Game 104, Indians at Mariners
DMZ · July 31, 2005 at 12:49 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
RHP Jake Westbrook v RHP Joel Pineiro. 1:05, FSNW.
Last chance to avenge Ichiro the old-fashioned way. But then, Ichiro’s been avenging himself pretty well.
OF: Ibanez-Reed-Ichiro, Hansen’s the DH of the day.
If deals are filed but don’t get cleared for a couple of hours, this game might be good for, if nothing else, trying to figure out who’s been punted by who’s missing from the game, or the bullpen.
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Always love watching the day games on the trade deadline day for that very reason, trying to figure out just who is or isnt in the bullpen/dugout.
very quiet trading deadline day for all of baseball ….
Ron – See you back here in about two years.
The footage of Lou talking to Randy Johnson in the dugout on 7/31/98 is hard to forget.
I would guess that we’re done, but keep an eye on Eddie.
*Jake* Westbrook
Brian Westbrook can do it all in football. Why not baseball, too?
Nice!!!
According to FSN Northwest, the Marlins have acquired Ron Villone from the Mariners for Yorman Bazardo and Mike Flannery.
Another very good trade for the Mariners. The 21-year-old Bazardo could be a No. 3 starter a couple of years down the line. Flannery, 25, had a 2.21 ERA in 36 2/3 IP for Double-A Carolina and a 5.40 ERA in 16 2/3 IP for Triple-A Albuquerque. He’s nothing special as far as relief prospects go.
I don’t understand why Pineiro being clocked (on stadium guns, no less) at 91 is such an amazing sign. He still stinks.
On Villone: Yes, that’s noted on the post just below this one
Why not but Betancourt at SS. Morse as the DH, and WFB at 2B. Oh that’s right Hargrove is saving WFB to pinch hit for Hansen – always a solid move – pinch hitting for the DH
It does tell us Morse, at least, hasn’t been traded.
Could it be then, WFB has been traded? Every team needs an igniter. Oh wait this is real baseball, not a fantasy league.
I don’t understand why Pineiro being clocked (on stadium guns, no less) at 91 is such an amazing sign.
Last game I was at that he was pitching (the Palmeiro game?) I saw him hit 91 once. Most of the game he was 86-89.
He still stinks.
No he doesn’t! A simple change of scenery, change of coaches, and he’ll be the 40 start, 3.50 ERA pitcher we all know he can be….
Wait, trade deadline’s past, hasn’t it? Sorry.
He really does stink.
Fixed my Westbrook error
Back at Safeco Field, too bad they didn’t get a deal done with Piniero…and a DP gets them out of the top of the first inning with merely a 2-0 deficit
I love the talk about the New Improved Piñeiro Who’s Throwing Low Nineties on the pregame show.
MIddle 1st inning: 2-0 Indians.
At least Bavasi turned over the roster…
#12, you laugh, but it was said that WFB was starting in CF a game or two back because the Twins wanted a look at him there.
We should shut Joel and Gil down and hope all they need is rest.
Unfortunately, if you shut down everyone who isn’t pitching well in the rotation, you’re left with Moyer and Franklin and 3 days of rain…and I’m not so sure about Franklin.
Boy, I’m hoping we’re getting late news that Pineiro got traded
Dave just mentioned Sherrill
Sherrill’s in the safe!
Yep, Sherrill is in the bullpen
e. coward, we’ll have King Felix here shortly. Of course, he’ll probably replace Sele, but if the rest helped either Gil or Joel, then inventing an injury for one of them would be dandy. Aaron can keep throwing batting practice in every fifth game for awhile.
C’mon Richie! The hot shot grounder!
perhaps, just the mention of Sherrill’s name in the pen will be “the spark this team needs” (today).
nice hit adrian!
Beltre w00t
BOOM! Great shot by Beltre! Maybe the team has been sparked!
Beltre!
Suh-weet.
I wouldn’t mind a coors light cold hard blast myself.
I predict it won’t be a pitcher’s duel today.
Dammit!
Not one of Morse’s shining moments there.
Why not get Mateo up now while you still have a chance? Pineiro is setting a new bar for awful.
Maybe Grover can give his customary, “I was happy with Joel’s performance today” speech in the 3rd inning.
Wait — a bunt? Against Pineiro? Why in the world do you give him an out?
Price on the mound in the 2nd inning. Good times.
Good going Joel. Blame the dirt for your bad mechanics.
50-50 balls and strikes so far, that’s not a good sign.
Folks, Adrian Beltre can play.
Price read this morning’s Seattle Times about all the dumb things coaches say when they visit the mound. He wanted to try out the new material ASAP.
I knew missing that DP on Crisp would hurt.
