, than win the ROY and have a sophmore slump next year.

    besides, TB was saying they weren’t trading unless teams put their best prospect on the block. would you trade the m’s best prospect for huff?

  5. Rusty on July 31st, 2005 10:39 pm

    #155. Don’t jump to conclusions. I said I was worried. I wasn’t “writing him off”. Those are your words. I qualifed my criticism of him by saying if this is the best that we can expect of him, then we might look to other plans. If he can improve on this year’s numbers then perhaps we’ll be alright in CF. But he has a ways to go.

    Last year in 58 AB’s he hit .397/.470/.466. Most of those numbers were propped up by an unsustainable singles rate.

    This year in 322 AB’s he has hit .255/.320/.345, and Bloomquist is stealing at bats from him.

    I don’t understand the Arod comparison…
    1994 .204/.241/.204 in 54 AB’s
    1995 .232/.264/.408 in 142 AB’s
    1996 .358/.414/.631 in 601 AB’s

    Which first year are you refering to? By the time ARod was at his 380th MLB at bat, as Jeremy is, he was hitting the snot out of the ball.

  6. eponymous coward on July 31st, 2005 10:45 pm

    Probably not, no.

    I bet Lou would have pumped for Doyle to go to TB in a Huff deal.

    I think the bottom line is this- do you think this lineup is going to be near the top of the league in runs scored (top 5)?

    Lopez or Morse

    If you do, you probably don’t need Huff. (I suspect that even if we invest in pitching it’s unlikely we’ll be a top-5 staff in 2006, so I put it in terms of offense).

    If you don’t, it’s not likely we contend- so how do you fix it?

  7. troy on July 31st, 2005 11:45 pm

    EC, raw runs scored, or park adjusted? I don’t think that lineup will be top 5 overall, but after adjusting for Safeco I think it could be a top 5 offense, or at least very close to it.

    I’m basing that off of four assumptions, some more iffy than others:

    1) This year is a reasonable indication of what we can expect from Sexson and Ibanez next year.
    2) Doyle can stay healthy and perform at or above the level Dave predicted for him above.
    3) Reed makes a big jump in production.
    4) Beltre at least bridges the gap between his 04 and 05.

    I don’t think any of those things are particularly unlikely, although it’s three out of four would probably me most realistic.

    If we put together a big-league bench for once, that would help a lot too. I’m certainly not ready to speculate that that will happen though.

  8. troy on July 31st, 2005 11:46 pm

    Re: 157. In point #4 I meant “splits the difference” between 04 and 05, not actually returns to 04 production. Sorry if that was a bit unclear.

  9. eponymous coward on August 1st, 2005 12:54 am

    That’s fair enough, considering park effects- but I’m not as convinced that 3 of 4 are going to happen. Ibañez is producing well this year, but he’s also 33, and gravity’s going to kick in at some point. Sexson’s having a career year this year, and Reed might take a while to get going.

    I think getting improvement out of Beltre and Doyle performing above Winn are probably the safest assumptions- but even then, Doyle’s got injury history and Beltre’s 2005 is not out of context for his career. He might be the new Bret Boone and only show up as an MVP candidate for 3-4 years out of his career.

    Another bat might help with that…but where does said bat go?

  10. km4_1999 on August 1st, 2005 8:06 am


    I am a fan so I admit I can only assume/speculate. If Hernandez was not a “outside the box” signing then what kind of budget would the M’s have for international talent on a yearly basis?

    It seems to me that the M’s roughly budgeted 90million to start the season for the team, and they have now saved a few million for the rest of the years salaries, so why wouldn’t they invest that back into their future talent?