Dave’s Crazy ’06 Predictions

Dave · April 4, 2006 at 10:47 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Yea, I know, the season has already started, but I was a wee bit busy this weekend, so take em when you can get em.

Dave’s Wild Predictions For 2006

Mariner Specific Predictions

Wins: 85
Runs Scored/Allowed: 770-749
Team MVP: Felix Hernandez
Most Improved: Adrian Beltre
Comeback Player: Rafael Soriano
BA leader: Ichiro, who else, .339
HR leader: Beltre, 34
OPS leader: Sexson, .880
Innings Pitched Leader: Felix, 198
ERA Leader: King Felix, 2.47
K leader: El Cartuela, 213

Random Predictions

Number of times I yell at JJ Putz for throwing nothing but four seam fastballs: 58
Reliever fans have most confidence in by April 15th: Soriano
Times Mike Hargrove saves Guardado for a save situation at home in extra innings, thus driving me completely insane: 6
Derek’s most commonly uttered phrase during game threads: AAAARRRRGH
Failed attempts to read a Joe Sheehan column without hitting myself with a bat: 4
Number of no-hitters Felix throws this season: 1
Odds I fly to some AL city just to watch Felix in person this year: 2-1
Date of Mike Hargrove’s firing: May 19th, 2006
Players traded by July 31st deadline: Shin-Soo Choo, Rene Rivera, Julio Mateo
M’s selection with #5 pick in June Draft: Brandon Morrow


90 Responses to “Dave’s Crazy ’06 Predictions”

  1. Dave on April 4th, 2006 1:51 pm

    He probably can, but there’s a difference between being able to throw one and having confidence enough to throw it with the winning run in scoring position. Putz’s repertoire is basically a four seam fastball and a mediocre splitter. When he’s in a jam, that’s what he’s going to.

    The lack of a punchout pitch has always been his achilles heel, and that hasn’t changed.

  2. Mr. Egaas on April 4th, 2006 1:53 pm

    Number of web gems made by Betancourt this year: 54

    Betancourt could win the gold glove based on Baseball Tonight web gems alone.

  3. realsmack on April 4th, 2006 1:58 pm

    Please, oh please –

    May 19th is my birthday. I couldn’t think of a better present than saying goodbye to “grover.”

  4. Eleven11 on April 4th, 2006 1:58 pm

    John Thompsen or Dave, do you think that they will trade to bolster the Majors club or look for prospects? It seems to me that unless you are going to get an ace, any trade gets you only a few more wins if it works. So unless you are really contending, would it not make more sense to work on the minors (and I am not talking about a fire sale at the majors level but moves made with AAA or AA type guys).

  5. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 2:00 pm

    It’s John Thomson, not Thomsen. It wouldn’t do for anyone to think we were related.

  6. Smegmalicious on April 4th, 2006 2:02 pm

    Dave, I understand, but he seriously can’t think he can put six 95 MPH straight fastballs by MLB calibur hitters, can he? It’s like watching a pitching machine up there, the guy throws every pitch the exact same speed every time.

  7. Eleven11 on April 4th, 2006 2:05 pm

    Well, I didn’t get either name right! Sorry!!

  8. seank100 on April 4th, 2006 2:12 pm

    I share your concern about Putz. What the heck is this guy still doing here? Maybe it’s just me, but I seem to remember from last season Putz being a choke artist. I got that lousy feeling in the pit of my stomach last night when he came in from the pen. Why do we keep putting this guy on the mound?

  9. Matthew Carruth on April 4th, 2006 2:17 pm

    because he threw 60IP with a 3.6 ERA.

  10. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 2:17 pm

    Putz may well get a midseason contract extension, given his performance. Two years, $2.6 million, I’m guessing. I’m not even sure if I’m joking.

  11. seank100 on April 4th, 2006 2:18 pm

    Isn’t there a way to find out how many runs he allowed that were not charged to him, though? Case in point, last night.

  12. eponymous coward on April 4th, 2006 2:22 pm

    In Steve’s world, the skies are always gray and the glass is always half empty. Last year’s team, without Felix for most of the year, was a 75 win team that got some bad breaks and won 69. There’s no way they’re worse than they were last year. No way.

    An 81 win team that gets those same bad breaks can be a 75 win team, though. Just because you rolled snake eyes at the crap table 3 consecutive times doesn’t mean you won’t roll them again on the next one.