Sadly, Joel can not
41. Beltre is the best defensive 3rd baseman I have seen in a Mariner uniform. And I go back to the beginning.
So, a stupid bunt and a bullet to third are the only two outs of the inning….and still no one in the pen?
Aaaaaannnnd Joel coughs the tie back up again.
45. Agreed. He should have had someone up after the walk.
The tie? I wish.
10 I agree absolutely. Hargrove probably wants to get Hanson some playing time. If he goes 1 for 5 it will raise his average significantly.
I’m sure after Pineiro gets pulled, Hargrove is going to have “a really good talk” with him, as Rizzs kept saying they had last time, where Hargrove focuses on the things Pineiro did well.
So it’ll also be a really short talk.
Fairly Obvious Fact about Piñeiro: “He’s struggling right now.”
Thank God this is a pitcher’s park.
He’s certainly not struggling to pitch poorly.
I wonder if the M’s will try and clear everyone through waivers and see if anyone’s dumb (uh, I mean… astute) enough to claim Pineiro, so they can get out from under next year’s contract
Wasn’t Betancourt supposed to start at short either yesterday or today?
jason
Derek, yeah, they might as well. It’d open up the possibility of post-deadline deals, too.
jason
If Joel Pineiro keeps up this level of suckitude, then the M’s should consider placing him on waivers, with the hope that some team claims him; it would give the M’s room in the rotation for a young starter (e.g., Yorman Bazardo), and it would save the organization $6.3 million next season.
And Wiki continues his hot hitting from, er, months ago.
jason
rototimes: The Pirates acquired Jody Gerut (OF) Pit from the Cubs for Matt Lawton. Gerut will certainly get more playing time in Pittsburgh than he was in Chicago.
Re. #53:
Exactly! It’s amazing, Derek, as we agree for once.
(cough)
Looks like this is going to be a Browns-Hawks score.
If only Morse could have done that in the first
If the Mariners somehow manage to come out on top of this, Pineiro will be credited with a “gutty” performance, and lauded for “sticking with it”
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He has to make it through the 5th inning to have that happen, though, and I’d say it’s less than 50-50 Piñeiro will get that far.
ADRRRIIIIAAAANNNNNN. Do it
Good plate discipline by Sexson there. Now if Beltre can do it again.
At least Westbrook is having almost as bad as Piniero.
Beltre looks just pathetic at the plate sometimes.
That’s the Beltre we came to know and hate early in the season. Gone fishin’.
Whoops, not so much.
Let’s see if the Browns can tack on another field goal…
Ooooooohhh, Bad Adrian returned for that AB.
That ball was no where near the plate.
The Indians have Beltre’s number….2-12 in the series. The last two series with the Tribe have really made Beltre struggle.
Rizzs is joking about trading away Dave Valle for the 12 year old junior sportscaster girl. As if anyone would be stupid enough to make that trade with the M’s.
Rizzs seems more relaxed today. When presented with a junior sportscaster he usually comes across about as kid-friendly as King Herrod.
I’ve heard junior sportscasters I’d trade Valle for in an instant. But then, to get Valle out of the booth at this point, I’d trade him for a gumdrop.
Maybe Bavasi made that deal but it hasn’t been approved by the MLB office yet.
Too bad Rick Rizz doesn’t have a guest sportscaster. Then they could bring in Neil Diamond to do a guess appearance with Rick Rizz. That would be funny.
Does anyone else, other than me, find this new Mariner ad campaign “We’re in this thing together” slightly unsettling? What’s the subtext? That the fans are also partly responsible for the Mariners sucking this year?
How about David Copperfield?
Of course, it’s spelled Rizzs, but let’s be honest with one another — the man simply has too many fricative consonants at the end of his name.
77. Valle for two short planks would be a fairer trade.
Yeah I realized too late that I forgot the s on Rizzs. I always forget the s on Rizzs.
Well, the ad the bothers me the most is the Cingular ad, where the college student calls her dad asking for money. He hems and haws, and finally she says, “Well, I gotta go, football practice just ended.” At which point he says, “I’ll get my checkbook.” What’s the subtext THERE? That if her dad doesn’t cough up some cash, she’s going to prostitute herself to the quarterback?
This kind of game is enough to drive a man to Duffy’s Bar.
#85 LOL Glad I don’t have any daughters.
Speaking of Julio Mateo (a while ago), does anyone else feel like now we have entered the experimental stage of the season we should give him another crack at starting)? It seems pretty clear the organizational weakness is starting pitching depth, so why not let him string a few starts together?
85: I’ve noticed that ad too. I think it’s funny because it actually pushes the listener to have that thought… the daughter with the football team.
DMZ, be thankful this isn’t a game thread full of dating tips from Idahoans.
Meanwhile, Joel shows that he wasn’t listening to the pregame radio show and the keys to the game.
But college football players are amateurs and don’t get paid.. how would they help her with her financial needs?
