Game 146, Mariners at Rangers

Dave · September 15, 2005 at 4:38 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Jeff Harris vs Kameren Loe. Loe, by the way, is an extreme groundball pitcher.

The M’s run the same line-up out there that they did yesterday, except Torrealba replaces Ojeda behind the plate.


140 Responses to “Game 146, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. Saul on September 15th, 2005 8:21 pm

    Randy Winn just hit his 42nd double of the season.

  2. firova on September 15th, 2005 8:25 pm

    It doesn’t end with Grover, by any means. Why Ichiro keeps doing the bunt thing with the runner on second, as he did again tonight, baffles. But even more strange is that Hargrove lets him keep doing it. Hargrove gets credit for not ripping his players in front of the media, but stuff like that is really strange. There aren’t many people on major league rosters that strike less fear in opponents than Torrealba, but Ramon Santiago to pinch-hit?

  3. ray on September 15th, 2005 8:28 pm

    101, let’s forget about players gone. We all know they do better when they leave the Mariners — heck, even Miguel “whiff” Olivo is a monster at the plate now. The Mariners are cursed. They can’t hit in their ball park, or any other. When they say a hitters ball park, read they fine print: does not apply to the Seattle Mariners.

  4. msb on September 15th, 2005 8:29 pm

    that’s good to hear– he’s had another nice season. In a blast from the past, Charles Gipson got called up to the Astros yesterday:

    Charles Gipson came off the bench when Chris Burke, filling in
    for injured center fielder Willy Taveras, dislocated his shoulder
    trying to make a diving catch in the first inning.

    Gipson, who entered the game in the third inning, doubled in his first
    at-bat and also had an RBI single in the seventh.

    Gipson said he was glad to get the opportunity to help out. “In my situation, you just have to be ready,” said Gipson, who spent a
    season at Class AAA Round Rock before being called up. “It’s just like
    all of the other cats, they are on the bench and ready to go. You just have to prepare yourself every day. You never know when an
    injury might happen, so you have to stay ready.”

    Garner said he initially brought in Gipson thinking he would pinch-hit
    for him, but that idea quickly changed when Gipson doubled in his
    first at-bat. “After that first at-bat, and then the second at-bat was a good at-bat,” Garner said. “He looked very good, very solid at the plate tonight. We are pleased to see his approach at the plate.”

  5. msb on September 15th, 2005 8:38 pm

    ray said:”let’s forget about players gone. We all know they do better when they leave the Mariners — heck, even Miguel “whiff” Olivo is a monster at the plate now.”

    they do? he is? Winn is having the same year he was having here before he was traded. Olivo after his surge hitting NL fastballs has brought his season numbers up to a lofty .221 AVG, .242 OBP, .363 SLG, .605 OPS– and this month is hitting .278 with a .316 OBP, .333 SLG and .649 OPS. better than here, but not a ‘monster’. Who else has done appreciably better since they left?

  6. Gunga on September 15th, 2005 8:44 pm

    Anybody meeting up at the Rainiers game tomorrow, or are we just passing like ships in the night?

  7. CMT on September 15th, 2005 8:46 pm


    Winn has hit more homeruns than he did w/ the M’s in half the number of at bats.

    Olivo was creating a new Mendoza line for baseball when he was here, and is hitting twice, or maybe three times as better at San Diego,

    Cirillo is having a descent season compared to when he was a Mariner, hitting .288, .368, .434.

    Aurilia is hitting .272, .328, .437.

    Guillen is a potential all star… On and on and on and on…

  8. Saul on September 15th, 2005 8:47 pm

    “Winn is having the same year he had before he was traded.”


    Here we go…

    Randy Winn, Mariners 2005 in 102 games:

    .275/.342/.391 with 25 doubles, 1 triple, 6 home runs, 12 stolen bases

    Randy Winn, Giants 2005 in 42 games (including while he’s 2/2 with a double tonight):

    .325/.361/.613 with 17 doubles, 3 triples, 8 home runs, 6 stolen bases

    Though his walk rate is down and his strikeout rate is up, there is no way Winn is having the same season with the Giants as he was with the Mariners.

  9. Saul on September 15th, 2005 8:49 pm

    On a side note, is it possible every other hitting coach in baseball knows some secret ours never seem to be able to figure out?

  10. ray on September 15th, 2005 8:51 pm

    Thank you Saul and CMT. I rest my case. Now will someone call a Shamen, Shinto priest, or Vodoo princess please?

  11. ray on September 15th, 2005 8:53 pm

    Saul, maybe it’s a case of FO managing the team. Maybe they think, if he can do it then I can do it.After watching that movie about a boy who manages the Twins and makes them better, they got inspired.

