Game 125, Mariners at Rangers

JMB · August 24, 2005 at 5:03 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

RHP Ryan Franklin vs. RHP Juan Dominguez, 5:05pm, FSN and KOMO.

RF Ichiro!
2B The Ignitor
LF Ibanez
1B Sexson
3B Beltre
CF Reed
SS Morse
“DH” Dobbs (dammit, this must continue)
C JoeJessica

Have at it, kids.


182 Responses to “Game 125, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. Long Suffering on August 24th, 2005 7:31 pm

    145 and Eddie to save. That’s a solid pen on paper.

  2. anotherjeff on August 24th, 2005 7:32 pm

    I don’t know that anyone is going to agree, but I think Nelson should get DFA’d and give the roster spot to Heaverlo. Just thinking out loud. He struggled early but has put it together. Might as well see what he can do. It’s not like the season is on the line.

  3. ray on August 24th, 2005 7:32 pm

    I think Nageotte crapped in his pants. They kept saying he had an upset stomach. A relief pitcher needing some relief. He should be the spokesman for Rolaids.

  4. Paul Molitor Cocktail on August 24th, 2005 7:33 pm

    I hear that they’ll be installing a new drainage system at the Safeco mount just for Nageotte.

  5. ray on August 24th, 2005 7:35 pm

    Eddie needs to be packaged with some prospects for a good rotation pitcher. That is more needed than a closer. The FA market on starters will be bare.

  6. ray on August 24th, 2005 7:36 pm

    Here comes the 9th. Let’s see if the M’s give a damn about hitting…

  7. Paul Molitor Cocktail on August 24th, 2005 7:37 pm

    I hope Steve Kelley writes another column about how Franklin sucks.

  8. Long Suffering on August 24th, 2005 7:37 pm

    154: If they find someone gullible enough to make that trade, sure, but I don’t think there’s a realistic chance.

  9. David J Corcoran on August 24th, 2005 7:38 pm

    151: Heaverlo? That’s interesting to say the least. 2 HR in 76 IP is fantastic, and he’s done better lately. I almost like that idea.

  10. wabbles on August 24th, 2005 7:40 pm

    I know! Borrowing from Peanuts here, when it’s time for Franklin’s next start let’s tell him the game’s at a different place. Then when he doesn’t show up, we use a different and hopefully maybe have a better chance of winning. Then we can cut him for missing a start.

  11. ray on August 24th, 2005 7:40 pm

    What? A total of 5 pitches seen by 3 hitters. Yes the M’s don’t give a damn and just want to go back to their hotel. The M’s are to the Rangers as the Royals are to the M’s. I smell a sweep tomorrow even if Harris manages to pitch well.

  12. msb on August 24th, 2005 7:42 pm

    just because they hit like crap doesn’t mean ‘they don’t give a damn’

  13. Chief on August 24th, 2005 7:43 pm

    The pressing need in the off season is two SPs. We can’t fill that from the minors. It will have to be FA or trade. Secondly we need a left handed big bopper in the OF, or DH if you want Ibanez in the OF full time. Bavasi will have an opportunity to excel. Or not.

  14. anotherjeff on August 24th, 2005 7:45 pm


    I’m biased. I grew up with the guy. But that aside, looking at his numbers, I think its time throw him out there. Could he be any worse than Nelson? I don’t know how that’s something you can measure. But if Heaverlo turns out any worse, atleast then the organization will know that it is time to give up on him.

  15. Paul Molitor Cocktail on August 24th, 2005 7:46 pm

    Krueger just said Franklin was affected by the steroid suspension “even if it’s not really true.”

    Come again?

  16. Chief on August 24th, 2005 7:48 pm

    I like Kruger but he has been an apologist for the pitching staff all season.

  17. Jim in Edmonds on August 24th, 2005 7:51 pm

    Listening to Krueger’s furious spinning regarding Franklin’s failures, it is enough to give you vertigo. The numbers don’t lie, Franklin is not a good major league starting pitcher, and has not been one for some time. Saying otherwise just stain’s Bill’s credibility, even before you consider the ridiculous “not really true” assertion about Franklin’s bout with vitamin S.

  18. mark from Oly. on August 24th, 2005 7:53 pm

    Ok. I try to be a positive guy when it comes to sports. In baseball I think anyone can make a comeback (at least until it is OVER-OVER).

    But I am tired of RF. He has been a hard luck case for far too long with this team.

    Honestly, I would reather root for the worst Tacoma pitcher for the rest of the season then watch RF get any more starts.

    If RF makes a come back let it be with any other team.

  19. msb on August 24th, 2005 7:53 pm

    FWIW, several of the guys noted in the past for their ‘plain speaking’ –Krueger & Nelson– have said they don’t think Franklin was using.

  20. argh on August 24th, 2005 8:03 pm

    Who gives a damn if he is/was using? Point is, he’s not throwing.