If anyone out there knows who Bob Monkhouse is, I propose to you that he is Rizzs’s (damn that’s a lot of consonants) alter ego.
Wait, Bob’s been dead for 19 months.
However, there are plenty who believe Rizzs to be one of the undead.
DMZ, be thankful this isn’t a game thread full of dating tips from Idahoans.
Shhhh… I think there’s a Candyman thing going on today. Let’s not mention any names.
The M’s would do well to sell high on both Dave Henderson and Dave Valle, and acquire some of those old Babe Ruth replica bats from Jim Caple . . . the M’s could even throw in Matt Morrison, too, as a part of the deal. Of course, whatever use Caple would have for those three is, well, totally unknown.
And yet good college football players all seem to have nice cars….
Exactly why I phrased it the way I did. Much like referring to a certain ballplayer as ‘Doyle’.
#91
Their dad’s checkbooks.
They don’t have them.. they’re just really into cars, so they’re constantly test-driving them, so as to not violate NCAA rules.
Is that the story? I forget what the excuse is. I remember when I was at the UW… yeah.
Both those Jr Sportscasters were more articulate than anybody who pairs with Rizzs….
Are we going to have to watch Pineiro start another dozen games this season?
Wasn’t it Dave Valle throwing out the batting practice pitches in the home run derby a few years ago when Bret Boone went oh-for? We could DFA Joel and pull Valle out of the broadcast booth and sort out two problems at once.
Yeah, all those boosters who happen to be car dealers with demo models available…
Both those Jr Sportscasters were more articulate than anybody who pairs with Rizzs….
I always love it when the Junior Broadcaster/PA Announcers come totally prepared and rock the assignment. I secretly hope that after their inning’s over they turn to their pro counterpart, point in their faces and say “That’s how you do it, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeyoooootcchhhhhh”
93:
Hi everybody.
#100: Sigh, I think we are going to be forced to watch Pineiro. Was it really just a couple of years ago that he was a lights-out young starter, a guy that right-handed hitters couldn’t touch? Seems like only yesterday.
ec: Didn’t work. You’re going to have to be even more circumspect next time.
Valle is making me miss Henderson now. Hendu’s blatant idiocy and non-sequiturs have more WTF?! entertainment value than Valle’s mumbling and stumbling.
It’s OK. I’ll be in and out all game (mostly out). I have to seed a yard.
Is that what you kids are calling it these days? Good for you.
FWIW, Raul is showing these two games that he can play a passable left field.
I like Hendu’s goofy smile.
Corcoromance, the kibo of USSM…
I don’t think anyone’s argued he’s horrible out there. Winn’s much better, though. Ibanez is below-average compared to his peers.
A kibo reference! Ah, good times.
Apparently DJC got the hookup. Saturday night in small town Idaho worked out for once…
I’m no longer concentrating. Is Pineiro still “pitching”?
Oh, great, and it’s Thornton. What the hell? Did Mateo hit on Hargrove’s daughter?
It’s so frustrating, they had a chance to keep this game close, but Hargrove blew it.
Is it just me, or does Dave sound tired of us losing now too? I’ve never heard him sound so….bored.
I have to admit, I was tweaking the M’s blogosphere links there for a minute. Thornton’s warming up?
What exactly did Hargrove do? I take it that you’re blaming him for allowing Joel Pineiro to be a starter.
Well, why not blame Grover for trotting Pineiro out every 5? Couldn’t we find someone else to give up six runs a game?
I seriously doubt that Alexander Fleming sounded like Groundskeeper Willie.
No, I am physically taking grass seed and spreading it across a yard. I have a wi-fi laptop in the yard, allowing me to rake and type at the same time.
I have a wi-fi laptop in the yard, allowing me to rake and type at the same time.
If true, this is…
words fail me.
Well, not at the same time. I do have to put the rake down to type.
Well, Fleming was Scottish. But they imply that penicillin (or any antibiotic) works against a cold virus. Regence Blue Shield should no be spreading false healthcare information in commercials.
As long as I’m editing them — am I missing any links?
Thornton is the new keeper of the “Hargrove in a hot tub with the Mariner Moose” photograph.
Felix starting on Thursday, by the way.
I can tell you one thing. They don’t surf the internet and rake the lawn at the same time in Idaho. That truly is amazing.
Well, as long as it doesn’t involve a hoe.
You know, you could probably rig up something to hang the laptop around your neck.
Felix starting on Thursday, by the way.
w00t. King Felix is teh awesome
#128 Dave,
Thursday, eh?
FYI, Thursday’s game is radio only in the Seattle area.
What about combining the Roomba with a lawnmower? The Lawnba will make me rich, I tell you, rich.
