Game 109, Mariners at White Sox

DMZ · August 6, 2005 at 3:48 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

LHP Jamie Moyer v LHP Mark Buehrle. 4:05, FSN.

This lineup… wow.
Ichiro, RF-L
The Ignitor (Bloomquist), CF-R
Ibanez, DH-L
Sexson, 1B-R
Beltre, 3B-R
Morse, SS-R
Betancourt, 2B-R
We Call Him Doyle (Snelling), LF-L
Torrealba (“JoeJessica”), C-R

Doyle plays against a lefty, which is good news, since he’ll hit against anything. Four-armed aliens could beam down and throw at him from left/right or up/down and he’d rake doubles off them.

Sunday’s pitcher has finally been announced as SP-R Jeff Harris, who you’ll remember from his “into the breech” performance relieving Jorge Campillo after Campillo left with an elbow twinge.

The M’s press notes include a Bloomquist booster: he’s raised his average from .197 on July 2 to .268. I cheer for Bloomquist when he’s in the game, but despite this prolonged hot streak, that .268 carries an on-base percentage of .310 with almost no power at all. There’s no position on the field where that’s above average (even catchers in the AL hit .252/.309/.384).


Also, you may be able to catch Zach Duke if you’ve got Extra Innings, as his game’s on at the same time. You can flip over during commercial breaks. Duke’s on a crazy tear since he was called up. I’m hoping for a Duke-Felix matchup in the 2007 World Series.

In other news, due to continuous pestering, I put together a prototype USSM shop today. All shirts may become collectors items as we work out how to do this better (see the Doyle jersey, for instance). As a game thread special, they’re all low, low priced because I haven’t figured out markup, but you’re gambling on quality.

Comments

167 Responses to “Game 109, Mariners at White Sox”

  1. PositivePaul on August 6th, 2005 3:52 pm

    I don’t see an “I Comment Less Than Corco!” t-shirt yet. Now that would be a collector’s item :-)

  2. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 3:53 pm

    I know this may be disappointing, but there will be no Corcoran-related items, now or at any time in the future.

  3. John in L.A. on August 6th, 2005 4:00 pm

    You scared me by forgeting Beltre in your line-up.

  4. bill on August 6th, 2005 4:01 pm

    Beltre (or whoever is playing 3rd) is missing from the lineup.

  5. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:01 pm

    I think Corco will be setting up his own retail Web site soon, anyway: “The Corcocabana” ….

  6. dw on August 6th, 2005 4:04 pm

    I know this may be disappointing, but there will be no Corcoran-related items, now or at any time in the future.

    Royalties can be a beeyatch, can’t they?

  7. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:07 pm

    What, no new roster moves today? I feel so empty and unfulfilled.

  8. dw on August 6th, 2005 4:07 pm

    And we have tickets to pay homage to King Felix on Tuesday now. Went down and exchanged the Monday tickets this afternoon.

    Ticket guy: Let’s see… we can get you fairly close to home plate.

    Me: Odd that there’s not more demand.

    TG: Well, there has been the last couple of days, we’re seeing people buying tickets to see Felix. But keep in mind that before last week the only drawing card for the game was Boone’s return.

    Me: Yeah. That didn’t work out too well, did it?

    TG: Nope.

  9. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:10 pm

    #6: According to the Associated Press 2005 Stylebook, the proper reference is: “Bee-otch.”

  10. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:10 pm

    Fairly close to home? On Ticketmaster they don’t have anything I’d consider reasonably close.

  11. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:11 pm

    #11 I think he’s referring to MY home. In Bremerton.

  12. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:11 pm

    Ichiro breaks his slump, we’re jumping on Buehrle, and nobody is commenting.

    Look, I’m not up to making up the bulk of the thread today. I got my butt kicked yesterday moving a friend’s stuff in the heat (one day to move and clean her and her daughter…and I ended up doing the majority of the work).

  13. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:14 pm

    Move and clean for her and her daughter. Please do not respond to that in the way you’re considering.

    Please.

  14. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:15 pm

    I was hoping for some clutch 2-out hitting there. Alas, iit was not to be.

  15. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:15 pm

    What do you think about Buehrle as a possible 300-game winner? He’s at 81 right now, at age 26 and 5 months.

