Game 153, Mariners at Blue Jays
Joel Pineiro vs Gustavo Chacin.
Chacin is a rookie of the year candidate thanks to a 3.51 ERA, but in a few years, when looking back on the incoming crop of young players, I don’t expect people to be mentioning Chacin in the same sentence with guys like Felix, Huston Street, or Scott Kazmir. His Fielding Independant ERA is 4.32, which isn’t bad, but isn’t spectacular, either. He’s a flyball pitcher who has marginal control and doesn’t miss many bats. Not exactly the skillset of a superstar in the making.
But, hey, he’s having a nice year. Let’s see if it continues tonight.
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A month ago Chacin was easily my RoY favourite. At this point I think he ranks behind Johnny Gomes (among others).
And Chacin doesn’t have eyebrows. Pitching through that kind of disability has to count for something.
Regardless of who deserves it most, Huston Street’s taking that award with friggin’ ease.
Ahhh, Scott Kazmir. Isn’t he the one of the players that Billy Beane made fun of during the infamous “Moneyball” draft? We shall see if his health holds up.
Not too much of a draw for tonights game. Hopefully Pineiro will continue to pitch well. Still a fan, don’t want to see him get moved, but I understand why people don’t like him.
You gotta love those Chacin v Chacon matchups when NY plays Toronto. It’s already happened twice this year.
Until Chacon played Toronto, I had ho idea how to pronounce his name.
I figured it was like Chaisson.
Betancourt batting 2nd? hmmm
Grover seems like like Betty batting second against lefties.
At a 3 ball count on Ibanez, Yu-bet should not have been caught off base.
Yahoo! sports made it sound more exciting
“Y. Betancourt caught stealing, pitcher to first to shortstop to first to shortstop to pitcher “
The classic 1-3-6-3-6-1 pickoff.
Oh man, I am rolling here in my office…luckily no one is around
I had visions of an amazingly grand trick play that ended with the pitcher tagging out YuBet.
on the bright side, we made him throw 30 pitches and continue to draw about a walk per K on the offensive side.
7&8: Well, you can at least make a case for it. YB’s splits:
vs. Left: 297/333/541
vs. Right: 246/266/326
(Note: Small Sample Size. That line against lefties comprises 39 plate appearances.)
Is anyone else nervous that Ichiro isn’t going to get to 200 hits?
30 pitches plus a couple of throws on the Yu-bet rundown. hehe
Hey everybody, it’s Bad Joel!
For a guy who doesn’t walk much, I sure like Vernon Wells as a hitter. Wish he was a Mariner.
17 Not necessarily. Adams’ hit was a golf shot and the pitch to Catalonotto wasn’t that bad either.
I believe Ichiro will get 200 with several to spare.
8 pitches
1 strike
1 foul
3 balls
3 singles
We’ll see.
11 pitches
2 strikes
2 fouls
3 balls
3 singles
1 double
“For a guy who doesn’t walk much, I sure like Vernon Wells as a hitter. Wish he was a Mariner.”
He’ll probably win another gold glove, too.
The M’s throw out someone at home instead of being thrown out! I’m impressed.
Do you think Ichiro will cry (and/or quit baseball — the whole shame thing) if he doesn’t get his 200 hits?
Rios is an interesting hitter. He has a compact inside out swing that has very little power. But, if he sees a pitch coming he brings out the slow-developing looping swing with lots of power.
Someone had a theory a couple of weeks ago that pitching the day after Felix was inspiring Joel to pitch better. I’m not sure that theory is holding up today.
It’s unfortunate but it seems this guy will be #1 starter next year (due to seniority). Maybe the M’s should sign Brown.
This…This is not pretty
Okay, if that pitch to Gross was where Gameday says it was, and it was a ground ball to Ichiro, how did Lopez not get to it?
Looks like Joel picked up where Eddie left off, lucky for us.
Ok Ralph…I stand corrected. *sigh* I’m going to go watch something cheerful…Hurricane Rita.
And the Blue Jays bat around in the first.
this is reeaaaaaaaaaaallly pathetic
Is it good when you give up 7 hits/5 runs (and counting) to the first 9 batters you face in your first inning? I didn’t think so……….
GET THOSE HANDS UP JOEL!!!!!!!!!
It’s actually impressive that Pineiro only threw 34 pitches. He faced TEN GUYS.