Damn, I’m going to be out of town. That’s a game I’d like to attend. Oh wait, it’s an away game in Detroit (I’m going to be out of town, but not that far out of town). So I guess we can tentatively project the Aug 9th game as his first home start? Or are they putting him in the bullpen?
#132. Ugh, frustrating. I can’t wait to see Felix pitch at Safeco.
Felix starting on Thursday for the Rainiers or Mariners?
It’s called a mowbot
133: It already exists. My dream has always been equipping it with a webcam and internet-based controls, and mowing my lawn from halfway across the country.
So… Do you think there will be any more trades in MLB announced?
There’s also the robomower
136- M’s. It’s pretty likely that Sele is going to miss the flight to Detroit.
My dream has always been equipping it with a webcam and internet-based controls, and mowing my lawn from halfway across the country.
My dream is hacking your machine and mowing obscene messages into your lawn.
You have a link for Felix starting on thursday?
Nyah. I’ll be half way to Ireland by Thursday.
Rainiers or Mariners?
Guys. It’s really much simpler. Just take an old red Radio Flyer Wagon, put the computer in that, and then take some rope and tie it to the side of the lawnmower. Makes a nice sidecar.
As far as raking is concerned, you just carry the laptop around. It’s not that big of a yard.
There is no link. It’s all rumored at this point. Obviously they can’t make it official until Sele is kicked to the curb.
Touché, DMZ, touché
What exactly did Hargrove do? I take it that you’re blaming him for allowing Joel Pineiro to be a starter.
He has one of the better middle/long men in the game in Mateo, and with Pineiro clearly struggling even more mightily than ever he didn’t get him in early enough to prevent the game from getting out of hand. Hargrove is by no means the only manager to do this, but it is one of those conventional wisdom things (stick with your starter just long enough to beat you) that I just hate.
And why do we have a 12-man bullpen again? And why Thornton, arguably his worst reliever, as the guy he would now choose to try to keep the game (once again) vaguely within reach?
#147 — hehe whats the command for an accent?
And why can’t you rake and type in Idaho? All you need is a basic wireless router and then maybe a range extender if you have a big yard. Much like anywhere else in the country.
OK, new business idea. Hiring former Mariners to come by and perform useful services. For instance, Aaron Sele could mow the lawn, Charles Gipson could trim the hedges, and Robert Machado could walk your dog.
As far as raking is concerned, you just carry the laptop around. It’s not that big of a yard.
Why not just rake the yard, if it’s that small, then go inside, enjoy a cold beverage and watch the game? Why drag out the outside-with-a-rake-doing-work part?
#150 My PC doesn’t fit around my neck.
Raking and typing at the same time in Idaho.
And I thought Arkansas was bad…
#148 – Seems to me Hargorve already tried starting Mateo – didn’t work out too well
Robert Machado could walk your dog.
And argue constantly that he’s too talented to be walking your dog, and should be the nanny instead.
152: I forgot you all are big city folk. Around here, a small yard is about 2 acres.
Its not really speculation, Tim. It just hasn’t been announced by the club. But Felix is starting in Detroit on Thurssday.
155. Just one time, though
Replacing Pineiro with Thornton. Is Hargrove trying to lose? Does he have a bet on this game?
Around here, a small yard is about 2 acres.
And men are men, women are women, and the cattle look nervous.
159: I think it’s because they haven’t steamed the name on the back of Sherrill’s jersey yet. Everyone else is tired.
And there it is, the inevitable Thortnon suckitude. I thought the general object of this game was to win.
I offer my left nut if Thornton gets out of this with zero runs
I love Hargrove’s “Game’s close again? It’s Thornton time” style of managing.
jason
(insert Towel here)
Wait, we’re talking about Idaho again. How does this happen every thread? There’s like a conversational event horizon we cross every day.
Why not give George Sherill a chance?
But Felix is starting in Detroit on Thurssday.
Not a bad place to break in. At least it’s not Fenway.
All our bases are belong to Cleveland.
Dave,
I know bro. I’m just sayin…the team isn’t going to announce such a thing until Sele has been given gas money to get to Poulsbo.
166: When the game gets boring, the conversation drifts to Idaho. I’ll bet there’s a mathematical regression equation that should be able to accurately predict when the game will get so dull that Idaho becomes the thread topic.
And I’ve taken too long of a break. Over and out.
Wait, we’re talking about Idaho again. How does this happen every thread? There’s like a conversational event horizon we cross every day.
Because we’re living in our own private Idaho?
/ducks
#168 — So, when will he be called up?
#170 PLU Tim,
Make that “money for a ferry ticket from Seattle to Bainbridge” and gas money, heh.
Corcoran’s not in Idaho at all. He’s in Ireland!
Shocking proof here
Shoot, since my Adrian Beltre can play comment he has had a not so great game.