  16. Will on August 6th, 2005 4:15 pm

    About the line-up: if you take Ichiro, Ibanez, Sexson, Beltre, and Doyle, that’s five decent batters out of nine, and that ain’t half bad.

    Doyle t-shirt. Sweet.

  17. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:16 pm

    When did they go from the Ricoh “Keys to the Game” to a semi-functional scouting report? Was it anywhere near when I suggested that would be more interesting?

    Because it’d be cool if that was true.

  18. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:18 pm

    What do you think about Buehrle as a possible 300-game winner?

    The same way I do about all of these things — I don’t. 81 wins now, if you figure he gets really lucky and is a consistent, healthy, 20-game winner, that’ll take another 10+ seasons after this.

    Having a 10-year run as a 20 game winner is remarkably rare.

  19. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:19 pm

    I only think about it because he has the sort of skills set — a control-oriented soft-tosser with good speed-changing ability — that historically ages pretty wel. That, and he doesn’t much get hurt.

  20. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:20 pm

    Jim Thomsen I would say it’s silly to talk about anyone as a 300 game winner before they have 200+ wins, let alone under 100. That’s still 11 years as a 20 game winner (when, unless you’re lucky, the best pitchers are really only on pace for something like 13 or so). Any injury or slowdown…

  21. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:20 pm

    Generally speaking, it’s the high-K rate guys who age well. Control guys without strikeouts don’t fare well. Bill James did a big study on this once.

  22. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:21 pm

    Is the analyst community still down on Scott Podsednik? In his rookie year, he was loved. After that, not so much.

  23. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:23 pm

    Well, and here’s our “control-oriented soft-tosser with good speed-changing abilit” demonstrating what can go wrong with that sort of skill set…

  24. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:27 pm

    Ow.

  25. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:28 pm

    Everyone must be at Seafair. Not that I’m complaining, as we could use a break from the server-cracking bandwith-fest of Tuesday.

  26. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 4:29 pm

    What pitcher do you guys seeing the Mariners getting in the off-season? I see us maybe trading to get Schmidt

    This would be our rotation than:

    1. Schmidt
    2. Hernandez
    3. Madritsch
    4. Moyer
    5. Pineiro/Meche

    Not a bad rotation considering we don’t know what Madritsch and Hernandez can do in a full season…

  27. Will on August 6th, 2005 4:29 pm

    Yeah those runners LOB would have been nice to have in, even opposition homeruns notwithstanding.

  28. Chris Begley on August 6th, 2005 4:32 pm

    Question: Is it just me or is Doyle wearing ridiculously ill-fitting pants?

  29. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 4:33 pm

    Moyer needs to tone down the yelling

  30. shirts on August 6th, 2005 4:35 pm

    I’m disappointed that none of my Corco shirts will be printed. There could have been an entire line of Corcomance tips.

  31. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:35 pm

    I see the M’s trading for some top-line pitching prospect with their excess of positional talent.

  32. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:35 pm

    Tragically, I have to work today, which is why you’re getting a lot of posts from me. Actually, not so tragically. I was a Seattle Times intern sportswriter in the summer of 1987, and here is an actual exchange with my editor from that summer:

    EDITOR BOB: Jim, I want you to head out to the hydro pits today.

    JIM: OKay. Um … what’s the story?

    BOB: No story, really.

    JIM: I see … so, uh, what do you want me to di?

    BOB: Just look for things.

    I haven’t been back to the races since.

  33. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:36 pm

    Mine was to “do” … not “di,” by the way.

  34. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:39 pm

    DMZ don’t you wish for the days when trading cash for players was common? It would make next offseason much easier.

  35. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 4:41 pm

    Heres what our lineup needs to be next year:

    1. Ichiro (RF)
    2. Jeremy Reed (CF)
    3. Richie Sexson (1B)
    4. Adrian Beltre (3B)
    5. Raul Ibanez (DH)
    6. Chris Snelling (LF)
    7. Yuniesky Betancourt (SS)
    8. Yorvit Torreabla (C)
    9. Willie Bloomquist (2B)

    * THAT NEEDS TO BE THE LINEUP! MAYBE SIGN KONERKO AND PLAY IBANEZ IN LF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE US A GOOD LINEUP LIKE THIS!

