Game 7, Athletics at Mariners
RHP Rich Harden v RHP Joel Pineiro. 1:05, FSN.
2004 ended with an elbow strain. He missed a fairly large chunk of time to start 2005 with shoulder stiffness. His release point and mechanics were horrible for most of the season and his velocity was significantly down.
After the elbow injury, his strikeout rate dove and never recovered. The walk rate’s been about the same, the HR rate’s the same. He just wasn’t getting the strikeouts anymore.
By year, since 2001:
19.4%
16.7%
17.0%
18.6%
13.0%
The league average is about 16%. In game terms, that’s a stikeout in every start, and that’s a significant effect on his success. Dave’s talked recently about how the difference between Pineiro and Meche is that Pineiro’s worth something, but this Pineiro — the guy with the hittable fastball who seems to be converting into a Bosio junkballer kinda role — isn’t a whole lot of help to a team trying to compete, either.
May he now have a stellar night to show me up.
Carl Everett watch:
.158/.304/.368
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Whats the over/under on WFB, getting a start today?
0 and holding
dont understand all the hate on pineiro
yes, he was overhyped after his terrific first season, but even with his terrible velocity last year, his FIP was ~4.50. In the AL, that IS worth something.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260409112
Beltre moved down a spot….
ahh and the new guy gets the start behind the dish.
No one’s arguing that that’s not worth something. The point is that when you’re trying to get over 81 wins, that’s not a lot of help.
Hm, an about league average pitcher with an about league average lineup should be good for going about .500.
A guy that can’t get strikeouts at the league average rate, who has a league-average HR rate, a league-average walk rate, and puts up those stats in Safeco is not an average pitcher. He’s not horrible, but a .500 pitcher in Safeco would be better than that
Hopefully we can score more than 0 runs this game…
When’s the last time we were shut out three games in a row?
Was that HBP intentional? I’m thinking of the two yesterday.
I think its pretty ridiculous to intentionally hit the first batter of the game, so I would say not intentional
11. Don’t think so. Piniero seemed to be laughing at himself a little bit.
Quiroz’s chest protector looks smart.
Okay, thanks. I’m watching on gameday here, by the way, so I can’t see for myself.
Beltre behind Everett. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah.
Yeah I figured Beltre could use a move down, but behind Everett?
To look at these last two games in a different way than how awful the Ms are, it might just be that the A’s are really good. The A’s have a habit of starting slow and then coming on at the end of the year. Maybe they will just run away from everyone this year.
Beltre: .136/.174/.136 … It’d sure be nice if we didn’t have anyone in the lineup hitting that poorly.
My money’s on Rich Harden for the Cy Young. (Only because Felix won’t get enough wins and IPs…)
Frank Thomas just looked awful
Harden definitely has great stuff, but he’s yet to stay healthy for an entire season. That’s like saying my money is on Snelling for batting title (if he were playing right now). Sure it’s possible – and there’s no doubt that he has the ability, but lets see him get a full season in first.
Note: The ‘he’ in my last sentence there is referring back to Harden again, not Snelling.
Good inning for Joel
Well DMZ, it looks like Peneiro is going to try his damndest to show you up one way or another. lol
oh man i thought C-Rex was gonna end the scoring drought
Take a look at Beltre’s hit chart. So far he either grounds out to the 3B/SS or pops it up the other way.
This sucks. There’s no way they are going to touch Harden.
Did they say that Pineiro hit 98? Or did I mis-hear that?
Also: slow night on the comments thread.
Small wonder: it’s a slow night in Safeco too.
Well, it’s not been a streak of games to incite ecstatic comment posting in regards to the stellar play. In fact, it’s actually been quite depressing, and could possibly continue to be so for a while…Like until Petagine gets a start.
Crikey, he’s working the count!
We are witnessing a perfect game so far.
Harden’s making our guys look BAD
So much for that.
Being a Bosio junkballer is not that bad if Joel can do it as well as Bosio.
Piniero is hurting the Big Hurt
Joel ain’t doing to bad himself, either.
Piñiero’s getting some pretty generous calls tonight
Never Fear! Corco’s Here! The comments should accelerate now!
Looks like the only we will score is on a long ball.
This is dominance. Wake up, bats! Wake up!
I have a BAD feeling about this.
2 hits Friday, 1 hit Saturday…no hits today?
Looks like Harden’s trying to show up Zito.
Does that mean -1 hits next game??
Only 39 pitches for Harden through 4 innings.
Harden is my pick for the Cy Young this year, if he stays healthy.
Only 39 pitches for Harden through 4 innings.
Hmm… the count they showed on the screen had hit at 41 after 3 innings.
