“Snelling Likely Done for Season”

DMZ · August 12, 2005 at 10:46 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

PI’s got the story up. We won’t really know until they crack it open and look.


48 Responses to ““Snelling Likely Done for Season””

  1. argh on August 12th, 2005 10:52 pm

    Well. That kind of puts a damper on things, doesn’t it?

  2. Rusty on August 12th, 2005 10:58 pm

    I know some don’t want to hear about silver linings right now but I can think of a few. One, the team obviously thinks of Doyle as a Major Leaguer. I don’t think he has anything left to prove to the team by spending even more time in the minor leagues except on rehab assignments. Two, they traded Randy Winn to make rooom for him. Three, this season is a lost cause anyway. Four, Doyle did get some good rep’s this season after about 2.5 lost seasons. If his next active stint is half again as long as this one was, and his next injury half as serious, he might be able to stick around for most of next year, all at the major league level next year.

  3. Koji on August 12th, 2005 11:11 pm

    “‘He’s very capable of being a good major league player,’ Bloomquist said.”

    I wish I could say the same thing for you WFB. I love that Bloomquist feels qualified to judge the ML potential of Doyle.

  4. eponymous coward on August 12th, 2005 11:11 pm

    Uh, how can you hand a major league job to someone who’s spent exactly zero years off the DL in pro ball?

    I love the dude, but if you’re anything other than a rabid fan, like, say, a GM, you have to consider other options for an OF than Doyle. He’s going to have Tony Oliva knees if he keeps doing this (Oliva’s a good example of a great hitter who ended up betrayed by his body- except he actually GOT to have a career before he started getting injured), and the M’s are kinda flush with LH OF’ers without a lot of sock but some average.

    It’s a conundrum that’s going to make Bavasi earn his salary this winter, I’ll bet…

  5. eponymous coward on August 12th, 2005 11:14 pm

    I love that Bloomquist feels qualified to judge the ML potential of Doyle.

    Go look up Dick Williams’, Sparky Anderson’s and Tony LaRussa’s player stats on Baseball Reference. (I’d add Earl Weaver, but I don’t think he PLAYED in the majors.)

    Now, go look up their managerial stats.

    Contrast with Frank Robinson and Ted Williams.

    See my point?

  6. curt on August 12th, 2005 11:18 pm

    #3 I don’t think an opinion should necessarily be viewed as a judgement. Obviously someone asked his opinion and he gave a positive response. What’s so troubling about that?

  7. Jake S. on August 12th, 2005 11:40 pm

    5 — Once Bloomquist wins 10000 games then we’ll let him judge.

  8. Jake S. on August 12th, 2005 11:40 pm

    er 1000 games…whoops

  9. eponymous coward on August 12th, 2005 11:46 pm

    So…the bloggers on this site and random fans are allowed to comment on player skills, but a MLB baseball player who plays baseball better than 99% of the people on this planet isn’t?

    Jeez, hate on Bloomquist much?

  10. Chief on August 12th, 2005 11:50 pm

    #3 See #5 and #6. Not to add on Koji but it is strange that you don’t think WFB is qualified to voice an opinion yet you voice your opinion in the very same sentence.

  11. shwa on August 12th, 2005 11:50 pm

    uh..what do we call him now?

  12. ChrisK on August 12th, 2005 11:52 pm

    I wouldn’t necessarily blame WFB. The local writers I’m sure asked him for a quote, as they probably view him as the new “face of the team”. I threw up in my mouth typing that last part.

  13. Jon Wells on August 13th, 2005 12:17 am

    Below is the scariest part (from Saturday’s P-I) althought I’d be a lot more concerned if I actually thought it was true. I don’t care what Morosi says — I highly doubt that the M’s are going to just hand Spiezio the DH job the way he’s hit this year. As poorly as Choo has played this year, they’re probably going to call him up in a day or two rather than keep 13(!) pitchers on the roster. They still like Morse’s bat and will probably DH him more than Spiezio too…

    “It appears that Seattle fans will have little choice but to be patient as Spiezio attempts to find the bat that once made him a World Series hero. With Chris Snelling’s knee injury, Raul Ibanez will take over in left field. Spiezio will be the DH.”