    1. Ichiro (RF)
    2. Reed (CF)
    3. Sexson (1B)
    4. Konerko (DH)
    5. Beltre (3B)
    6. Ibanez (LF)
    7. Morse (2B)
    8. Torreabla (C)
    9. Betancourt (SS)

    * IF WE SIGNED KONERKO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD LINEUP SOMETHING THAT CAN GO IN STREAKS*

  36. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:43 pm

    Minnesota Twins trade LHP Johan Santana to the Seattle Mariners for cash considerations.

    ooooooooooooh yeah.

    There’s no real reason that can’t happen, though… Selig’s able to prevent such transactions, but doesn’t.

  37. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:43 pm

    *waits for the DMZ eruption on Konerko*

  38. Will on August 6th, 2005 4:43 pm

    You can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him… He Is Willie Bloomquist.

  39. adam on August 6th, 2005 4:43 pm

    I think Moyer aged pretty well. 42. He won 20 games just a couple seasons ago.

    But, ya….Buehrle has no chance.

  40. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:44 pm

    Bloomquist the Ignitor, ladies and gentlemen.

  41. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:45 pm

    Jim: that’s a good Seafair story. I think it’s cool that as a city we’ve got this giant bizarre event where everyone shows up to drink and watch random stuff (though as cool as the Blue Angels are to see, I think the risk/reward tradeoff there is a little long on risk)

  42. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 4:47 pm

    Ok, that was probably seriously overstated. Konerko is a good player, and young enough to continue as such for a while…but he’s a rightie power hitter, and he’s going to command way too much money (although the M’s have more than they’ll probably be able to spend next year).

  43. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:50 pm

    That’s a good way to put it: Konerko is not a piece the Mariners need, and pounding random pegs into holes doesn’t make a championship team.

    Though sometimes it does get you a lucrative television deal.

  44. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 4:52 pm

    What do you folks make of Gary Sheffield’s latest round of sphinctertude? He says a writer made up his incendiary quotes … the the writer produces the tape and proves Sheffield a liar. And his teammates seem to be pretty ticked at him. If you’re Big Stein, what do you do?

  45. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:53 pm

    If I was Steinbrenner as he is, or if I was suddenly me in the body of Steinbrenner?

  46. Gunga on August 6th, 2005 4:54 pm

    45 – Kill myself?

  47. Gunga on August 6th, 2005 4:54 pm

    Sorry, should have been #44 not 45

  48. LB on August 6th, 2005 4:54 pm

    #44: Twenty or so years ago there were Red Sox players who claimed they were misquoted… in TV interviews!

  49. LB on August 6th, 2005 4:55 pm

    There’s no position on the field where that’s above average (even catchers in the AL hit .252/.309/.384).

    Where on the web do you dig up that kind of stat?

  50. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 4:57 pm

    It cracks me up when people just behind the foul screen flinch when a ball’s hit right at them ( or they duck out of the way/put their hands up/etc) and then act embarassed.

    We’re conditioned over millions of years of evolution to do that: your body starts pumping all kinds of crazy stuff in your veins to allow you react, your pupils dilate, etc, because not being able to get out of the way of fast-approaching objects meant death and inability to spread your genes.

    It’s like apologizing for turning oxygen into carbon dioxide to survive. We are what we are.

  51. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:00 pm

    #50: Every time I go to an IMAX movie, I emerged drenched in sweat from trying to survive all the rocks, volcanic debris and bullets being “sprayed” at me … I feel like I’ve spent three hours running the first-night Shawshank Gauntlet ….

    As you say, it’s a reflex that goes deeper than any conditioning over any number of years.

  52. Matt Williams on August 6th, 2005 5:02 pm

    DMZ but we’re also conditioned by society to be stoic and recognize the difference between true danger (walking up to a grizzly and punching him) and percieved danger (hopping on The Grizzly at Silverwood).

    Society has a very hard time competing with nature on a reactive level, but afterwards things can get awkward. Just watch any frat party.

  53. Chief on August 6th, 2005 5:03 pm

    #44 Shefield is what he is and his latest antics are no suprise.

    Steinbrenner will do nada as long as Sheffield produces on the field.

  54. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:04 pm

    I’m not sure that’s supported by historical evidence: in the past, Steinbrenner’s reacted irrationally to players who he felt had attitude or personal problems but who produced on the field.

  55. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:08 pm

    If there’s nothing else you have to like about Snelling, the fact that he’ll run out a weak grounder after he’s slipped getting out of the box. Kinda cool.