  12. Saul on September 15th, 2005 8:59 pm

    In that case, I demand that the Mariners buy as many copies of Little Big League as possible for the team.

    And then hire my little brother to manage the team.

  13. ray on September 15th, 2005 9:05 pm

    Thanks Saul, I forgot the name of that movie. Hey, I’d like to see your brother manage the M’s since the team IS getting younger.

  14. eponymous coward on September 15th, 2005 9:13 pm

    Bret Boone since leaving Safeco: playing golf
    Mike Cameron since leaving Safeco: same old Cameron
    David Bell since leaving Safeco: pretty close to his career averages

    This is a stupid game to play. Yes, Safeco’s a pitcher’s park and you should expect people to hit better outside of it, but I think Richie Sexson, John Olerud, Edgar Martinez and Bret Boone prove your career doesn’t have to die if you have to play half your games here.

    If you know of a hitting coach who can make it so the ball doesn’t die in left-center, let Bill Bavasi know.

  15. Saul on September 15th, 2005 9:15 pm

    Gandalf the Grey.

  16. ray on September 15th, 2005 9:21 pm

    Thanks Saul. I rest my case again. Gandalf had become a better wizard since leaving Seattle. ANyway, this is not about parks (M’s do poorly at Ameriquest), it’s about playing for the M’s. For whatever coocky reason, players improve once they leave the team. Is it the city or managment? Too laid-back? Is it a curse? I don’t know — it’s just coocky!

  17. Saul on September 15th, 2005 9:24 pm

    Something in the coffee.

  18. Saul on September 15th, 2005 9:24 pm

    (Actually I was suggesting Gandalf could perhaps be an effective hitting coach).

  19. Felixfastfreight on September 15th, 2005 9:33 pm

    In all fairness, Randy Winn has generally been a “second-half” player. Go check is pre-break/post-break splits from 03-05..the most disparate thing is his power. He looks like a 10 hitter the first half, then a 20 homer guy the second half. His perforfance in SF just illustrates his general upswing.

    That said, Hargrove has been awful all year, but tonight just killed me. Ramon Santiago, i mean the Ramon Santiago of the CAREER .598 OPS!! to pinch hit for anyone? i’ve just about had it with this stupidity. decisions like pinch hitting spezio for olivo, who were equally horrible, were almost justifiable, but his repeated use of Matt Thornton in critical game situations while guys like George Sherril are used only sparingly, pinch hitting guys like Dobbs and Hansen who, when you look at the stats, arn’t any more likely to get hits in the situation they’re in, than the guys they “hit” for? instead, he uses them to rob expirience from guys like Lopez, or Reed, even considering Reed’s shotcomings this year…if there were any chance that watching my other favorite team would clear the bad taste from my mouth, i’d be tempted to ditch the M’s entirely. unfortunately there’s not much chance of that though, considering the other team i root for is the Mets…woe is me

    but at least we have the King tommorow

  20. msb on September 15th, 2005 9:36 pm

    I think everyone was surprised by Guillen’s blossoming– but from the way he hit here in streaks, he may well have done the same thing with the Ms had he stayed. He’s only played 81 games this year– hopefully, he gets healthy again & back in there for Detroit.

    Aurilia & Cirillo returned to the NL, and Olivo & Winn have been there a month & a half — think it might be that helping their numbers, esp.the power numbers? There was a great quote in the Sporting news earlier this year: “hitters lacking home run power are more likely to be challenged with fastballs in the N.L. In the A.L., lineups typically have more home run hitters, and pitchers must be careful with everyone. In the N.L., pitchers can save their tricks for the middle of the lineup. As Cardinals center fielder Jim Edmonds says, “I sure don’t see too many fastballs on a full count.” FWIW, Cirillo’s numbers were put up in 68 games– he’s been out hurt.

    Who else is there… Ole? He’s been doing very nicely in his limited games for Boston– and he is hitting much better at home than away, so Fenway seems to be good for him. We know Boone didn’t hit in Minn.– it’ll be interesting to see what happens with him next season… It took Cammy a year to get the new league under his belt, but he was doing better this year when not hurt. um, Ben Davis? Quentin McCracken? Colbrunn? Relaford? David Bell has been fighting back injuries for three years… How about the weird fact that in John Mabry’s career he has generally hit better when playing for the Cards than anywhere else? 🙂

    OT : Dan Wilson caught Bobby Madritsch on the flat today in the outfield, and when they weren’t sure about Ojeda, Beltre volunteered that he could catch in an emergency…

  21. ray on September 15th, 2005 9:36 pm

    Gandalf the hitting coach. Hey that would be great, but only if we get this batting order

    1 Ichiro
    2 Frodo
    3 Legolas
    4 Aragorn
    5 Sexson
    6 Tree Beard
    7 Bentancourt
    8 Gimli
    9 Eowyn

  22. msb on September 15th, 2005 9:38 pm

    does Tree Beard run any faster that Olerud?