Also, he plays a mean bass
(singing) Losing 9-to-5…
Post-deadline trade rumor:
Rick Rizzs’ hairpiece and Jeff Nelson to the Yankees for a shiny new TicTac to fill Dave Henderson’s tooth gap.
I’m pretty sure both Nellie and the rug would clear waivers..
Also, Mr. Corcoran was 2004-2005 “Young Person of the Year“
If Thornton is still pitching for the team next year, Bavasi needs to be taken out to the back and put to sleep.
What a rich and rewarding life Mr. Corcoran is leading.
And he umpires Australian Football.
Is there anything Corcoran can’t do?
I think all the Idaho talk started because someone mentioned a ad where it is insinuated that a girl is going to prostitute herself to a college football team if her father doesn’t give her some money. I guess the whole thought of that made people think of Idaho.
Ichiro must be tired after bring himself in twice yesterday.
He’s also a noted restaurant reviewer:
http://tinyurl.com/88l5o
You guys need a hobby, and google image search is not it.
Corcoran also enjoys licking large, wooden objects.
Kibo and all your bases! What a day on the blogosphere!
Also the president of Kitchen and Bath Gallery.
They should have had King Felix up a long time ago. Maybe that would have been the spark that would have turned the season around for us.
Hit one out Adrian!
I’m going to have a nice chat on Monday.
“So Derek, where’s that chapter?”
“Funny thing about that, I didn’t finish it, but I found out there are a lot of David Corcorans out there, and they all seem to be smiling.”
“Uh-huh. We’re going to have Aaron Gleeman finish your book for you.”
“Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.”
He was also in the Airborne:
http://www.virtualwall.org/dc/CorcoranDJ01a.htm
CURRAHEE!
Good lord! A google of David Corcoran will not reveal the actual David J Corcoran of McCall, Idaho, I believe.
Well, I see my attempt to be circumspect has turned out to be futile. Next time, I’ll refer to it as “the Gem State”.
I’m much better looking.
Is there an actual David J Corcoran? That seems to be less certain than it was a couple hours ago.
Might this explain the Ireland references?
http://heritage.stsci.edu/2000/10/bio/bio_corcoran.html
I think there should be a daily USS Mariner transactions list:
 Placed rookie David J. Corcoran on the 15-day moderation-queue list
 Acquired gadfly Bela Txadux for three aliases to be nnamed later
 Placed author Peter White on the voluntay retired list
 Placed threadjackers XXXXXX, YYYYYYY and ZZZZZZ on waivers for the purpose of granting them their unconditional release
A Corcoran, incidentally, appears in my book.
Beltre’d
Oh, back to the game: I like Adrian Beltre.
AUTOMATIC DOUBLE. Not ground rule double. I hate that.
jason
Almost Adrian.
A world breathlessly awaits the first-ever matchup between players named Betancourt.
It could be even more exciting than last-year vaunted “first-ever marchup between gunshot victims” (Texas’ Nick Bierbrodt vs. Seattle’s Jolbert Cabrera) …..
200: In what context?
Here’s a 3 year old picture of the actual Corco
That’s twice Morse has fanned with men on 2nd and third. I am more and more liking putting Betancourt at Short and Bloomquist at 2nd.
Yeah, Beltre has been unlucky on both doubles — Sexson’s lack of speed on the first, then this.
I think the Betancourts matched up earlier in the series, like Friday or so.
Thornton’s being taken out. A nice performance.
Were their uniforms promptly sent to the Hall of Fame?
I wonder if we bought Nelson a ticket to New York and told him he was just traded… whether Torre would just let him play.
I don’t know if there’s a David J. Corcoran, but SOMEONE made this post about roads in Idaho.
Shouldn’t the Yankees have announced they’ve taken Nellie again yet? (sarcasm intended)
Does the current Vehix.com ad, where the young woman is testing out a minivan by bouncing up and down in it, relate to the Verizon ad where the Father fears what his daughter will do with the football team?
209. I dunno, Aidrian was lucky to get anything from the sun-double. If Sizemore had seen it at all, it would have been an easy fly out.
Sherrill warming up!
Sherill warming up in the bullpen.
209: I think Beltre was lucky that the ball dropped for a double in the first place.
Madristch may come of the DL soon. He’s joined the team and he’s in the dugout.
221: Maybe after a year of rehab or so.
Umm, that doesn’t mean anything. Madritsch won’t pitch this year.
Madristch may come of the DL soon. He’s joined the team and he’s in the dugout.
That seems unlikely, given how recently he started throwing.
Uh, the plan was for Madritsch to travel and longtoss with the team before he goes down for rehab.
If Madristch comes back to start, does this mean we can “forget” Pineiro on a road trip too?
221- It may help if he were to throw a baseball before coming off of the DL
Sitting in the dugout is not a sign that a player is coming off the DL soon. It’s probably more of the opposite. Pokey Reese has spent a lot of time on the Mariners bench, and he probably won’t ever play a single game for the M’s.