  56. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:09 pm

    Rizzs nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  57. adam on August 6th, 2005 5:10 pm

    What about Rizz?

  58. Daaaaan on August 6th, 2005 5:11 pm

    Even catchers in the AL get on base more often than beltre? Amazing.

    Oh wait you guys were busy complaining about bloomquist again. My bad!

  59. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:16 pm

    Wow, 58 posts after 5. That’s gotta be a record. I wasn’t at Seafair, I was crashed on my couch, drooling on the cushion for half of the game. I used to set an alarm for the game when I’d take my Saturday afternoon nap. Now, why bother, eh? Doesn’t look like I’ve missed too much. But here comes Ichiro! The season turns right this moment.

  60. Chief on August 6th, 2005 5:17 pm

    # 54 That is correct, but he has also tolerated some quwestionable behavior from many of his players, both in the clubhouse and out in society. My thinking that he will do nothing about Sheffield at this time is based on the way the season is going for the Yanks and Sheffield’s offense: OBP: .393, SLG: .528, AVG: .303, HR 22, RBI: 83. But I could be way wrong on this because as you say Steinbrenner is often irrational (or maybe unpredictable is a better description).

  61. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 5:18 pm

    As long as we’re talking about good moves made by the Ms front office, I’ll throw in my fantasy.

    Somehow, the Ms acquire Adam Dunn and we get to stick him in LF, move Snelling to DH and trade off Ibanez and Mike Morse for Rich Hill. Oh and Lopez reaches his PECOTA potential.

    Oh yeah. Dynamite team right there.

  62. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:18 pm

    Thank goodness I woke up in time to listen to Rick and numbnuts rave about WFB, Mr. 3 for 3.

  63. Chief on August 6th, 2005 5:19 pm

    WFB owns Buehrle!!

  64. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:19 pm

    That’s what I meant… you can’t count on Steinbrenner to take some player comments and make a rational decision about weighing discontent against that guy’s actual contribution.

  65. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:19 pm

    Oops, sorry DMZ – I realize “numbnuts” might be construed as name-calling. Never again.

  66. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:19 pm

    He’s magically Willicious!

  67. LB on August 6th, 2005 5:20 pm

    #60: Younger Steinbrenner (1970′s) was much more erratic that present-day Steinbrenner,

  68. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 5:20 pm

    little knock baby little knock!!

  69. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:20 pm

    “magically Willicious”

    Here’s hoping that doesn’t appear as a headline in The Sun anytime soon…

  70. LA M's Fan on August 6th, 2005 5:21 pm

    that’s because Younger Steinbrenner (1970′s) hadn’t hired Costanza.

  71. Will on August 6th, 2005 5:21 pm

    Willie Bloomquist… en fuego

  72. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:22 pm

    Ow.

  73. B-Nem on August 6th, 2005 5:22 pm

    Willie Blue, doing it again. The–apparently–small number of us who like seeing him play are getting a treat. Oh crap, what Mariner luck with that Sexson liner!

  74. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 5:22 pm

    At what point in the season do you think you can safely move the interests of your fantasy team above your rooting MLB team? Or is it ever OK?

  75. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:22 pm

    No fear, Laurie … I’m editing the news wire tonight. I’m pancreas-deep in “Das Boot” metaphors regarding the Russian sub rescue attempt.

  76. edgarfan on August 6th, 2005 5:23 pm

    Ugh. Too much more of this, and we’ll be looking at a WFB number-retirement ceremony sometime around 2015.

  77. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:23 pm

    In the interest of making Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan happy:
    Beltre’s .257/.296/.416 is below the league average line of .269/.330/.427.

  78. John in L.A. on August 6th, 2005 5:23 pm

    Was anyone else shocked that Sexson was still thrown out at first?

    He lumbered over there like Jabba the Hutt.

    In stark contrast to the hustle DMZ was pointing out from Snelling earlier.

  79. edgarfan on August 6th, 2005 5:23 pm

    Re: #74 – I did this sometime back in May.

  80. edgarfan on August 6th, 2005 5:25 pm

    Or, let’s just say that if one of my fantasy hitters were going up against the M’s, I hoped for about a 15-12 M’s win…

  81. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:26 pm

    74 & 79 – I think I held off until after Memorial Day this year. Last year it was around Tax Day.