  23. Saul on September 15th, 2005 9:40 pm


  24. ray on September 15th, 2005 9:42 pm

    Oh, and Sam as the bench coach, King Theoden as the Manager, Merry, as the third base coach, Pippin as the first base coach, Elrond as the Manager, and of course Gollum as the Home Plate Umpire and Suruman as the commssioner.

  25. goodbye baseball on September 15th, 2005 9:42 pm

    119. We were 1/2 game out of the wild card on Aug. 31 with a 2-0 lead against the Phillies at Shea with Pedro on the mound. What the hell happened?

    I have to say that since the Mets aren’t going to make it to the playoffs, I would like to see Florida make it. I love their starting pitching and would also like to see what Carlos Delgado would do in the postseason.

    The Mariners? Well it’s wait ’til two years from now.

  26. ray on September 15th, 2005 9:44 pm

    No, but anything Tree Beard hit will automatically be a homerun. Did you see how far he trew those bolders? ANyway, one step and he’s at first base. Of, course he will make Grover (when he was a player) look like Flash at the plate.

  27. Felixfastfreight on September 15th, 2005 9:48 pm

    The Yankees would go after the Uruk Hai, since they don’t have any qualms about signing players with poor reputations but agree to obey “the Boss.” Ugluk would eventually get released however (ala Ruben Rivera), upon the revelation that he had canniballized Derek Jeter and sold an entire shipment of Alex Rodriguez’ bats on E-bay.

  28. LB on September 15th, 2005 9:50 pm

    #120: It’s not the dimensions of Fenway that have helped Olerud’s numbers. You can get at his Fenway spray chart here: (Save yourslf some time and don’t click on “triples.”)

    His homeruns (and I think I’ve seen them all on TV) have been pulled over the bullpens in right field, where Fenway is not a bandbox.

  29. Saul on September 15th, 2005 9:57 pm

    If you had the One Ring you could steal bases like no other.

  30. Shoeless Jose on September 15th, 2005 11:50 pm

    LOTR baseball, heh. Elves would make great shortstops.

    Treebeard would be the ultimate slugging catcher. “The runner tried to run through him but Treebeard was planted at the plate. Out!” And no passed balls, either.

    “It appears there’s a hobbit coming to bat. No, wait, that’s just Eckstein”

  31. Anne on September 16th, 2005 12:59 am

    I’m glad to see there’s going to be a contingent (ok, at least two other people) at the Rainiers game tomorrow. After convincing myself that it would be way too much gas money and effort to drive up from Vancouver my friends ended up with an extra ticket and I caved. Hopefully it’s the start of another 3-game win streak!

  32. Evan on September 16th, 2005 9:07 am

    121 – Frodo’s a banjo hitter. Give me Radagast.

  33. Colm on September 16th, 2005 10:55 am

    Oh good Christ! At this rate I’m going to have to start slandering Tolkien fans again. And that’ll piss of Mr Zumsteg.

    How the hell did the M’s lose yesterday’s game? That Loe guy was a liability with the ball in his hand whether he was pitching or fielding. We should have slaughtered them.


  34. Colm on September 16th, 2005 11:03 am

    9 hits, 5 walks, and 4 errors by those Muppets from Arlington, and the Mariners score 3 lousy runs. That’s nearly impossible.

  35. Replacement Level Poster on September 16th, 2005 12:08 pm

    Dave you forgot the reverse jinx. No wonder they lost. Please make disparaging remarks about the Mariners, or Hargrove or something before today’s thread.

  36. paul on September 16th, 2005 12:21 pm

    What is your true talent level, Replacement Level Poster?

    Obviously, you are good enough to post on any Devil Ray blog and AAA blogs, but could you post elsewhere? Do you hope to become Average Poster? Then Inner Circle Poster?

  37. Replacement Level Poster on September 16th, 2005 12:44 pm

    I’m the Willy Bloomquist of posters. I used to be one of the many Josh’s that posted on here, thought I’d get original.

  38. PositivePaul on September 16th, 2005 12:51 pm

    Anybody meeting up at the Rainiers game tomorrow, or are we just passing like ships in the night?

    Corco & I will be there. If we can get there by the 5th inning, that is…

  39. Adam on September 16th, 2005 1:07 pm

    I’ll be that Saturday, that is, if they win tonight.

  40. Gunga on September 16th, 2005 1:37 pm

    Paul and Corco,

    I know at least one other poster who will be there. I’ll be in Section 13 (first base side just to the right of the screen), row 1, 6’1 and 230 lbs. Probably wearing my gray Tacoma jersey. Oh, and I’m a white male, if that helps. 🙂