Did Pineiro forget to keep his arms up?
Man, I can really do without these fan appreciation commercials.
26, I think we are seeing the reverse effect: Joel feeling he will never be as good as Felix, and is just mediocre.
Joel: You told me I was ACE material
BP: Well, it’s just that I’d had never really seen a good pitcher up close until Felix. (thinking in his head: so that’s what pitching really is..)
Joel: Hello, BP, are you okay?
BP: Sorry, flashback
Joel: Anyway, as I was saying…
BP: Sorry Joel no time to talk; I’ve got to go ask Felix how he throws that Royal curve. Have you seen it! It’s awesome!
Joel: (pouting) ya, I wanted to be the ACE.
I believe Dave got it right when he said, Joel Pineiro is not “back . He has basically turned himself into Ryan Franklin, a contact strike-throwing machine who can piece together some good starts when the ball stays in the yard.
http://ussmariner.com/?p=2987
I love strikeouts. Every fifth day, I may get to see some. Sigh.
I have to wonder, where is talkbaseball to defend Joel when he’s sh1tting the bed like this? And what’s happened to Joel’s WHIP?
Well, Joel did K a guy without issuing a walk.
Along with his pitch efficiency, I think that means he’s just really easy to hit today.
Woohoo! Game over early! Now I can go do something productive today.
And a nice 10-pitch inning from the rookie just to make Pineiro feel more inadequate.
Gaaaaah, I decided to go check the score on a whim. Gamecast shows 5-0. This is gross — no pun intended. Ugh.
Hey they are making the Jay’s pitcher work: 10 pitches in the second!
Deanna, Fairly has informed us that Gross was a former QB for Auburn.
#40: He hadn’t K’d the guy while I was typing. You’re right, I should look at the bright side and consider Joel’s K/9IP rate so far tonight.
Hey, look on the bright side. We may get to see Meche again or at least Harris.
#45: Gabe Gross hits more like a QB than a LF-er. Career OPS = .642 (but trending upward, at least).
If he had the arm for a QB, why does he play LF? Gross, that is.
Is 6,000,000 to much for the M’s to eat??? My gawd that is flat out an unacceptable outing. Kids in HS get pulled faster then that.
Because Rios has a cannon.
Rusty, Grady Sizemore was in line to be a college QB at UW, and in baseball his arm is his weakest tool. QB does not necessarily = strong arm.
What, no comments in 20 minutes? Nobody else thinks the M’s can score 5 runs here?
Oh right, games are 9 innings long, not 45.
50, I think the female fan base might get a little upset at letting one of their more handsome players go, lol. Speaking of females, I’ve heard Joel’s wife is pretty good looking. Any truth to the rumors?
I don’t know. Does he have a giant tattoo of his wife anywhere?
Whoops.. guess the page didn’t actually reload after all. I blame whoever severed all those phone lines to the entire Moscow-Pullman area.
So, it looks like Ichiro has started his I’m-so-wound-up-tight-because-I’m-getting-close-to-200-hits funk. It’s unfortunate for him because that may be his downfall to getting 200 — so few game left.
sheesh. I literally walked from the U to Aurora during the 1st inning. I got about three more streets in the M’s half of the 2nd.
I blame Rizzy, he was waaay to proud of the Ms for making Chacin work in the top of the 1st, a whole 29 pitches with nothing to show for it.
YuBet is so far the offensive hero of the game: 1 hit, 1 walk. Now that is funny.
55 – haha. nice.
54 – I personally don’t think Pineiro is that good-looking. Then again, I don’t think anyone on the Mariners is particularly great-looking. In some cases, like Meche, they used to be cute, then they had their spirits broken and became haggard shadows of their former selves.
How is “Chacin” pronounced anyway?
Also, still waiting word about Joel’s wife…anyone?
#61: shaw-SEEN.
Okay, so we’ve heard from one female on Piniero… any others?
Wait, wasn’t Tattoo under four feet tall?
62, thank you. At first, I thought it was Shasheen which in Japanese sounds like “strike-out” which would be a good name for a pitcher.
Wow! what got into Piniero. 3IP, 4 Ks
I’m not a female, but Pineiro looks like the guy that changes your oil when you take your car in. Of course, the guy who installed my cable yesterday looks like Miguel Olivo, but what’s it to anyone?