  82. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:26 pm

    That makes Beltre about as valuable offensively as a second baseman (and more valuable than catchers and pinch-hitters)

  83. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:27 pm

    Gotta be careful about that. If it weren’t annoying to talk about fantasy baseball on a game thread I would tell you my 2003 Rondell White story.

  84. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:29 pm

    OK, I have a question about Beltre – I would really appreciate input on this. Seriously:

    At the beginning of the season I made a huge bet with a friend in LA that Belte would NOT suck this year. He bet that Beltre would suck.

    We both agreed that the definition of “suck” would be apparent by the end of the season.

    Is it too early to call yet, or should I concede?

  85. edgarfan on August 6th, 2005 5:29 pm

    Laurie – you’re totally right – sorry! No more fantasy baseball talk from me!

  86. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:30 pm

    Depends on what you two expected … and what would be resonable to expect. And how wide the gap is between those two.

  87. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:30 pm

    I would not concede the bet yet, but you might want to get that money ready.

  88. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:32 pm

    I remember the last time the White Sox were playing well while the Cubs sucked, and there was a fan banner in Comiskey that said “go back to Wrigley yuppie scum”

    Fan spirit, folks.

  89. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:32 pm

    I think it’s going to be one of those Potter Stewart “I can’t define ‘suck’ but I’ll know it when I see it” kind of things.

    And, it’s way more than money. I’m starting to feel a little queasy about the whole thing.

    But OK, I will not concede yet. I mean, he could still hit 30 HRs, right?

  90. ttown on August 6th, 2005 5:33 pm

    Willie B is a treat to watch. I think those who still view him a substandard roll player should wait until the final numbers are in the end of this season before harping on what he did before getting a chance to play every day.

    IMHO the ignitor label is pretty much right on today. Now if we can only get those cows in the “power” part of the order to do something, this could be an exciting team to watch the rest of the way.

  91. Daaaaan on August 6th, 2005 5:33 pm

    beltre needs another june or two to salvage this season.

  92. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:34 pm

    I’d be willing to say, at least, that WFB does not suck.

  93. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:35 pm

    Zach Duke, btw, getting hit but with a 5-1 lead looks like he’s going to notch another win. Assuming he goes 6, gives up 8-9 hits, walks (unintentionally) 1 and Ks 4-5, he’ll be credited for scrappiness and working out of jams (scattering hits).

    Pirates, on another note, intentionally walk guys all the time. Dummmbbbb.

  94. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:36 pm

    Re WB: Remember a few years ago when everybody was excited about Bo Hart? Same player.

  95. edgarfan on August 6th, 2005 5:36 pm

    88: Having gone to grad school in Chicago, I’d have to say that banner spoke the truth… Everyone went to see the Cubs; Comiskey (or ‘US Cellular’) is in a NASTY neighborhood. Really sketchy…

  96. dw on August 6th, 2005 5:36 pm

    Laurie — Here was Beltre’s PECOTA projection:
    .279/.337/.486, 26 HRs

    Let’s say that’s the suck/non-suck line. Here’s the current full-season extrapolation (through last night):
    .256/.295/.415, 21 HRs

    In short, make sure you have exact change ready.

  97. Jim Thomsen on August 6th, 2005 5:36 pm

    Willie is having his David Newhan moment. By all means enjoy it … and then savor the memories after it’s over.

  98. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:37 pm

    Willie B is a treat to watch. I think those who still view him a substandard roll player should wait until the final numbers are in the end of this season before harping on what he did before getting a chance to play every day.

    I’ll skip what the view on Bloomquist is: I think everyone concedes that as a UT player, Willie’s fine enough, but the divide comes when we talk about him as an everyday guy.

    I must disagree with your last statement, though. Bloomquist has had repeated opportunities to play everyday and done nothing with them. To say that this is his first chance at regular playing time is simply not true.

  99. Jim Osmer on August 6th, 2005 5:37 pm

    Did you hear that music they played when Ichiro came up?

  100. skipj on August 6th, 2005 5:38 pm

    One small upside of this season is that the announcers, in desperation to find anything positive, periodically mention noteworthy minor leaque stuff.

    Rizzs mentioned that Yorman pitched lights out in a 13-1 San Antonio win last night.

    There’s hope, folks. There’s hope.

  101. dw on August 6th, 2005 5:40 pm

    Did you hear that music they played when Ichiro came up?

    That was questionable.

