Prince Moises

DMZ · October 22, 2005 at 5:29 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

The Braves got Moises Hernandez, a 21-year old prospect, as compensation for letting Leo Mazzone sign on with Baltimore. Moises is, as you’d probably guessed by the post title, King Felix’s older brother. I would explain why the older one isn’t the king but frankly, I’m not that good at genealogy and heraldry and that kind of thing. I just thought it was an interesting tidbit.


25 Responses to “Prince Moises”

  1. JMB on October 22nd, 2005 6:02 pm

    Moises clearly isn’t the pitcher Felix is; despite being three years older, Moises pitched short-season ball last year. He pitched pretty well, but that’s a far cry from the majors.

    Moises Hernandez 2005 stats

  2. msb on October 22nd, 2005 6:17 pm

    well, generally in a world of primogeniture, the younger being the king would imply that the elder was not of legitimate issue, not that I would ever imply such a thing re: the Hernandez family.

    My favorite recent example of this belongs to the Haden-Guest family, wherein the elder son Anthony was born prior to his father’s marriage to Elizabeth, thus making it impossible for him to inherit, and instead paving the way for his younger brother Christopher (born safely after his father’s 2nd marriage to Jean) to instead inherit the title of the Fifth Baron Haden-Guest of Saling in the County of Essex in the Peerage of the United Kingdom…. and speaking of Lord Haden-Guest, he is currenting filming an new movie, his version of award-show angst to be called “For your consideration”. yippee!

  3. Mat on October 22nd, 2005 7:21 pm

    Any word of injury issues with Moises? I noticed he only started 7 games this year.

    He’s surely not the pitcher that Felix is, but it looks like his walk rate is probably just as much a concern as his age.

  4. Willmore on October 22nd, 2005 7:24 pm

    An easier solution would be that the elder brother refused the title, but that would probably make him a Duke, not a Prince. ie. When Edward VIII abdicated, he was made Duke of Windsor. His brother became George VI, King of England.

    The same is possible if an older brother simply refuses to take the throne, in which case the next in line (usually, a younger brother) would take the throne, and the older brother can get a Dukedom or something.

  5. JMB on October 22nd, 2005 7:28 pm

    Moises Hernandez, the Duke of Mazzone.

    I like that.

  6. msb on October 22nd, 2005 7:42 pm

    #4, “The same is possible if an older brother simply refuses to take the throne, in which case the next in line (usually, a younger brother) would take the throne, and the older brother can get a Dukedom or something. ”

    so would that be like Ichiro’s elder brother?

  7. Willmore on October 22nd, 2005 8:47 pm

    I’ve got one that would qualify as a Prince-King relationship !

    They rule different Kingdoms.

    The older brother somehow got himself a Principality (like Monaco), while the younger brother is the King of a kingdom, like England.

  8. Tod on October 22nd, 2005 9:28 pm

    Why is Atlanta entitled to compensation? Reports have been contradictory, but the most credible seeming have reported that Mazzone worked on a year-to-year contract. Granted, that deal wouldn’t have expired until after the World Series, but I am surprised that Atlanta was able to squeeze compensation out of Baltimore for the privilege of talking before the Series.

  9. DMZ on October 22nd, 2005 9:30 pm

    Okay, so to look at this another way — if Mazzone wasn’t under contract, as you say, or if the Braves did not at least have some kind of rights over his movement, the Yankees would not have had to ask permission to talk to him, and they certainly wouldn’t have had to put up with artificial deadlines on how long they had.

    They did. Because he was. If “the most credible” reported he wasn’t under contract, they’re credible and wrong.

    For a set of good cites from credible sources that Mazzone had a year left on his deal, see msb’s comment in this thread.

  10. KW on October 22nd, 2005 10:25 pm

    How about a biblical example?

    “And not only this, but when Rebecca had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, ‘The older shall serve the younger.’ As it is written, ‘Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.’

  11. Colm on October 22nd, 2005 11:11 pm

    Do you think Moises sold his inheritance for a mess of potage? Or luck if he did.

  12. KW on October 22nd, 2005 11:43 pm

    I daresay he did. Felix certainly got the better of the two…

  13. KW on October 22nd, 2005 11:44 pm

    Now as long as the M’s can fulfill the role of Laban and trick Felix into playing for a week of years–twice–we should be good. Anybody got a Leah or Rachel around?

  14. Colm on October 22nd, 2005 11:53 pm

    BTW, if a British aristocrat refuses a title he or she does not automatically inherit a lesser title. Edward VIII didn’t refuse to become King – he was already king. He insisted on marrying a twice divorced American socialite (Mrs Wallace Simpson, odd name for a doll) and then quit rather than accept that she would not become queen.

    It has only been possible for lords to decline titles since the 1963, when Tony Benn led a bill through parliament. Benn had been an elected member of parliament but became Viscount Stansgate in 1960 upon the death of his father. As an hereditary member of the House of Lords, Benn passed the Peerage Act, relinquished his title and seat in the Lords, and returned to being an extremely left-wing elected Labour MP for most of the rest of the century.

  15. Peter J on October 23rd, 2005 12:14 am

    I got to meet Tony Benn in July- he talked about that a little bit. Awesome guy.

  16. Dave on October 23rd, 2005 6:41 am

    Also, I’d just like to point out that I’m really enjoying David Cameron’s rise to power. Always fun to wake up to articles like the one written the other day, praising his wisdom and ruggish good looks.

  17. Jim Thomsen on October 23rd, 2005 1:29 pm

    #16: There’s Leah Buhner.

  18. msb on October 23rd, 2005 3:00 pm

    #16– and you get such good headlines out of it…

    Cameron favourite with Tory MSPs
    Only Cameron can excite the party … and the voters

  19. Ralph Malph on October 23rd, 2005 3:28 pm


  20. Chet Masters on October 23rd, 2005 5:56 pm

    [deleted, link spamming and it was a lame comment anyway]

  21. DMZ on October 23rd, 2005 7:03 pm

    Yeah yeah yeah, if you can’t be bothered to do the research and figure it out, I don’t think we’re obligated to give you a serious answer.

  22. Brian Rust on October 24th, 2005 9:35 am

    Actually, all that inheritance and titles stuff has nothing to do with King Felix. He gained his title through popular acclaim in a foreign land, as a result of his victorious domination of the fields of battle, with help from the promotion of his cause by the nobles of USS Mariner. El hermano Moises has nothing to inherit.

  23. contributor on October 24th, 2005 10:11 am

    If anyone is still interested, the Braves got compensation because they allowed the Orioles to negotiate with Leo prior to his contract running out. The contract still has not expired and apparently Baltimore was in negotiations with him for several weeks. The real question is, why was Atlanta paying him only $250,000 a year? A pittance for a man who improves his pitchers’ ERA by half a run. In other sports, he’d be making more than double that as a prized aide.

  24. Evan on October 24th, 2005 1:51 pm

    The elder brother could remain prince if he was somehow ineligible to take the throne. This is how elder princesses remain princesses after their younger brothers become King.

    Given that they’re both boys, this sort of thing would require somethng like Salic law, where one would become ineligible if he became (or married) a Catholic.

  25. Colm on October 26th, 2005 9:52 am

    Surely that’d be the least of your worries upon marrying a Catholic?