  21. ray on August 24th, 2005 8:05 pm

    I disagree about “giving a damn” — well in this case about hitting. When three hitters become impatient and just swing early in the count… well, and it was the ninth. I think they just wanted to go back to their air conditioned hotel. I can’t imagine the stadium smell any good either with all those dogs. That heat, those people and players seating, and those dogs makes for one really stinker of a time, and through on top of that the performance of the team tonight and you’ve got concoction for inducing vomiting.
    ANyway, I think if we took most of the aged AAA guys who don’t have a space on the team for many years and put Eddie in there, a team should bite. I’d say a package of Strong, Leone, Lorraine, Kida, Beak, Green, Gonzalez, Santiago, with Eddie. And in return get a solid #3 guy because you can’t get much else for them. I think this is a win win situation. Some team will get a lot of good looking players plus a great closer. The M’s get a #3 guy (now it’s Felix and nothing else) and the M’s can give guys a chance that will never get a chance otherwise. Also dead weight is cast away.

  22. anotherjeff on August 24th, 2005 8:05 pm



  23. ray on August 24th, 2005 8:08 pm

    Sorry, “those people and players sweating” — of course they were sitting but also sweating. Sorry about all the other typos too. I just can’t type straight being so frustrated with the M’s.

  24. bookbook on August 24th, 2005 8:20 pm


    Excellent plan. Maybe we can trade Hargrove for Peavy while we’re at it…

    [Rude sarcarsm aside, what team is going to need 8 25th men? Even Piniella never kept more than 3 or 4 on his roster at a time – one usually starting in LF.]

  25. ray on August 24th, 2005 8:37 pm

    173, Well, If Andy Hargrove (son of Manager Grover) pans out for the M’s maybe a trade will be possible. Of course we’ll probably have to wait 5 years for that in which case Peavy will have come down to the value of Grover’s son.

  26. Long Suffering on August 24th, 2005 8:48 pm

    I ditto 173.

    If we of all teams are not using these players, what makes you think any team wants them?

    Packaging a bunch of minor leaguers you don’t want in exchange for a quality major league talent is a video game GMing.

    Speaking of which, boy I’d like to see the team I built in MVP 2005 play. Ichiro,Beltre,Griffey,Sexson,Dunn,Lopez(Javy),Snelling,Lopez(Jose),Betancourt

  27. ray on August 24th, 2005 10:28 pm

    I wasn’t serious but look at baseball and the M’s specifically. GMs make “fantasy league” type decisions all time.

  28. Matt Staples on August 24th, 2005 10:31 pm

    171, it’s pretty clear that the reason we can’t move those guys is because 9 guys isn’t enough. You need at least 12 or 13 players in that deal, including M. Garciaparra, before you could get a solid #3 in return. I think we should trade for Ryan Howard instead anyway.

  29. AK1984 on August 24th, 2005 10:33 pm

    Re. #171:

    The only guy in Tacoma with any legitimate trade value is starting pitcher Bobby Livingston, 22, who is a Jamie Moyer clone. Nevertheless, why would the Mariners consider trading a guy like Livingston?

    Anyways, regardless of reality, if I could pull the trigger on a move — were it to be agreed upon by both ballclubs — the one deal that I would make is a trade wherein the Seattle Mariners would send starting pitcher Joel Pineiro (’06: $6,300,000) to the Cincinnati Reds for center fielder Ken Griffey, Jr.; the Mariners, though, would have to pick up the remainder of Junior’s base salary (’06: $6,000,000; ’07: $6,000,000; ’08: $ 6,000,000), while the Reds covered the contract buyout (’09: $4,000,000) and the deferred payments (’09-’24: $57,500,000). In addition, to make room for Junior (.294/.362/.552/29 HR/85 RBI), the team would slide Jeremy Reed over to left field, Raul Ibanez to designated hitter, and designated hitter Greg Dobbs to the bench.

    Well, yeah, it may be only a dream . . . but it’s a helluva one.

  30. DMZ on August 24th, 2005 10:39 pm

    As long as we’re in fantasy land… if you’re going to play Reed and Griffey in the OF at once, why not play Reed in center, where by any metric he’s been outstanding, and where Griffey is not nearly the player he was?

    If the Reds are going to eat his deffered salary, Griffey’ll accept the move.

  31. Kelly on August 24th, 2005 10:40 pm

    The WaPo claims that a minor leaguer in New Orleans is the first since 41 to hit .400.

    Didn’t Reed hit .400 in AA?

  32. AK1984 on August 24th, 2005 10:57 pm

    Yeah, Derek, you’re right, for I completely forgot about how Jeremy Reed is one of the top defensive center fielders in the majors this season.

    Anyhow, concerning the actual Griffey trade front — which is presently focused on the Chicago White Sox — do you have an idea as to how much Carl Linder, the Reds’ owner, is willing to eat in regards to salary?