  102. sj on August 6th, 2005 5:41 pm

    Laurie – My friend told me after the signing that all of LA had the same hope since 99. 2004 was an abboration.

    As I swallowed my pride and admitted defeat last week, his comment was, “this season is no different than every other Beltre season minus last year.”

    Sad, but true. Question to the masses… Would you rather have Morse or Beltre at third?

  103. Dave in Palo Alto on August 6th, 2005 5:41 pm

    What was it?

  104. Jim Osmer on August 6th, 2005 5:41 pm

    #102 actually I thought it pretty rude, thought I misheard it for a minute

  105. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:42 pm

    Oh, and as to the issue of by-position league averages: Baseball Prospectus offers these. I think they’re also available elsewhere, but I don’t have links handy. Sorry I missed that question.

  106. Jeff Sullivan on August 6th, 2005 5:42 pm

    Zach Duke, for what it’s worth, was pitching in A-ball as late as last June/July. His development has just been remarkable.

  107. Jim Osmer on August 6th, 2005 5:44 pm

    Bucknor has been a bad ump all his career.

  108. Phil on August 6th, 2005 5:44 pm

    He was so out.

  109. Matt Staples on August 6th, 2005 5:45 pm

    It can’t just be me who thinks this — I see C.B. Bucknor screw up more calls than any other umpire in either league. It’s almost comical.

  110. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:45 pm

    Sad, but true. Question to the masses… Would you rather have Morse or Beltre at third?

    Uh… it’s sad but not true. Again, go look at his lines. We fight this over and over, but the short version is that he did have good seasons earlier in his career. There were bad years in there, and 2004 was a huge year, but it’s not as if his career was pure suckitude followed by a massive, out-of-nowhere performance.

    So Beltre.

  111. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 5:45 pm

    96 – thanks, that’s a good “suck/non-suck” line. I suspect I’m going to lose. Woe is me.

    Every time I see C.B. Bucknor I get a little “I miss Lou” lump in my throat.

  112. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:45 pm

    Doyle, ladies and gentlemen.

  113. matthew on August 6th, 2005 5:45 pm

    DOYLE!

  114. Chief on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    Beltre can pick’em. The ump blew the call.
    Grover comes out of the dugout like he is strolling down Northgate Mall. Does they guy ever get excited? Sweet Lou would have been thrown out of the game before Grover got out there.

  115. Phil on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    CHRIS SNELLING is the MAN!

  116. John in L.A. on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    This Willie love is insane. As a regular, of course.

    Even in this, his touted “ignitor” season… the much praised and beloved performance that people claim “forces us to play him”…

    Even then his OPS is, as of yesterday, is .641!

    That’s pretty much the lowest in the line-up except Torrealba.

    I will neveer understand the love.

    It defies all logic.

  117. Kulich on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    102:

    Umm, I’d take the 26 year old with almost 8 years of experience, 161 homers, and 569 rbis anyday. Obviously Beltre has potential, Morse has hit a lot, but hasn’t done anything special that I’d sit Beltre for him.

  118. dw on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    Why does it seem like it’s ALWAYS CL Buckner?

    It’s like he’s the guy who’s handling all the umps’ combativeness now.

  119. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:46 pm

    Two great things about that catch: he made it and then, from his knees, he threw to second and it was right on the money.

  120. dw on August 6th, 2005 5:47 pm

    Snelling. Dude.

  121. skipj on August 6th, 2005 5:47 pm

    Wow.

    Doyle! Gotta buy a shirt.

    Hey DMZ, how come the printing is so small on the shirts?

    Is it the only option?

  122. Chief on August 6th, 2005 5:47 pm

    Snelling will be on tonight’s top 10 highlights.

  123. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:47 pm

    On that line-drive, I almost expected Bucknor to call it safe in retaliation for Sexson questioning his earlier blown call.

  124. Jim Osmer on August 6th, 2005 5:47 pm

    Doyle is not allowed to dive for the ball.
    Actually he did not need to dive at all.

  125. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:48 pm

    The image is limited to 10″ x 10″. As we get better designers working on it, things should improve. This version’s me playing around.

  126. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:49 pm

    Actually he did not need to dive at all.

    Yes, because his glove is located on his foot, and he could have just run through it.

  127. Jim Osmer on August 6th, 2005 5:49 pm

    There are Doyle shirts? I want one, maybe two!