  14. francis on August 13th, 2005 12:21 am

    this whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach. more than anything, i just want snelling to be able to play the game. that kid must have so much heart to just keep moving forward through one rehab after another.

  15. aaron c. on August 13th, 2005 12:25 am

    Y’know, when I saw him come up limping, my first thought was, “oh shit, here we go again,” but I made myself think in a more positive manner about things. Turns out I was right. Dammit, it’s just not fair.

  16. shwa on August 13th, 2005 12:25 am

    They should bring up Choo to play OF and leave Raul in the DH spot.

  17. J.A.H on August 13th, 2005 12:32 am

    Sweet Guinea Pig of Winnipeg, did this guy run over God’s dog in Heaven or something? He just can’t catch a break!

  18. mara on August 13th, 2005 12:37 am

    I honestly don’t remember ever being this upset over a player getting injured. It’s freakin’ depressing.

    So’s the thought of Spiezio as permanent DH.

    Two thoughts running through my head:
    1. Mariners, please don’t give up on the kid.
    2. Doyle, please don’t give up on baseball.

    I’m considering writing my first-ever piece of fanmail: something along the lines of “you have tons of fans pulling for you even when you’re hurt.”

  19. Jon Wells on August 13th, 2005 12:43 am

    Heres’s what Finnigan had on the possibility of a roster move – no mention of Choo. Of course that doesn’t mean he won’t be the one called up!

    “For right now we’ll go with 13 pitchers, eight in the bullpen, Hargrove said. Beyond that, it is uncertain what Seattle officials will do, possibly promote outfielder Jamal Strong or outfielder Abraham Nunez.”

  20. saluboy on August 13th, 2005 12:46 am

    This whole “kickin’ the M’s while they’re down” thing just isn’t growing on me like I thought it might. They lights they get a-dimmer.

  21. Allen on August 13th, 2005 12:52 am

    I would guess Strong will get the call rather than Choo who will join the club upon roster expansion.

    For those knee-jerk (pardon the pun) folks who have given up on Doyle, he will be back and its way too early to give up on him.

  22. Saul on August 13th, 2005 12:59 am

    Couldn’t Bucky be called up soon do DH?

  23. Saul on August 13th, 2005 1:06 am

    I mean, I know small sample sizes, but in his five games with Inland Empire…

    .588/.667/.1235 with 5 runs, 2 doubles, 3 homeruns, 8 RBIs, 5 walks, 2 strikeouts

    Only 17 ABs in High-A ball of of course, but the point is he seems to have recovered.

    But still… he’s faced MLB pitching before, and its inconceivable to think he’d be worse the the Spiez.

  24. mrplow on August 13th, 2005 1:08 am

    *sigh* More gratuituous Bloomquist hate.

    Again, it’s more useful and efficent if you save it for when he’s actually sucking.

  25. eponymous coward on August 13th, 2005 1:09 am

    13 pitchers?

    My reaction to that can’t really be printed in a family blog. Over half the roster on pitching. Good god.

  26. Goose on August 13th, 2005 1:51 am

    What I find hilarious is that most of you people hate on Willie Bloomquist like he shot your dog and you treat Chris Snelling like he’s a god, and yet in just a month in a half Willie has been more useful to us then Chris has been throughout his entire career.

    I like the guy too, he’s a hell of a hitter and has the potental to be the next Edgar.BUT if he can’t stay healthy and keeps getting injured like this, he’s as useless as Scott “2 hit” Spiezo.

    Oh and Hargrove, if your gonna let Spiezo DH, just forfeit the DH and let the pitchers hit, because even pitcher get lucky and knock a base hit every once in a while and maybe even drive in a run or two.