My bad, just saw the tail-end of Adrian’s last double. And #221, Madritsch has been in uniform in the dugout for a while, he is going to be no where near a major league start for a while, I would imagine.
Man, Oakland is 1.5 games out of first… How unlikely was that?
Hot Betancourt-on-Betancourt action here.
I think Fairly will need to radically change his belief system soon:
“You know, for the Mariners to win, they’re gonna have to score fourteen runs…”
Betancourt no match for Betancourt.
I wqas wondering if the Betancourts were related, then I looked at the pictures on gameday…..
guess not….
Not Terribly unlikely. The Angels are regressing to the mean. They, like the Nationals, were just ridiculously lucky teams.
I did a write up on this during the ASB on LoL in the Diaries. Of course, I didn’t think that Oakland would catch up this fast but it appeared likely.
Ah, the old bring in the lefty to face Ichiro blunder. Let’s see if it backfires on Wedge.
When Betancourt and Betancourt get together, you can throw out the record books. These two players FLAT OUT do not like each other.
jason
I don’t think it’s that big a blunder; Rhodes is still pretty good, and Reed’s on deck.
jason
Yes, but Ichiro has a lifetime 1.000 OPS against Arthur…oh, wait, two at bats. Yep, Rhodes can still deal. Sure glad we drop-kicked him to save a few bucks, huh?
If the Ti-Gar is only for kids 14 and under, then why is Edgar getting there early? Also, nice job by the M’s re-using that TV spot… all they needed was the new voice-over. With that extra cash, they should be able to sign a #1 starter this winter.
jason
Sure glad we drop-kicked him to save a few bucks, huh?
Well, I was on record as saying Rhodes was probably done entering this season, so that shows what I know.
jason
“And Sherrill strikes out the first batter he faces this season.”
Actually Rick, George was up (briefly) in May.
jason
Welcome back, George Sherrill. On behalf of your employers, we apologize for having chosen the wrong lefthander out of spring training. Thank you for not taking it too personally.
Does sherill remind anyone else of eddie?
Sherill looks great. Is he good for long relief?
And sweet catch Beltre!
I thought his full name was, “Grady Sizemore, the kid from Cascadia High School in Everett.”
Why, is he a clubhouse prankster?
Sherrill is awesome.
Eddie Vedder? Haskell?
nah, i mean the way he attacks the corners with an average fastball, hides the ball well, and mixes in some nice offspeed stuff
eddie guardado
Side note: Baek 5 runs in 4 innings today, ERA now 6.60. That is another spot on the 40man they can clear for callups.
Well, I was on record as saying Rhodes was probably done entering this season, so that shows what I know.
But Jason, as a cook, shouldn’t you be particularly good at knowing when things are done?
Fantastic game for Raul.
A couple of excellent offensive performances so far.
Hey, I just realized Felix’s debut on Thursday isn’t televised.
I know there are various sites/blogs calling for announcers to be canned, like Joe Morgan and the White Sox guy. Are there any for Rick Rizzs?
Coco’s first son: Burnttoa.
More importantly, I’m now out of beer.
Update: I have two Pacificos I can put in the fridge, but that’s hours before they’re drinkable.
Sherrill is looking good
But Jason, as a cook, shouldn’t you be particularly good at knowing when things are done?
It’s not like you can walk up to a player and say, “Hey, could I stick this toothpick into your belly to see if it comes out clean?”
I like Sherill.
You know, the silver lining for our awful first half may be very big. Some of these guys: Sherill, Doyle, may never have gotten a chance.
A .500 first half may have kept the M’s running out the past instead of getting a head start on the future.
It’s optimism day for me.
Derek, I go straight to the freezer with pantry beer. Is that a bad idea from a beer purist standpoint?
230 Speaking of unlikely, Bob Melvin is dangerously close to leading the Diamondbacks back to the playoffs.
No. However, there’s always the danger of freezing them, which can be disastrous.
Oh, for want of an inch….
I think Morse is going to stick in the majors, just not at shortstop. Corner infield, maybe left field if he can track fly balls.
If only he could have done one of the times he was up with men on 2nd and 3rd. Maybe he read all the comments here about his having no power and decided to go for the fences instead of hitting singles to right.
Two runs against Bob Wickman… come on, you can do it.
No. However, there’s always the danger of freezing them, which can be disastrous.
We had a babysitter put a Coke in the freezer and forget about it.
Getting frozen Coke off of freezer walls is not easy.
268 Maybe at DH
i’m afraid to ask, but i guess the guardado thing didn’t work out? Have they showed him in the bullpen?
My sat. guide shows an ESPN game Thurs. at 10 am Pacific, teams TBA. Any chance that they would pick up King Felix’s debut over say, the Red Sox-Royals?
