Newsflash: Pat Gillick still bad at job

Dave · January 5, 2006 at 7:45 am · Filed Under Mariners 

The Phillies have signed Ryan Franklin to a 1 year, $2.6 million dollar contract. 

Sorry Deanna. 


125 Responses to “Newsflash: Pat Gillick still bad at job”

  1. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 5:59 pm

    it was argued without any statistical backing

  2. DMZ on January 5th, 2006 6:02 pm

    What was.. what?

  3. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 6:03 pm

    VORP being irrellevent to pitchers

  4. Gromky on January 5th, 2006 6:05 pm

    The o stands for OVER not Obviously

    Yep, because just the fact that you give a stat a specific name it becomes a perfect indication of that state.

    If I create a number that I call “Intelligence Above The Average Person” and then administer the test by giving you a word in French and having you pick the equivalent word in German…would you really believe your score was an indication of intelligence? A stat is only as good as what it takes into account. In this case, VORP completely ignores that Franklin’s defense independent stats have wavered between bad and awful his entire career.

  5. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 6:05 pm

    I understand that the M’s have been a near top-notch defensive team during his tenure here and I can take that into acount when looking at his VORP

  6. Dave on January 5th, 2006 6:05 pm

    Umm, okay. Do you not understand how the fact that VORP doesn’t separate out defense from pitching makes it flawed?

  7. Dave on January 5th, 2006 6:06 pm

    Except you clearly can’t, because your conclusions are incorrect.

  8. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 6:07 pm

    that would be wisdom (Knowledge retention) Gromky, not intelligence (Figuring)

  9. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 6:08 pm

    yes I understand the flaw and therefore can factor the discrepancies

  10. LF Monster on January 5th, 2006 6:08 pm

    Don’t want to turn this into an argument

  11. Gromky on January 5th, 2006 6:10 pm

    that would be wisdom (Knowledge retention) Gromky, not intelligence (Figuring)

    Actually, it would be more a measure of linguistic proficiency (and a poor one at that, taking into account only two languages). But I stated the stat was measuring intelligence, so it must be. Just like you taking VORP as a good indicator of whether a pitcher is actually better than replacement.

    It’s an analogy.

  12. Jon Wells on January 5th, 2006 6:42 pm

    #63 Thanks, Jim, for pointing out the increase
    in the minimum salary. I hadn’t seen that.

    And, apparently, the folks at the Associated Press can’t add! It’s an $11K increase, not $9K…

    Baseball Minimum Salary Jumps to $327,000
    By Associated Press

    NEW YORK — The minimum salary for players in the major leagues is rising $9,000 this year to $327,000.

    Really Long Link Deleted

  13. Jim Thomsen on January 5th, 2006 6:48 pm

    Which makes one wonder, upon reflection, if the minimum wage is really $325,000.

  14. domovoi on January 5th, 2006 7:48 pm

    yes I understand the flaw and therefore can factor the discrepancies

    The problem is that you failed to do this in your analysis that 5 Ryan Franklins would be almost as good as NY’s starters.

  15. BelaXadux on January 5th, 2006 7:52 pm

    Sure wouldn’t want to pay two-and-a-half very large for Frankie’s skillset, especially in a park where he’ll perform like said Christmas tree soaked in gasoline sending sparks skyward. He has crumbled-cookie value, but not there. . . . It would be interesting, however, if Franklin actually resorted to the knuckleball. That pitch I love to watch, and it would be the only way to see Franklin still in the bigs going into the ’07 season.

  16. CCW on January 5th, 2006 8:28 pm

    Different person, Domovoi. It was me who made the Yankees pitching staff point and, once Dave pointed out that VORP didn’t take into account defense, I wished I could take it back… because the Yankees had a pretty bad defense last year. I stood corrected. (I still think Dave’s being a little stubborn about how bad Franklin is, though)

  17. Pilots fan on January 5th, 2006 9:05 pm

    Wow. Franky at $2.6M. I don’t think that’s such a bad decision on the part of the Spiro boys either. I expected him to sign for somewhere around $1M or less, with IP incentives up to $1.5M. So, to me that is somewhere north of 2x his market value.

    If I were his brother I would take the money and hope for the best as well, no matter what park he’ll be pitching in.

  18. Jim Thomsen on January 5th, 2006 9:08 pm

    Best line of the day, from Ken Rosenthal at

    “The Phillies never obtained the pitcher they wanted, but did sign free-agent right-hander Ryan Franklin to a one-year, $2.6 million contract on Thursday.”

  19. joran on January 5th, 2006 9:10 pm

    Did you notice Franky got a larger contract than Boone? What is this world coming too!?

  20. msb on January 5th, 2006 10:23 pm

    major league vs minor league (speaking of minimums…)

  21. Corey on January 5th, 2006 11:26 pm

    #118 You are dead-on there, lol. Rosenthal is good for a nice chuckle every now and again.

  22. Jim Thomsen on January 5th, 2006 11:53 pm

    The thing is, I don’t think Rosenthal was trying to be funny.

  23. terry on January 6th, 2006 4:01 am

    A haiku 4 U:

    The King wont be one
    Maybe two between lefties
    Franklin’s VORP misleads

  24. Calderon on January 6th, 2006 3:22 pm

    What a difference a day makes. Reports today have Pat Gillick trying to work out a Bobby Abreau for Miguel Tejada trade according to Fox Sports.

  25. jack howland on January 6th, 2006 11:47 pm

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