Good to see he settled down… five runs and seven hits too late.
Wow, the PC difference btw Piniero and Chacin is only 6 at the beginning of 4. Almost the difference in the score. Must be some cosmic significance.
63 – pineiro doesn’t do it for me; jeremy reed’s more my style.
66, if you have seen “The One” it makes a difference.
So 68, then is it “Chicks dig the guy who catches the long ball”?
Since the game is out of reach, I’d like to see Grover do some crazy things like have Sexson steal 2nd.
or, “Chicks dig guys with big ears?”
Oh, ground-rule double. Bad omen for the M’s.
70 – i won’t deny it. reed for his catches, shiggy for his delivery.
65 – if you care, the word for photograph is shasshin (which, incidentally, is how I also pronounced Chacin). Strikeout is san shin.
how about “Chicks dig guys that don’t suck at baseball”? Looks aren’t everything…
Be still my heart
75, I know, but strike out has more relevance to baseball.
On your second comment: then why are you a M’s fan. JK
I love it: CBS gamecast has two “in-play” hits for Lopez. I guess two singles equal one double. Go Lopez!
Maybe they’ll make a game of it yet . . ..
That was a nice piece of high-ball hitting by Lopez there (even though I’d rather see him lay off that pitch).
71. Crazy things Grover can do with the game out of reach:
- Not pinch hit Hansen for Torrealba
- Have Sexson and Beltre bunt runners ahead
- Turn to Moyer and say, “Jamie, warm up!”
- Crank call Jim Slaton in the pen.
- Tell BP to tell Joel to plunk the next batter, and then charge the plate.
- Order a pizza
- Buy every last bottle of Labatt’s in Rogers Centre and hold a single elimination drinking contest between everyone on the bench.
- Get on the roof of the dugout and BOOGIE.
- Pull his guys off the field, send them to the clubhouse, then walk out to the umpire, say, “9-0, bitch. Forfeit: it’s all theirs. Thanks for the BS calls.” Then bitchslap him, and follow his boys into the clubhouse.
77 – I’m a Mariners fan by residence. You know, like when I got my Pennsylvania drivers’ license changed to Washington, I also had to get my baseball tickets changed, etc… I’d only been to like three AL games ever before I moved to Seattle.
5-3 is not the same as the hopeless pit of despair we were in a little while ago, at least.
I like Ichiro but boy he really is sucking today. Any visuals on his swings?
Chacin is one homely sunovagun.
If you really want to see what Shirley Piniero looks like, just donate some money to Mariners Care & get a cookbook or two at your local Mariners Team Store.
Rizz killed the rally. JoeJessica steps to the plate, and Rick starts talking home runs. please. I’ve got to switch to Dave.
Deanna, did you previously follow the Phillie or Pirates or neither?
Yes, 0 for 3 is really sucking.
*shakes head*
The steady overreaction of baseball fans blows my mind.
Joel has certainly settled down nicely after that implosion in the 1st
it really IS a return to the Old Joel Piniero– you remember, the one who would have ‘that one bad inning’?
80, too funny (CLOL), but I have to disagree with you about pizza. I think he does that all the time anyway. The Dancing Homer bit I’d pay to see!
Yu-bet walks!
sorry, 86, I was including (not out loud) yesterday’s game which would make him 0-8. And I know it doesn’t seem like much but it is relative. An 0-8 for a guy like Mendoza is super but for Ichiro it’s terrible.
You guys put so much emphasis on SO and Joel has 6 ks and 5 ER in 3 2/3. Now Dave, tell me is this promising by your standards. I’d rather have 0 runs and 6 ks. But at least we have 1 of the 2. If he does not give up anymore runs I think we have a shot. By the way how hard is he throwing the heater.
good call to hold him…he would have gotten hosed
hopefully Ibanez didn’t mess up his hammy on that stop
Raul looked pissed about the “go-go-go-go-stop” sign at third. Good thing he was held up, though, ’cause he was really chugging.
Yu-Bet is being a textbook #2 hitter. This game is turning out to be a bit strange.
Yeah!
I didn’t think a baserunner could be slower than John Olerud but I think Sexson might be slower.
THATS what im talking about…what defecit?
89. HA, my bad. I totally forgot about his 5th inning pizza routine.
However, he may be onto something with Betancourt in the 2 spot. A hit and TWO WALKS in 3 PA’s. And he has yet to really slump from that spot. Sample size, I know, but STILL.