On the positive side, Pineiro’s looking good for the second straight outing.
46. If there’s a way to do it, we’ll find it. It’ll probably involve Bloomquist.
spoke too soon.
Well the way we’re hitting (or rather not hitting) those 2 runs might be all thats needed to decide this game.
Sorry, I was taking my pitch count from ESPN. It’s 50 through 4. He could still conceiably last through 9, however.
E5
bad break
Well that innings finally over…we’re in a bit of trouble unless we can start getting some guys on base
Here’s our chance to pile up runs. If someting drastically bad happened to Harden and he can’t pitch effectively this inning, they’ll leave him in for awhile to try to get done with 5 and get the win. So we just need to have a couple of outs, score three runs, and load the bases, then hit a grand slam. Should be cake for the M’s.
Hey … I can dream, can’t I?
HOORAY A HIT!!!
OMG! A HIT!
Hah! My dioabolical scheme is working!
Or not.
BTW … according to ESPN, Beltre went from .130 to .167 on that hit.
Gah.
This game is quite the Snoozer. What happened to that team we saw vs. the Angels?
Is anyone even watching this game anymore?
no, im not. well, it’s technically on, but i’m not paying attention
7.0 IP, 10 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO…
So much for joel proving dmz wrong.
I am. I even watched the majority of the 2004 and 2005 games. I don’t know why. The team pisses me off and I throw my remote occasionally and will turn the game off. But five minutes later it’s back on and I’m back yelling at the tv. At least today I can say I’m watching to see what a good pitcher looks like, but most of the time I’m sitting here watching bad baseball. I hate this team.
I have to admit, I’ve still got the game on, but I’m tinkering with the ads and site layout, especially when Pineiro’s pitching.
hey. a hit. now we get to watch beltre strike out! yay!
er…everett. jeez, shows how much attention i’m paying.
Hopefully a dinosaur stomps on him.
The Masters is on CBS and is pretty exciting. Couples is in contention.
wow. i had that right on the money.
How in the world can we be this bad? Last I checked at least 6 out of 9 batters in our lineup were major-league quality hitters.
yay for harris.
An optimist would just chalk it up to good pitching on the As part.
I’m kind of paying attention to the M’s game, but I’m more reveling in the delight that the baseball curse hanging over Pennsylvania was finally lifted today.
I don’t think we’re that bad… the Oakland pitchers *are* pretty damned awesome.
Whee, Jeff Harris.
you know what it is. we suck because the A’s are wearing those cool new helmets and we are intimidated by them.
It’s funny … the Mariners get a lot of props for their international scouting, but they sure don’t seem interested in players less than 100 miles away  Rich Harden (Victoria, B.C.), Jeff Francis, Adam Loewen, Justin Morneau, etc. You think they’d invest a few organizational bucks (literally) in a Canadian bird-dog scout.
and the A’s brains can breathe. our hitters heads are being suffocated
and we drafted Harden in 1999, he just wouldn’t sign.
Five hits in three games. That’s par for Ichiro, not a whole team.
SNAP. Point, Corco.
79 – and don’t forget Jason Bay from Trail, BC! He even went to Gonzaga.
I remember those Harden negotiations. I don’t think the M’s tried very hard. And that’s my point … they developed no relationships.
yay! now we can watch Borchard ground into a double play!
That’s a good point — the Northwest isn’t a hotbed of baseball like the sunbelt, but the Mariners should pretty much be on top of everything that happens anywhere near here, and be pitching kids on how great the Mariners are from junior high on. The Braves do a tremendous job of this locally, and it pays off.
What in the world? Two baserunners?!
and whatever happened to Petagine? Dude hits a HR and disappears off the face of the planet.
If we scored, it would make my weekend.
almost.
YEAH PETAGINE!
Just a flyball. That’s all I ask.
Yay! Petagine!
load em up!
If Ichiro could get a double, this is a whole new ballgame.
oh, jeez, get a hit, Ichiro
EEE CHEE ROW!
that was outside
Meanwhile, back on the farm:
Tacoma 6, Colorado Springs 0 in the fifth inning of Game 1:
 Cha Seung Baek, 5 IP, 1 hit, 2 walks, 5 Ks
 T.J. Bohn, Greg Dobbs and Mike Morse have all gone deep
 Dobbs and Rene Rivera, 2-2
That outside edge has been inconsistent today. The low strike’s there, but the straight out seems to come and go.
make him pitch!
daggggggggggggggggggggg ummmmmmmm ok lopez
holy crap man, were did the offense go?!?!?!
well… it’s a run. C’mon Raul!
A RUN!!! via HBP haha…lopez didnt even look like he tried to get out of the way
Whata Mariners way to get a run after all this time.