Good Plate discipline by Gonzalez. If only Beltre had some of that.
Rick: just thinkig exactly right.
The kids are alright…
The answer to the warm beer situation is to put the beer and a glass in the freezer at the same time. In 5 minutes, the beer is cooling but the glass is nice and chilled and will taste very good after being poured.
I am happy Grover let Wiki and Beatancourt hit for themselves instead of using auto-out Spiezio. There, I said something nice about Hargrove.
Using Strong over Bloomquist?
Are we sure Willie didn’t get traded?
…Never mind.
That was a rope. Too bad, still a chance…
Ichiro has been hitting the ball hard, but right at people. Maybe they’ll pitch him inside and he’ll pull it over the wall.
Thought Betancourt had a walk-off there for a second.
Home run, Ichiro… Home run.
That was the inside pitch
Oh well
maybe they’ll walk him and see if reed can beat them
Fun, if frustrating game today. Better bullpen management early and maybe it’s a W.
But Hargrove is pleased with what he saw from Joel.
maybe not after all
Someone put Coke in my freezer and I got a Federally paid vacation.
Sigh. Nice game, Joel. Only with this starting rotation would people be getting so excited about Barzado.
So, who’s going to get to a jetliner ERA first- Sele or Piñeiro?
#291 not sure I understand the cynicism. The kid got a spot start at age 20 for the Marlins and stumbled. No problem. I remember the M’s batting around against Colon in one of his first starts. Looks like our second best pitching prospect now.
Is a jetliner ERA an ERA that goes 727/737/747, or one that gets them put on a jetliner for a faraway country with less lenient detenention and contract enforcement policies?
I don’t think Sele’s ERA as a Mariner is going to change because I think he is done.
Bavasi on KOMO in a few minutes.
DMZ-
Usually the first leads to the second, so I’ll say “Yes”.
Hargrove on KOMO forgot about Olivo for several sentences. And then said Wiki is the starting catcher. I’m hoping that just “until Torrealba learns the pitchers / makes me remember who he is”
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Aside from the part where Bavasi is pushing the delusion that winning 4 games in a row is a “run”, some insight into the front office…
Bavasi thinks Rivera has a better ceiling than Torrealba or Gonzalez.
I don’t think calling 4 straight impressive wins against the division leader a “little run” is delusional. That’s exactly what it was, a little run.
All the guys they picked up, not so much on the command, but better with the fastballs. (paraphrasing Bavasi)
It’s interesting that Bavasi mentioned that this was a gamble — that they might end up with some gems in these pitchers, but maybe not, too.
The 1984 Mariners swept the 1984 Detroit Tigers when the Tigers were 35-5 coming into the series. The ’84 Mariners still sucked and the team didn’t hit .500 for years, and winning 4 straight games means diddly. Almost any MLB team will have a stretch where you go 5-1 or 6-0. Heck, KC, had a hot stretch of a couple of weeks when they changed managers.
This team was toast by the first of July- the number of teams that have gone on to playoff appearances after being in last at that point are the ’73 Mets (who were the worst team to make the playoffs ever), and the 1914 Miracle Braves. If we had swept the Orioles, I MIGHT have bought the “run” (since basically, teams that go to the playoffs after slow starts get VERY hot for a while)- but 4 in a row? No.
And yeah, DMZ, I think when your rotation is as bereft of fastballs as the M’s are, gambling is sort of callled for.
This could work out great, or we might end up with Menhart and Hurtado all over again as we comb through pitching.
“I think we have better position player prospects in this organization that other people have given us credit for — even ourselves,” Bavasi said.
Interesting. I like that. That seems a nod to Doyle in my blind-fan imagination.
It’s a nod to more than that. Adam Jones could be pushing for a major league job by this time next year.
Bavasi says Felix will be here soon- they know when, but he won’t tell KOMO. Just soon.
They want to give Strong, Doyle and Choo a shot, but Doyle will go first.
And Willie deserves some at-bats.
Re: 293 My cynicism is both inbred and hard learned, but in this particular case I’m looking at quite a bit of excitement about a AA pitcher who seems to have done well at that level and not so well above it, including one inning in the bigs this year where he gave up 5 runs, 4 of them earned and walked 2 (21.6 ERA). So give him a look, sure. But, get excited? Maybe not so much?
Let’s find a lob ball pitcher. I’ll bet my sweat they wouldn’t hit him harder.
Ernie
And nobody mentions how Bavasi mentioned MATT Clement as our recently signed draft pick? (Funny, I thought his name was Jeff).
I like that he wanted guys with high ceilings, but hey, is this news? And I think it’s interesting that, until all that pitching in our minor leagues flamed out last year, we were known for being overloaded with young pitchers, many of whom were judged to have high ceilings.
