Game 108, Mariners at White Sox

DMZ · August 5, 2005 at 4:49 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

RHP Joel Pineiro v RHP Freddy Garcia. 5:05, KSTW.

Bloomquist the Ignitor at second. Betancourt at short. Doyle in left, moves Ibanez to DH. Torrealba catches.

Roster moves: Snelling up, Jamal Strong down. Nelson returns from bereavement and Kida was optioned to Tacoma.

I would like now to discuss the myth that Garcia has blossomed since leaving Seattle. Using park-adjusted stats

2004 Sea: 2.5
2004 Chi: 2.6
2005 Chi: 2.8

2004 Sea: 6
2004 Chi: 7.7
2005 Chi: 5.2

2004 Sea: .6
2004 Chi: 1.0
2005 Chi: 1.1


171 Responses to “Game 108, Mariners at White Sox”

  1. BD on August 5th, 2005 7:36 pm

    Putz and Thornton shouldn’t be allowed in US Cellular

  2. BD on August 5th, 2005 7:37 pm

    where do you get the san antonio stats Jim?

  3. theberle on August 5th, 2005 7:40 pm

    Why didn’t the M’s bring Doyle up earlier in the week when Campillo went on the DL? Couldn’t they have brought him up for Campillo, then sent Strong down to bring up Nageotte? Or would that be too obvious, like Dave Hansen’s “sore back” or any NBA 12th-man injury?

  4. LB on August 5th, 2005 7:43 pm

    El Duque and his raft are discussed in more detail here:

    Romero says the boat was not a raft, but a 20-foot craft with a cabin and diesel motor. He says it never took on water and certainly didn’t sink off the Bahamas. According to Romero, a ninth passenger piloted it back to Cuba so its absence wouldn’t arouse suspicions.

    “His claims about being in a raft where the water was leaking in, and rowing along is just a lie,” Romero said. “We never saw a single shark during the trip.”

    How do we get word of this to Valle? It seems expecially (sic) important since he brings it up whenever he’s in the same ballpark as Duque.

  5. argh on August 5th, 2005 7:44 pm

    Now that actually looked like a baseball game out there tonight.

  6. TaeBo Jackson on August 5th, 2005 7:44 pm

    They gawn.

  7. JeffS on August 5th, 2005 7:45 pm

    Every time I watch Eddie I am amazed on how foolish the batters look. Is it just because he pounds the strike zone with two different pitches (fastball and slider) or is it something else?

  8. argh on August 5th, 2005 7:46 pm

    I dunno but we could use some more chubby guys with rotator cuff injuries.

  9. LB on August 5th, 2005 7:48 pm

    #157: Gotta be deception. “Hides the ball well.” At least that’s my guess. Can’t be velocity.

    If the hitters can see the ball while it’s still in the pitcher’s hand, they get an advantage. Keith Foulke got a lot of milage out of hiding the ball well (until his knees crapped out this year).

  10. David J Corcoran on August 5th, 2005 7:52 pm

    143: ARGH! I have to set the rake down to type. Duh.

    98: How old do you think I am?!

  11. skipj on August 5th, 2005 8:04 pm


    He just wants it more. Ever been to his neighborhood in Stockton? He ain’t ever going back.

    It’s like Ali (then Clay) knocking on doors in a St. Louis slum when he was a kid, and telling people he was going to fight, it was going to be on TV, and they needed to watch.

    Eddie doesn’t have what a friend of mine used to call ‘white boy disease’, i.e. options. (If this baseball thing doesn’t work out, I’ll just go to University, learn my father’s business, live off my trust fund…); with Eddie, this baseball thing had to work out. He has the talent, and he throws every pitch like it’s the difference between getting his parents out of a crap/dangerous neighborhood in Stockton and a nice middle class enclave. Which in fact, it was.

    That kind of drive can never let up. Eddie never has. I don’t believe he will, until age or injury sideline him.

  12. Jim Osmer on August 5th, 2005 8:04 pm

    #152 you can follow live box scores at

  13. David J Corcoran on August 5th, 2005 8:09 pm

    Hey, Yorman pitched a 7 inning 3 hitter. This makes me a happy squirrel.

  14. The Ancient Mariner on August 5th, 2005 8:36 pm

    Uh-oh — if Corco’s in happy-squirrel mode, we’re in trouble. 🙂

    Re #113 — at least Harrelson’s better as a broadcaster than he was as a GM; White Sox fans should still be thanking their lucky stars that he’s only hurting their ears.

    Re #115 — all things considered, I think I’d rather give that contract to Millwood.

  15. msb on August 5th, 2005 8:37 pm

    #70–pensive said:”Notice this evening he (Joel) begins his delivery hands high again (when no bsae runners). Hope this helps but wonder why he changed to a different windup at beginning of year?”

    according to Pineiro, it was Price who had him try the high hands in the bullpen, try it again on his next throw day, and then take it into tonights game.

  16. Tom on August 5th, 2005 10:08 pm

    Ya gotta understand about 2005 Freddy.

    He’s got a good ERA (3.78)

    But if he was on a average team, he’d probably have just 7-8 wins instead of the 10-11 he’s got now.

    It’s that smartball Ozzie is playing, that and just dumb luck.

    But I still think he’s a good pitcher, and he’s gonna be key for the White Sox in the postseason. I’m starting to think they might have the pitching to get in the World Series.

  17. LB on August 5th, 2005 11:06 pm

    #166: I’m thinking the ChiSox are this year’s version of last year’s Cardinals (or for that matter the 2001 M’s). We’ll know more, I think, when they build up a larger record against NY and Boston. So far, they have played only one series against Boston (a 2-2 split in Chicago) and none against NY.

    I think it speaks volumes that, after the first ChiSox/Boston game, the in-studio analyst of the ChiSox postgame show said he hoped they drew LAA in the first round instead of NY or Boston. “We match up better against the Angels.” Right. That’s a nice way of saying the NY and Boston lineups are pretty scary for the ChiSox starters to face.

    And in any case, the ChiSox now have to get as far as they’re going to go without Frank Thomas to help them. Their lineup gets a lot less scary as a result.

  18. mln on August 6th, 2005 12:07 am

    What’s wrong with Ichiro? Ichiro is now in a career worst slump of 0-22

    Soon, Tadahito Iguchi will be hitting for a higher average than Ichiro.

  19. Adam M on August 6th, 2005 8:26 am

    The best benefit of the Garcia deal may be the *other* player the M’s dealt.

  20. David J Corcoran on August 6th, 2005 9:23 am

    Oh…I forgot about that guy. That was two “catchers of the future” ago.

  21. Kulich on August 6th, 2005 3:02 pm

    “He was good tonight. Other than those two [home runs], he was outstanding.” — manager Mike Hargrove, on Joel Pineiro’s performance on Friday night

    Weird how good or bad the outcome, the result is always the same with Joel…