  128. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 5:50 pm

    There’s a.. uhh.. beta version of the Doyle jersey shirt on the site, linked way up top.

  129. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 5:51 pm

    I don’t ever recall Bloomquist getting a chance to play everday like he is right now… Its hard to get in a streak like he sirght now unless you play everyday… I don’t remember if you guys recall but Beltre was banged up a lot for that first half… He had a good June which shows us what he can do if hes healthy… Beltre will have a 30+ HR season next season…

  130. dw on August 6th, 2005 5:52 pm

    Current ad behind the plate:

    PENTAX
    Digital Cameras
    Endoscopes

    What the demographic for that ad? I just can’t see some guy in Skokie yelling into the kitchen:

    “Hey honey, when we buy a new endoscope, let’s make it a Pentax.”

  131. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 5:55 pm

    Rowand plese don’t try and be like Doyle… Your not that good… Here comes a 2 run HR

  132. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 5:56 pm

    Somehow I see Politte pitching around Beltre with FB open and Morse due up.

  133. Jeremy on August 6th, 2005 5:56 pm

    Off-topic: The Rangers have signed Aaron Sele to a minor league deal.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rangers-sele&prov=ap&type=lgns

  134. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 5:56 pm

    Well, he should have.

  135. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 5:57 pm

    Could Beltre of hit that ANY harder? SHEESH!!!

  136. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 5:58 pm

    Here comes a 2 run HR

  137. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 5:58 pm

    Way to let me down Morse… His lucky streak is over… 0-4 4 groundouts today… Send him down bring up Adam Jones…

  138. Jason Lake on August 6th, 2005 5:59 pm

    Beltre appears to be planting off the edge of his left foot. Wazzupwitdat?

  139. sj on August 6th, 2005 5:59 pm

    110

    DMZ – Take away his heroic year in 2004, and Beltre has a career .722 OPS. Now I would love for him to have a 2004 year every year, but this year is the Beltre that he has ALWAYS been.

    I would rather have the $60 mil to pay starting pitchers than an average 3B who had a marvelous MVP year in the last year of his contract.

  140. skipj on August 6th, 2005 5:59 pm

    DMZ,RE: T-shirts

    If your still playing with it, maybe block the letters into that 10×10.

    U S S
    MARINER
    .com
    Letters could be 2″ tall and 1.25″ wide. Good for caps. (The I in Mariners would be 1″ wide.)

    It’s your deal, but every once in a while the advertising guy I used to be sneaks out. Seriously, I would buy several.

  141. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 6:01 pm

    Whatever, we’ve argued Beltre so many times here the facts are worn and dog-eared. I’m not going to rehash this again.

  142. Daaaaan on August 6th, 2005 6:02 pm

    last year i had mlb.tv, and used to watch angels games because i had anderson, glaus, figgins, and k-rod on my fantasy team.

    anyways, the one of the most consistent statements by the angels broadcasters was, if they were down and someone was on base, was:

    “wouldn’t it be great if X jacked a bomb right here?”

    where X is anyone hitting in the #2-#6 spots.

    now, make no mistake, through the first 6 weeks of 2004 that lineup was red hot, and it happened a fair bit. but it’s like, how can someone not feel silly calling a home run every time?

  143. yaktown on August 6th, 2005 6:03 pm

    Hey, whats the status of Pokey Reese… They just going to leave him on DL all year? We need him at 2B over Morse…

  144. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 6:04 pm

    Reese is gone for the year. Surgery.

  145. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 6:05 pm

    Zach Duke just struck out Repko, Bradley, and Kent in order in the 7th. Oooh that was sweet.

  146. steve on August 6th, 2005 6:05 pm

    DMZ — Email me with your contact info, and I will have one of my designers create a logo/design for the shirts as a public service.

  147. Long Suffering on August 6th, 2005 6:07 pm

    What starting pitching would we have gotten with that 12mil/year? Jaret Wright? Eric Milton? Jon Lieber? Carl Pavano? Odalis Perez? It’s not like there was rotation saving pitching to be had out there or will be this offseason.

    I fully expect Beltre to find his career path inbetween the 04 season and the previous years. Thinking some around .285 with 30-35 HR. With his defense and age, it’s no contest.