    Dave, you mentioned that if Felix is lights-out, maybe it’s a repeat of 1997. My take is that RJ being superhuman in 1995 and 1997, and the offense being superhuman in 1996, only made the M’s an 85-90 win team (they averaged about 88 wins, if you project 1995 to a 162 game season), and that was with contributions from THREE mortal lock HOF players (Griffey, RJ, A-Rod), one less than mortal lock one at his peak performance (Edgar), and several All Star caliber players chipping in (Buhner, Moyer, Tino). That’s an awful lot of talent base- and the only way three 2006 Mariners are going to the Hall of Fame is if Felix and Ichiro buy a ticket for someone.

    Felix ain’t pitching 230 innings, either.

    I think they are a year or two away. I think we need some candidates to step forward from the farm system OTHER than Felix to start, so instead of spending 15 million on 3 starters who won’t cut it as a group, we can spend 330K on one of those starters and be more aggressive in chasing the Esteban Loaizas of the world, for one thing.

    And it would help if we didn’t sign washed-up DHs for 3.4 million, either.

  13. deltwelve on April 4th, 2006 2:26 pm


    He allowed 14 of 44 inherited runners to score last year. Of course, I have no idea what an average or a good rate would be, but that sounds decent to me.

  14. seank100 on April 4th, 2006 2:31 pm

    I have to admit that doesn’t sound too bad; I’m willing to admit it may be just a bad perception on my part. But then, and I may be opening myself up to criticism here, I’m more of a gut-check guy than a numbers guy. Thanks for the quick response on those RA/RI numbers.

  15. mln on April 4th, 2006 2:47 pm

    JJ Putz is disturbingly like a right-handed Matt Thornton. Throws a hard but straight 4-seam fastball. Has sporadic command, and an inconsistent secondary pitch.

  16. Matthew Carruth on April 4th, 2006 2:53 pm

    Putz’s numbers from 05 are all good, which leads to the response seen in #64 “well, I guess it was just those few bad HR that stand out.”, well, it’s true and measureable. Despite his good runs allowed numbers, Putz’s WX (win expectancy) was -0.4. IOW, he was good over the aggregate, but he picked terrible times to give up what runs he did. It’s about the opposite of what Sherill did.

  17. Matthew Carruth on April 4th, 2006 2:54 pm

    there’s a big difference between Matt Thornton’s (lack of) command and Putz’s.

    BP’s career translated ratios list BB/9:
    Putz: 3.5
    Thornton: 7.0

  18. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 2:57 pm

    Putz isn’t horrible, just infinitely replaceable.

  19. jtopps on April 4th, 2006 2:59 pm

    infinitely replaceable…how do you measure that?

  20. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 3:00 pm

    By putting Aaron Looper, Scott Atchison or Jeff Heaverlo in his uniform and seeing no discernible change in results.

  21. Smegmalicious on April 4th, 2006 3:11 pm

    If Putz was so replaceable, wouldn’t we have, you know, replaced him?

  22. billT on April 4th, 2006 3:22 pm

    If Putz was so replaceable, wouldn’t we have, you know, replaced him?

    No. If all these parts are truly interchangeable, then it doesn’t hurt to have a little depth.

  23. Edgar For Pres on April 4th, 2006 3:23 pm

    You guys drastically overestimate the effect of Hargrove’s choice to send in Putz. If Eddie would have gotten hurt during the summer I’d say that there is at least a 50% chance that Putz would have been our “closer”. Putz looks great sometimes and gets hit other times. Its opening day and he had some control problems with his first batter. It happens. I don’t like it, but it happens. Its not like the Angels were tearing Putz apart. He walked a guy and then got a hit up the middle. It happens. Its part of the game. Next time Putz goes out there I’m sure he’ll pitch fine. If he does this every time he goes out there we have a problem. Do you really think Eddie would have done so much better? I know Putz’s 97 mph 4 seamer is as straight as a ruler but Eddie’s 87 mph fastball…well does it really matter how much an 87 mph fastball is moving side to side its going 87 mph. Putz is a decent reliever. Most teams would be happy to take him and he is much better than the reliever trash that didn’t make our team. The real reason we lost that game was the HR that Moyer gave up which should have never happened. I’m pretty sure that Vlad should be intentially walked every time he comes to the plate. Straight up, Vlad scares the crap out of me when we face him. Also, we should have gotten some runs with the bases loaded. 9 out of 10 times I bet we get at least one or two runs that inning. Oh well, this is the reason we play 162 games.

  24. Smegmalicious on April 4th, 2006 3:31 pm

    The problem wasn’t that he got torched, the problem was that he blew two straight 0-2 counts.

  25. Ralph Malph on April 4th, 2006 3:34 pm

    Thank you for that dose of common sense, Edgar for Pres.