  27. Goose on August 13th, 2005 2:04 am

    Oh and #3

    He’s qualified to voice his opinion because he happens to be a major league baseball player.He’s alot more qualified than you or anybody else on this board.And I bet that Willie could own each and every one of you, including myself, at baseball on any given day.

  28. Trenchtown on August 13th, 2005 2:13 am

    Urge to Kill rising…

  29. ray on August 13th, 2005 3:04 am

    Personally, I think Snelling should reconsider his career. If baseball keeps damaging his body, he’s going to be an old man before he’s thirty. I’d rather seem him have a healthy life for a long time, not a short one. And Spezio DHing: the FO really feels they’ve got to use their money — sigh!

  30. Dan Diamant on August 13th, 2005 4:53 am

    I’d like to see Snelling reconsider running full speed to first on every ground out. Couldn’t he Bonds it over there sometimes?

  31. jsa on August 13th, 2005 5:09 am

    Personally, I haven’t seen all that much from Doyle in the time he’s played in Seattle. I don’t follow the Minor leage performance because of my distance from the games, but he did not impress me much, and he sure seems fragile.

    You can keep Betancourt too. Why is he playing when Morse is riding pine and hitting 300? He has no plate dicipline, no idea of the strike zone, and his defense isn’t that much better than Morse. Yeah, he’s flashy at short. Boone was flashy at second. So what?
    The M the ussmariners love to hate seems to outplay both Betancourt and Snelling. But nothing changes anyone’s mind here.

  32. Goose on August 13th, 2005 5:19 am

    woa woa woa woa 31

    Betancourt’s defense not that much better than Morse’s!!!??? What drugs are you smoking??

  33. jsa on August 13th, 2005 5:34 am

    I’m not smokin nuttin, If I was I’d be happier. Sitting a 300 hitter to play Spiezio is Nuts. Betancourt has not made as many throwing errors as Morse, but he has made some bad throws.

    I keep hearing noises about trading Morse during the off season. Apparently someone who does not strike out much and has a batting average over 300 is not someone you need around. Better trade for someone with great “potential” even if they are a sure out at the plate.

    Lets get Bret back too.

  34. ray on August 13th, 2005 5:47 am

    I agree and disagree with you. Spezio should not be the DH. It should be Morse. YuBet hasn’t played enough for the average fan to see he defensive abilities but many who have seen him everyday for months say he is much better than Morse can hope to ever be. Also, Morse has such a high BA because of his previous hot streak. He is actually not a .300 batter now, but still way better than Spezio. Oh, and of course, as you know, any discussing on Doyle is moot.

  35. prw on August 13th, 2005 6:51 am

    I say move Ibanez to LF and make Bucky the DH!

    Have you seen his numbers for Inland? He’s batting .571/.667/1.10! In 21 ABs Bucky has produced 7 runs, 2 doubles, 3 HRs, and 9 RBIs.

    The season is over. Snelling is lost. Might as well bring up the big dude from Hermiston, Oregon and see if he can kill some balls.

  36. Kulich on August 13th, 2005 7:03 am


    I read on the Mariners website that Bucky didn’t fit into anything this year, and that he weighs 275 lb. when he’s listed at 255. They want him to lose that 20 lb. fast, or he might be stuck in Tacoma for this season.

    What about TJ Bohn Jr.? He’s killing the ball in AA, and is young. We’d be using up a 40-man roster spot for him, but if you put Snelling on the 60-day one gets freed up. He’s a position player, and I think trials through fire with position players work (unlike with pitchers), and if he doesn’t hit you send him back to AAA or AA to finish the season. He looks like he could be their future outfielder if Doyle can’t stay healthy.

    PS – I think I may be part of the blame for Doyle. The day he got hurt, I snapped a pic of his jersey for my cell phone background. This whole thing really makes me feel sick, and last night I even said “I hate baseball.” Hopefully it’s a speedy recovery.