Hate to quibble, but a textbook #2 hitter wouldn’t have gotten picked off in the 1st.
Tie game. I can’t believe.
Mitch, DIPS theory generally holds for larger sample sizes than just one game’s line score.
100, you’re quibbling. To quote the great Willy Wonka don’t quibble.
Don’t call it a comeback!
Man, and the M’s just seemed done after that disaster 1st inning. Good stuff, baby. Baby steps.
And Joel actually has a much lower pitch count than Chacin. I’d argue this is the old Joel: screws up or around in the 1st or 2nd inning then settle down the rest of the game.
92, Mitch — the emphasis here is not so much on K’s alone as it is on the “three true outcomes” that can tell you about how a pitcher is doing on the things he can control (K’s, walks, home runs) independent of defense, one of which is the strikeout. It it isn’t a tool for looking retrospectively and seeing whether a pitcher is performing well, it is used to look prospectively at how he will do in the future.
[And Joel wasn't striking people out in that 1st inning, was he? That came later, when he started shutting people down.]
McGowen…didn’t he used to be a game show host? Man the Jays really have the market cornered for pitchers with interesting names: yesterday Bush, League; today, Picture and Game show host.
eh, Catalanotto. frankly I half-expected it to be him to break up the no-no yesterday….
I don’t find McGowan to be all that interesting of a name.
Joel did get 1 K in the first inning, but he had 10 PA’s (opportunties) to get that strikeout.
Bad innings happen if Joel goes seven gives up 5 runs and ks 8 I would be good w/ that. It just seems like so many of you guys on the USSM are Joel haters and don’t want him to succeed. And yes I may be a little bias being a big Joel fan, but my point is if he can throw 92-95 mph he will be a legit #3 starter.
Nobody hates Joel. I’d LOVE for him to be a true #3 pitcher. But all the evidence says that ain’t gonna happen. Being a fan is one thing. Lieing to yourself is quite another.
How exactly is Mitch lying to himself by hoping that Joel comes back as a #3 starter?
So you are telling me that w/ Joels + curve if he can throw 92-95 you think he won’t be a legit #3. If he does this he will be successful, if not then he won’t. But wait until next year and I will be saying I told you so.
You would be good with 5 runs in 7 innings? That is an ERA of 6.49. I am not good with that. You don’t have to be a Joel hater to say that doesn’t cut it. I don’t care if he throws 192 mph.
Having said that, I am not at all a Joel hater. I expect him to be starting for the M’s next year, and his 1st inning today is not typical of his recent performances. I hope he pitches like innings 2-5 today all the time.
Mitch, everybody here would be delighted to see Pineiro as a legit #3 starter (whatever that means). But why do you take offense if others think that is unlikely?
I like Joel, just not when he’s pitching. JK If he succeeds it will only be a big bonus for next year’s rotation. Hey about about that Brown guy… According to Dave, he would upgrade the rotation and come cheaply.
85 – both, Phillies as a kid and Pirates while in college.
This rules! I had to go talk to a coworker for a bit, I come back and the score is 5-5. Awesome.
At this rate Joel’s only got 2 more innings in him… maybe.
So, if by some chance the M’s are leading in the 9th should Eddie pitch?
Yeah Kevin Brown’s a great idea old w/ a terrible ERA, just great.
Ichiro has been an out machine for the last couple of games. What’s up with that?
#114– Mitch said: “So you are telling me that w/ Joels + curve if he can throw 92-95 you think he won’t be a legit #3. ”
um, are you maybe thinking of Gil? because I don’t think Joel has ever regularly gotten his fastball up around 95 …
120, I was just joking because this blog has that debate going on now with Dave strongly advocating his signing.
Dave in palo alto, you listen to KNBR right? You know a mowgowen. who finally got the 7-10 shift by the way?
I said 92-95 and yes Joel used to top out @ 95, just not consistently. I am looking for 92-94 consistently and an occasional 95 mph heater when needed. If we get this he’ll be solid.
121, see comment 57
I only listen to KNBR if the Giants are on while I’m driving.
127, do you live in East Palo Alto?
I do not.
Oh McGowen, he of ERA 7,32 and 17 BB, why do thy scorn the M’s.
McGowen is the 206th best pitcher in the MLB. No wonder the M’s are having a rough time.