How pathetic.
Hey, that works.
It looked like Lopez let the ball hit him.
We scored!
Yeah, no organization should get pocket-picked of top talent in their own backyard. If nothing else, it should be a pride thing.
Just imagine if Larry Walker (Maple Ridge, BC) had been a 17-year draft-and-follow Mariner.
And some 27 innings later…
why the heck would he move?!
shit.
That was that, I guess.
We are awfully good at leaving the bases loaded.
Our one run, a HBP bases-loaded walk. A more passive offense you cannot find.
Sorry, watching gamecast. Did he swing at ball 4?
Load the bases for the top of the order and get one run. Pathetic.
Clearly, the A’s need to answer that run. I mean, how can they not? The game could be on the line.
117: Not to mention that two of the players on base, including the scoring run, were walked as well.
“A more passive offense you cannot find.”
Exactly. I can’t believe that for three games we’ve looked as flat as if we had Boone, Olivo and Valdez in the lineup again. Yeesh.
I hope nobody’s hurt….
Just a question, why didn’t the M’s use Johjima as a pinch hitter that inning? He’s had a great start to the season, and he’s in defensively now. Why not try to get him a chance to drive in some runs?
Is it wrong for me to hope that Beltre might miss a game?
I’ve spent so long rooting for him, but my faith… it wanes.
shooo….that could’ve beeen ugly. Ibanez at 3rd base is not something I want to see.
124: That’s a good question. Clearing the bench in 1 inning is ugly.
Apparently this is our weekend at Duffy’s Bar.
On a side note, I like what we’ve seen so far from Woods.
Why doesn’t Sexon striking out to start the inning suprise me?
Come on Jeremy…
Rally!
Our first run in three games that we almost actively earned. Wow!!1!
thars a double!
c’mon Willie Hero!
Either that or PH Moyer.
Here comes WFB!
If he were truly scrappy he’d not GIDP here. But my money is on GIDP.
Oops, he can’t GIDP. So he’ll pop up weakly to someone.
On the final out already, no DP needed.
Johjima for Mayor.
If he can GIDP here, that’s quite an accomplishment.
If anyone can GIDP with two outs…its Willie.
that was a money pitch. how do you let that go by?!
holy cow!!!!!!!!!!! base hit!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!
Ignitor!
That’ll get Bloomquist another 250 AB’s this year.
He’s clutch!!1!
Come on Ichiro!
It’s depressing seeing “On deck: Ichiro Suzuki (.207)”, isn’t it?
Gameday seems lagged. Grr.
ok….. here we go.
willie the advancor!!
Ichiro has another chance with two in scoring position.
He takes what he can get baby.
Whoa! Game on!
SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
WOOHOO!
O.M.G.
WTF!! cool.
HAHAHAHA!!!!! I LOVE BASEBALL!!
Holy cow.
I didn’t know the Joffrey Ballet was in town. They need to work on that routine!
Keep it going boys!
THE THIEF!!!!!!1
COMEON JOSE!!!!!!!!!!
Ichiro with the steal. Come on Lopez!
DAMMINT
The dimming glimmer of hope.
Come ON!!!!
Do you send Ichiro here?
Don’t play with my feelings like that.
Wow.
Not being able to watch the game on TV, I have to know what just happened. Someone please fill me in!
that was fun for a while. yay.
Well, at least we made it exciting in the end.
Dang it. Next time, guys, could you wake up before the 6th inning?
Ichiro stole second, Lopez grounded out.
Re 170: I meant on Ichiro’s AB.
Okay. So we lost. But crap! We had the winning run on second! At least there was a glimmer of life in what had become a pretty miserable series.
6-4, endgame. At least it was a respectable loss.
170 – Comebacker to the mound by Ichiro, Street underhanded it right over Swisher at first, Ichiro safe. That’s what I got out of it from the Radio. Neihaus almost had a heart attack.
Well, at least they battled back. Hope the first road trip goes well.
Sorry, tying run. Although, if Bloomquist scores, shouldn’t it count twice?
Thanks.
ichiro kind of pushed swisher over to become safe.
175. Ichiro bounced back to the pitcher, who, as pitchers do an amazing amount of the time, threw high to first and Ichiro was safe.
Ichiro lined one to the mound, Saarloos caught it (amazingly) and underhanded it to Swisher, but tossed it too high. Swisher jumped, Ichiro touched the bag just as he landed and they collided. Ichiro stepped towards second, but Swisher didn’t notice, and Ichiro got back to the bag before being tagged. It was crazy.
Street, sorry, don’t know where my head was.