  37. Scooter the Mighty on August 13th, 2005 7:17 am

    I hate to say it, but I think Snelling is just too fragile to expect regular time out of. I don’t think they should cut him or anything, but if I were the GM, I’d be shopping for left fielders.

  38. Revenant Edgar on August 13th, 2005 7:23 am

    Like trade a minor league pitcher for Randy Winn?

  39. J.R. on August 13th, 2005 7:33 am

    That just makes me sick to my stomach. This guy has the worest luck ever.

  40. Brian Rust on August 13th, 2005 7:53 am

    Spiezio as DH until September callups isn’t really such a bad idea. I don’t think he’s really “done” as a player, and with the M’s on the hook for $3.1 mil in ’06, it’s worth a shot. Give him two weeks of everyday playing. It’s not like he’s going to cost us a shot at the playoffs.

  41. Laurie on August 13th, 2005 8:06 am

    It’s all our fault for breaking the superstition and calling him by his non-Doyle name after he got called up. I mean, if you’re going to have a superstition you’ve got to stick to it.

  42. DMZ on August 13th, 2005 8:29 am

    I should just write a generic thread generator.

    blah blah blah Bloomquist
    You all hate Bloomquist but Bloomquist is doing great
    No one hates Bloomquist, we’ve gone over this a thousand times, he’s a useful role player…

    If someone makes some derogatory comment, that doesn’t mean that everyone hates Bloomquist.

    This whole thing is stupid. Every thread where his name even crops up has to degenerate into tedious accusations like “The M the ussmariners love to hate seems to outplay both Betancourt and Snelling. But nothing changes anyone’s mind here.”

    Totally totally pointless.

  43. DMZ on August 13th, 2005 8:32 am

    The gap in contribution between Bloomquist and Snelling is not so large as you would think. Looking at it with a stat that looks at contributions based on playing time, like VORP, where Bloomquist starts out with an immense advantage because he’s got ~200 trips to the plate, he’s still only 5 runs ahead of Snelling.

  44. Jonathan on August 13th, 2005 8:40 am

    Watching Doyle for the last month and a half of the season was supposed to be the highlight of the 2nd annual “Tacoma Parade” approach to M’s baseball. Just crushingly disappointing. And obviously, our pain can only be a fraction of what the poor fella must be going through. Between this and Cammy (most sickening collision ever), I think I’m just going back to re-reading highlights of the Tour de France.

  45. msb on August 13th, 2005 9:00 am
  46. JeffF on August 13th, 2005 9:07 am

    I know this violates the Cult of Doyle, but I don’t care how good his potential is based on stats if he’s so fragile he can’t get through a month of baseball without breaking. He has no value to the team if he can’t play; he’s just taking up room.

  47. DMZ on August 13th, 2005 9:25 am

    You don’t take up room on the DL. Thanks, though.

  48. Graham on August 13th, 2005 9:40 am

    Ouch. Poor Doyle… I was so thrilled to see him back up with the big club. Great discipline at the plate, and most of his at-bats were a joy to watch. -sigh-

    What’s the probably roster move? Bucky to the bigs again, to serve as DH while Ibanez is moved to the outfield? That could actually be a big help with the team’s power.

    As for #27, Bloomquist is a major league baseball player, and is also a heck of a lot more talented at the game than me (who learned how to play this summer).

    That said, what tools has he got to assess potential? In my opinion, the analysis and assessment of baseball players has very little to do with your own skill level. Bloomquist is not a major league scout. He’s not even a particularly sucessful player. On the other hand, you have people on this blog like Dave who do a lot of scouting, and -think- about baseball, something that if Willie does, he’s clearly not very good at.

    This is not me hating on Bloomquist, not by any means. I want the M’s to win (failing that, Oakland will suffice), and I wish only success for every player in the organization, Mr. Bloomquist included.