Thornton = go to Dennys early
Okay, Beltre rally starter! Where’s the ignitor when you need him?
Joel was hitting 94 regularly a few starts ago. I don’t think 92-95 is an unlikely prospect.
Here’s what I will take every single outing. 7IP, 8H, 0BB, 8K. The runs will fluctuate, but if he did that everytime he’d be an ace.
I disagree with the literal words Mitch said of people being against Pineiro, but you do have to admit, warranted or not, there’s a LOT of pessimism at this blog. And no, it’s not all “just going by the numbers.” stuff, some of it is, but there’s definately a pervasive sense of failure around here.
Pessimism, yes. Sense of failure, yes. Why, everyone knows. On the brighter side, hmmm, there is a bighter side….
If Joel can just induce a double play.
On another note, I firstguessed the idea of letting Joel pitch the 8th.
Red, at the beginning of the inning: “Joel has great velocity, still throwing 92.”
Yes, but his command was slipping, as he issued the 3-1 walk to Koskie. Then he gave up the dinger, then a hard hit ball to Gross. I wish sometimes they’d stop showing mph’s for pitches, or at least block the view of the readout from the broadcast booth.
they should have taken him out at 110 pitches….
sigh. I wondered if Gamecast was just laggy and Pineiro was really still out there… then this happens. Ugh.
Whoever thinks this blog is too negative needs only to visit http://marineroptimist.blogspot.com: The Mariners Will Win the World Series in 2005
and of course, Cliff Lee has to go give up a grand slam to make my evening worse.
How is Santiago a better hitter than Torrealba?
Okay, now the game is over. Oh, yea the bright side… the M’s split the series and did not get swept.
And What can you say about Grover, come hell or high water he wants to get a W for his pitcher. Bright side two: Eddie can’t blow this game.
I hate Mike Hargrove.
143. Better question is, why can’t Torrealba hit for himself in the 9th? He’s not Barry Bonds but he’s not exactly Pat Borders either.
Oh Rios of ye little strength (9 HR in 460 AB) why do thy scorn the M’s.
Wait, nevermind. Brilliant tactical move by Hargrove.
…
#143: That answers your question. 21 HBP against 713 career AB’s for Santiago vs only 8 HBP for Torrealba against 699 career AB’s.
See Santiago can hit! So basically the M’s get beat by a crappy pitcher in Mcgowen and a mediocre hitter in Rios. What’s new?
Hargrove’s brilliance with numbers is just so devine that we were fooled by the convential stats. That, or he didn’t get his daily intake of sausage.
Santiago can’t hit, he can get hit, but not hit.
Re: Pineiro… a general rule of thumb worth following is that the starter should only face the lineup 3 times, i.e. 27 batters. By this logic, Joel should have been pulled after 7, which was only one or two over 27.
Ichiro is now 0-10 and not helping himself.
#150: Every hitter in that Toronto lineup is mediocre at best. Hillenbrand is the only guy with an OPS over .800, and that’s only barely over at .808.
151. HAHA… I guess they put mushrooms on his 5th inning pizza instead of sausage.
And here we go again: Hansen the Out Machine for Betancourt, who’s reached base 3 times but apparently is not allowed to bat during a 9th inning rally under any circumstances.
152, it’s only a joke. The pun can’t very well work if someone says He can get hit!
#156: You forget, no doubt, that YB’d have to face a proven close in the 9th.
156, Grover is playing head games: let’s YuBet hit in the Angels game (situation had more pressure) but not this one… the man is a CERTIFIED genius.
I wonder what the record is for fielder’s indifference in a season. Ichiro has two in two games.
Did anyone expect the M’s to take 3 of 4? I’m just happy if they don’t get swept. Good night ya’ll
#156,158: Edit: Of course, “proven close” should read “proven closer.”
158. Got your point, LB. It makes sense, though, at this point in the season, and given how well he’s hit lately, why not give YuBet a chance to see what he can do against a good closer or three? It’s not like Hansen the Pinch Hitting Veteran has done all that much better.
hmm. wierd. M’s have had 7 LOB each game in Toronto.
interesting factoid from Ms Drayer. Pineiro is not flying to Detroit, he is flying back to Seattle as Mrs. P is having her baby tomorrow. He did not use it as an excuse, but Drayer opined he might have been distracted early on.