Rainiers win Game 1, 9-0 … a combined one-hitter for Baek and Thomas Oldham.
Dobbs dingered twice … had a 3 3 3 3 box-score line.
it’s like I always said. “No good team doesn’t have Todd Sears on it. ” –David J Corcoran, 2004
Everett gave a great post-game interview: “I don’t give credit to pitchers.”
San Antonio beats Corpus Christi, 13-6:
 Michael Garciaparra and Bryan LaHair hit homers.
 Garciaparra, Jeff Clement, Wladimir Balentien, LaHair, Nelson and Osvaldo Navarro each had two hits.
Next thing you know, Everett decides he doesn’t believe in pitching.
you all can make fun of everett all you want. but you know he’s right.
Carl Everett’s theme song should be “You May Be Right” by Billy Joel:
“You may be right
I may be crazy
But it just may be a lunatic you’re looking for ….”
Come see the harder side of Sears ….
Todd Sears jacks a three-run dinger in the first inning of Game 2.
#85– I dunno, the M’s scout working on Harden formed such a good relationship with him that Rich took the scout seriously when he told him that a year at Juco would benefit him….
I’m just happy we didn’t leave the homestand on a no-hitter or perfecto, which was my fear after fri & sat.
btw, on the earlier subject of Hargrove pushing the baserunners, Hickey had this note over the weekend:
“THE IMPACT OF AGGRESSION: Ron Washington and Mike Hargrove have been around baseball most of their adult lives. Washington has watched Hargrove’s teams in Cleveland, Baltimore and now Seattle. One week into the 2006 season, Washington, Oakland’s third base coach, can see a measurable difference in Hargrove’s Mariners.
“This is the kind of team Mike had in Cleveland; they really try to take it to you,” Washington said before Friday’s game. “He’s got the young talent to do it with. “And now they’re playing with a lot of excitement, a lot of confidence. They play really good, solid defense; now we’ll have to see if they can handle the pressure of the season. But they look happy and excited. This is the kind of team Mike likes.”
Washington said Seattle’s willingness to make mistakes by pushing for the extra base reminds him a lot of Hargrove’s Cleveland teams of the mid-1990s. “Mike always did like the running game,” Washington said. “He had all those big boppers with Cleveland, but he liked to push it on the bases. He’s got some boppers here, too, but I’ll tell you he’s got some rabbits, too.”"
I didn’t see the interview of Everett. What did “I don’t give credit to pitchers” mean…I suck??? When, also, exactly is the club house leader in C Rex (Don’t know who penned that but I love it) kick in…exactly?
Dobbs has hit another HR in Game 2 … so far today, he’s 5-for-6 with 3 HRs, 5 runs and 4 RBIs.
Also:
 Francisco Cruceta: 4 4 0 0 2 4, 6 ground-ball outs, 1 fly-ball out
 Sean Green: 2 0 0 0 1 2, 4 ground-ball outs
 Morse and Hunter Brown, 2-3 each
gameday for AAA rocks, don’t it.
I would think “I don’t give credit to pitchers” means “If I have a bad day I take responsibility for it, I don’t give the credit to the pitcher”. What else would he mean?
OK, he’s said a lot of stupid things but I don’t think this is one of them. I think it’s the kind of thing a purported “clubhouse leader” should say.
it was a fabulous day in Tacoma folks, and only a measly 3212 people there to witness it. FIVE homeruns in that first (shutout) game of the doubleheader (2 by Dobbs, 1 by Morse, 1 by Bohn, 1 by Brown) and a really nice pitching performance by Baek, who Curto says has changed his mechanics…I’m hoping this new and improved Baek sticks aroundHe only faced 2 more batters than minimum thru his 5 innings pitched, walked 2 and gave up 1 double. Rivera went 2-3 in that game also, with hardhit balls to right and left (he missed a homerun to right by about 5′ height….) Sweet.
then, 2nd game, 6-0 with 2 more homeruns – another by Dobbs and a 3 run shot by Sears. And another excellent throw by Rob Johnson to end a stolen base attempt. Man, he’s got a quick release and some fine accuracy from what I’ve seen so far.
So Tacoma goes 4-0 to start off the season. But I still don’t know why Myers is coaching at 1B….
Carl after the game on the radio: “I refuse to give credit to the pitcher.” He kept repeating that as his answer to every question.
I wonder how long it’ll be before Bigotsaurus is benched.
But I still don’t know why Myers is coaching at 1B
I’d put my money on the fact that he’s waiting for the Short Season to start up in Everett.
#201: He’s now Carlby the Scrivener: “I prefer not to ….”
Blowers summed it up by saying that some players tip their hat, and some refuse to because it acts as a spur to their own game…