    The question of whether to put in the closer in the top of the 9th in a tie game is an interesting abstract one that might mean a lot if we had a “lights out” closer. We don’t.

  26. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 3:34 pm

    #74’s right. Putz doesn’t have a true out pitch. That makes him unsuited to the responsibilities he’s been given.

  27. Edgar For Pres on April 4th, 2006 3:57 pm

    So you guys want us to put in Eddie. I’d say Eddie has just as good of a chance of allowing a run as Putz does. There were points near the end of last year where I thought Putz might be a better closer than Eddie but thats beside the point. Lets say he goes one inning without allowing a run and our offense doesn’t score either. Do you send Eddie back out there? What if you go another inning without anybody scoring, then what? If you guys think Putz is garbage/replacable then you have the option of Woods/Harris/Mateo which isn’t pretty. I was surprised he used Soriano so early. That is what we should be talking about I think. I think you’ve gotta use Putz in that situation and have Soriano do the work later in the game during crunch time. Then bring in Eddie after Soriano. I think the combo of Putz/Soriano/Guardado with Sherril on standby is a potent staff that is one of the best in baseball.

    Oh yeah, Putz doesn’t have an out pitch, big deal. He throws fast and gets people out. He usually is pretty good about throwing strikes too. Most of the time those two 0-2 counts lead to outs even if you know he is throwing his fastball.

  28. DMZ on April 4th, 2006 4:05 pm

    I just had a weird moment where I felt my left side of my brain twitch.

  29. Smegmalicious on April 4th, 2006 4:05 pm

    I don’t necessarily want Eddie in there but I think that basically any pitcher on a MLB staff, especailly one who is a ‘lights out’ guy or a ‘setup/closer’ type guy, should be able to get an out after going 0-2. Fucking that up once is not the end of the world, but going 0-2 then walking a guy TWICE??? That’s bad.

    Of course it’s just one game, but it’s all I’ve got so far!

  30. Jim Thomsen on April 4th, 2006 4:09 pm

    “I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.”

  31. Steve T on April 4th, 2006 4:15 pm

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I think the rest of the season will provide lots of regression to the mean with respect to 0-2 counts, as well as for bases-loaded-nobody-scores situations. No need to panic just yet.

  32. Mike Snow on April 4th, 2006 4:16 pm

    Soriano was brought in with two men on in a tie game and faced the 2-5 hitters in the Angels’ lineup. Putz was brought in with one man on to face a pinch-hitter for the 9 hole, in a situation where it was clear that if he reached the heart of the lineup at all, either it would be in extra innings or it would mean he had already failed anyway. The latter turned out to be the case.

    I think I prefer Soriano in the spot he was used, given the scenario. I don’t have that much confidence in Putz generally, but if the circumstances require using him then I think the two were deployed appropriate to the leverage of the situation.

  33. Edgar For Pres on April 4th, 2006 4:28 pm

    Ok guys we are being pissed that Putz got to a 0-2 count and then blew it. I could understand if he was 3-0 but not 0-2. You guys are pissed because he toyed with our emotions more than he pitched horrible. And agreed with #81. Actually I think we looked pretty good except early when our lineup was getting mowed down one after the other.

  34. G-Man on April 4th, 2006 5:07 pm

    Times Dave plugs Andrew Miller as someone the M’s should draft if available: 14

    He exceeded that already. Just counting Sunday. Seriously.

    I could be safe and predict a range of 70-80 wins, but that’s too broad to be a legit prediction, IMHO. I’ll go with 75 wins.

  35. scraps on April 4th, 2006 5:08 pm

    The issue isn’t whether Eddie is a “lights out” closer, because Hargrove would do the same thing if he was. The issue is that Hargrove has identified a man as his closer, and is then doing something stupid with him. He would if it was Mariano Rivera, too.

    The issue is that Hargrove can’t be trusted to think about the game he’s managing. He has presets, that’s all.

  36. Sane on April 4th, 2006 5:18 pm

    Somebody should tell Dave it’s “el cartelua”, not “el cartuela”. Don’t insult the King by getting his self-dubbed nickname wrong.

  37. joser on April 4th, 2006 6:54 pm

    Google cartuela — how obscure is this word? (And no, it doesn’t matter if you search en español).

  38. joser on April 4th, 2006 6:56 pm

    Ah, thanks Sane, I see. Still, USSM is well on its way to making that a word in its own right, at least on the web. Heh.

  39. kevin p on April 4th, 2006 9:54 pm

    if hargrove keeps using guardado like that, he really is going to be out of the job

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