  148. boo nelson on August 6th, 2005 6:08 pm

    145, mmm…keeper league

  149. Alex on August 6th, 2005 6:14 pm

    RE: Beltre.. this should speak volumes:

    Beltre Stats

    According to the “Most Similar By Age”, he has been compared most similarly with Ron Santo, which is no shabby person to be compared to.

    If that’s considered “sucking”, then so be it. Also (as has been chronicled here and elsewhere), Beltre has played through several injuries in his previous years, including a botched appendectomy that was done somewhere in South America, I believe. Having personally experienced the “joy” of a successful appendectomy, I can only shudder to think how horrible a botched appendectomy might be. And, let’s not forget that the guy is only 26 years old. I don’t think anyone should be writing him off as the second coming of Jim Presley or (gag) Jeff Cirillo yet.

  150. jtopps on August 6th, 2005 6:15 pm

    Duke vs. the King — oh the marketing opportunities…

  151. dw on August 6th, 2005 6:15 pm

    I’ve heard Rizzs at least twice in the last two days compare this Sox team to the Go-Go Sox.

    1959 Sox: .250/.324/.364
    2005 Sox: .265/.326/.428

    1959 Sox: 1.28 WHIP, .236BAA, 3.29 ERA
    2005 Sox: 1.28 WHIP, .250BAA, 3.66 ERA

    Somewhat similar, but not that similar.

  152. Alex on August 6th, 2005 6:18 pm

    #151 – I would think that if you compared each team’s statistics from their given years with respect to the league average, you might find that the numbers become a bit more similar. Admittedly that’s conjecture on my part, but that’s my hypothesis anyhow.

  153. Daaaaan on August 6th, 2005 6:19 pm

    #149 i’ll actually agree with DMZ on this one and say we should not rehash the beltre conversation(s). my take is we’ll have to wait and see whether or not this deal was the right one.

  154. dw on August 6th, 2005 6:19 pm

    And another thing: I haven’t seen the same level of outcry against the abomination that is Ti-Gar as I did against a bunch of women knitting.

    Yes, people on here have condemned the Dr. Moreau-ness of Ti-Gar, but I haven’t seen one letter to the Times about it yet… while there’s a rolling epistle-fight over Stitch-n-Pitch in the editorial page.

  155. DMZ on August 6th, 2005 6:21 pm

    Jeff Shaw is, I believe, too terrified to come out in public for fear of being assaulted by a Ti-Gar.

  156. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 6:23 pm

    So, isn’t someone gonna call a home run right now?

  157. dw on August 6th, 2005 6:25 pm

    Ti-Gar! Ti-Gar! burning bright
    On the diamonds of the night,
    What inferal marketing guy
    Brought forth thy evil mimicry?

    Willie Fkn Blake, 1794

  158. Daaaaan on August 6th, 2005 6:25 pm

    #156, i’ve been pointing to left field for the past 30 minutes

  159. boo nelson on August 6th, 2005 6:25 pm

    156, so much for that

  160. jtopps on August 6th, 2005 6:25 pm

    Boy, Ichiro was a real bust. He didn’t win the game for us and we never should have signed him. And my memory only lasts four games.

  161. Laurie on August 6th, 2005 6:26 pm

    157 – that’s the first thing that’s made me laugh out loud today. Congrats.

  162. Dave in Palo Alto on August 6th, 2005 6:28 pm

    Goin’ outside to smoke a Ci-gar. Night all.

  163. dw on August 6th, 2005 6:28 pm

    That should be “infernal,” not “inferal.” Oops.

  164. Bela Txadux on August 6th, 2005 8:18 pm

    T-shirts are a cool idea. Men’s sleeveless for me, when the design phase is done.

    “Doyle: the Bloke with the Stroke”

  165. andy on August 6th, 2005 9:42 pm

    not our catchers.

  166. aaron c. on August 6th, 2005 11:30 pm

    Also, props on giving folks the option for going the American Apparel route on the shirts. For us hippie types, y’know.

  167. Scraps on August 6th, 2005 11:44 pm

    In the versions of the story I’ve read, Sheffield did not say the reporter made stuff up; he said the reporter was determined to paint him in a negative light. All New York magazine did in saying they had the tapes is to say Sheffield said the things they quoted; they said nothing about what might have been left out.

    As for his teammates being “ticked off”, where does that come from? I saw quotes from Jeter, A-Rod, and Torre; each of them basically amounted to a shrug.