I think it’s a miracle the M’s did as well as they did tonight. Afterall, the first 4+ innings they had to face Morpheus on the mound. And, we got no Agent Smith in the line-up.
The blog has a “sense of failure”?
The last two years, the team’s record is 129-186. Last year, they were the third worst team in baseball. This year, they are the fifth worst team in baseball.
Have you considered that the blog may just have a sense of realism? The team has been a total failure for the past two years. Perhaps you’d be happier if we just ignored the fact that the team is terrible and discussed only the positives?
Well said Dave. And I for one appreciate the honesty and realism as opposed to being spoonfed plastic “optimism” that has as much chance of actually happening as Jose Canseco does of landing a job as Bret Boone’s agent. Keep giving it to us straight. There are plenty of sugarcoated places to visit if you want to believe Joel is an ace and Bloomquist is the future and Fairly is a decent announcer.
A few weeks ago we were having a thread about young players around the league, and the name Ryan Howard came up. I looked up his stats and offered that he was terrible against lefties.
I now want to revise and extend my remarks and give credit where credit is due.
Last night Mr. Howard hit a grand slam off – you guessed it – a southpaw. His OBP is now .170.
Stay tuned for this year’s Winter GM Meetings where the Phillies will reveal their strategy for next season.
Keep Thome, trade Howard, and try to win it all next year.
Keep Howard, attempt to trade Thome’s bad back and his mammoth salary ($12.5 in 2006, $14 in 2007, $14 in 2008) in exchange for prospects.
I’ll point out that Phillies LHP Cole Hamels is one of the top ranked prospects in the game even though this year has been a waste: started the year with a broken hand from a fight, then had a bad back midway through the year that shut him down for a month. Other than Hamels, the Phillies have nothing else in their farm system for 2006 when their nucleus of Thome/Abreu/Burrell/Utley will continue to be productive.
Baseball Prospectus 2005 says Howard’s comps include Sam Horn, Franklin Stubbs, Carlos Delgado, and Derrek Lee. The key is whether or not Howard can improve his walk rate. Had he played a full season (extrapolated stats from ESPN) this year he would have drawn 50 walks with an OBP of .353 and 35 HR.
Sexson’s line this year: 70 walks, .352 OBP, and 39 HR.
So, if you could get 1B Howard and Hamels for a bonafide major league starting pitcher + a minor league pitcher, AND if you could get a haul of other prospects for Sexson, would you do a deal like that?
Where are we going to find a spare major league starting pitcher? Last time I looked at the M’s rotation, we had only one, and an assembly of scrubs (apologies to Mr Moyer).
#171: It seems to me that it would have to depend on the “haul of other prospects” you’d get back for Sexson. And you’d have to look on it as part of a long-term plan (think Cleveland), meaning you’d ‘fess up to the fans that the 2006 team is likely to be no better than this year’s model.
Does Bill Bavasi have the luxury of that kind of time? Cleveland told their fans after 2001 that they were not going to contend for years, and the fans rewarded them by not buying tickets to games. I doubt Bavasi can keep faith of upper management for three lean years.
It would also have to depend on whether you could convince the Phillies that Joel Piñeiro was a “bonafide major league starting pitcher.” Ooh, boy, would his numbers look ugly in that little league park they play in in Philly.
On Wednesday night, I heard Mike Blowers say-I hope that he wasn’t talking about Felix–”He’s neither a fly-ball pitcher, nor a ground ball-pitcher; I’d say he’s 50/50.”
Isn’t 50/50 (1.0 to 1.0) the accepted defnition of a fly-ball pitcher?
[I'm telling you. The inmates are running the asylum.]
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Yeh but look at Cleveland now, they are a powerhouse, who not only has a good chance of making the playoffs this year, and possibly winning it all, but stands a hell of a chance of being a powerhouse for the next 5 years.
I’d take 2-3 more years of this if we can produce teams like the Indians have the last 15 years.
Good article. Very interesting and useful. Thanks.
Re: (# 172) GROUNDBALL/FLYBALL PITCHER – There seem to be a couple of Greater-than signs ( > ) missing. (That @#$%^& secretary.)
It should read: FLYBALL PITCHER = FB/GB of > 1.0.
Anyway, I take full responsibility–whatever that means.
And I’m trying to put this behind me–whatever that means.