We got 4 pitchers back in trade, we’ll be lucky if one of them works out, and we’ll be crazy lucky if that one turns out as high as the enthusiasm on him (whether you think that ONE is likely to be Bazardo or Foppert).
Tacoma game thread. Who IS this Diaz guy on the Royals???? 5-5 with 2 singles, 1 triple, and 2 HR’s. (I was really rooting for that double…)
You can cool a beer or any other bottled beverage most quicky by placing the bottle in a container of ice and adding (cold) water until the bottle’s almost covered. Swish around occasionally. Should make a beer quite drinkable in 10-15 minutes, I’ve made champagne bottles (oops – California Sparkling Wine made in the Methode Champagnois) drinkable in 15 min with said technique. Liquid is a better conductor of heat than air/gas and has greater surface contact. Ice makes the liquid about as cold as you can without owning liquid nitrogen (which would be an instant disaster for your beer, but, I’m told, can be used to make a terrific ice cream – Google it and see!).
Glad to see Sherrill and Strong, expect Snelling soon which means bye bye Spiezio, WFB moves back to backup middle IF which is fine, I’d rather rest Reed with Strong than WFB. Maybe a day or two off for Ichiro and Sexson as well.
Every minor leaguer whose name begins with Y is having their agent contact the Mariners this evening. I’m changing my kid’s name to “Yencer”, it’s gotta at least help him get scouted I figure.
Would be curious to see validated info on what the two offers were for Moyer. If he nixed a trade that would have brought reasonable potential to Seattle he should be ashamed for not being willing to help the club that is paying him way too well for way too long in his career.
If he nixed a trade that would have brought reasonable potential to Seattle he should be ashamed for not being willing to help the club that is paying him way too well for way too long in his career.
That’s re-fricking-diculous. He’s under no obligation to accept a trade, just as the team’s under no obligation to not try and move him. If he wants to value being close to his family over playing for a contender, and he has the choice, that’s all he should be thinking about.
Can someone sum up what Bavasi said on the postgame show for those of us that missed it?
DMZ
RE: 260
Cold beer fast!
Two trays of ice in a stoppered sink. Running cold water. Hopefully you have a double sink and can run the water continuously. Add a cup of salt. More ice in ten minutes; another half cup of salt. Ice cold beer in 15 minutes. Do not exceed the 50% beer bottles/ 50% water and ice ratio. Lower is better.
The physics is boring, but think the old hand crank ice cream urns; ice+salt+motion=cold fast.
It’s a thermal transfer thing. Baaaby!
Only thing faster is a fire extinquisher. Bit spendy for two beers.
Now a six pack…
Hope this helps, at least in the future.
How is liquid going to have better surface contact than air? Better surface contact than ice, sure, but air and water are both fluids. Your idea is sound, though, I’d advise it over all others mentioned here.
Oh, and I 100% agree with DMZ on the obligations of a player asked to be traded. If the team wanted to get something in return for him, they should have done it before he became a 10/5 guy. Some people prefer family, etc. to WS rings, go figure.
Mat,
RE:316
Water is a better direct thermal conductor than air.
I’m not sorry that Jaime is still here. He actually is a community asset. Somehow a bit of return on the cost of Safeco.
skipj,
RE:318
Okay, then say that water is a better thermal conductor, not that it has “better surface contact” as was orginally claimed by Jim. I wasn’t disagreeing that water was a better fluid for the task, just the ill-worded claim about its surface contact. It’s not a big deal, but I like to see a bit more precision in wording an explanation like that.
Oh, skipj, just in case there was a misunderstanding, I wasn’t responding to your comment, I was responding to Jim’s (#313). Yours seems just fine to me.
Mat and Skip,
Um, air is a gas and is thus intrinsically less dense than water. Ergo for any given surface immersed in air or water, there’s more water molecules in contact with the surface than air molecules. This may explain why liquids have greater thermal conductivity (which is true – the fastest computers and engines all have liquid cooling). Maybe my molecular physics understanding is off (only 1 semester of chem) but at a macro/thermodynamics level my assertions are correct.
And I don’t think my notion that Moyer could have chosen to help the team is that re frickin diculous – naive perhaps, but thinking that a guy who has spent 20+ years traveling for a living, and who has done so 4-5 years longer than most of his peers, and who states a desire to do so for at least 2 more years, would be choosing family over baseball accomplishments is equally naive. Bavasi should have dangled a return next year (per Dave and DMZ’s benefit analysis), guaranteed retirement of number, Mariner HOF, any job in the org he wants, leave Karen and the kids here to keep up the Foundation, but spend 2-3 MONTHS in Atlanta in exchange for someone who can help us when you’re gone. Again, naive, pollyanna, rose colored glasses, but I can always hope for win-win thinking.