Game 11, Mariners at Red Sox

DMZ · April 14, 2006 at 3:22 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

LHP Jamie Moyer, who hasn’t pitched well at Fenway Park in… I can’t remember the last time he had a really good start in Fenway, versus RHP Curt Schilling.

Fenway’s one of those parks I really figured they might move the rotation to try and skip Jamie. It’s not just the Red Sox fielding good offenses — he gets shellacked here. You might as well have Jeff Harris (were he here) go out and take one for the team or something.

The team’s 5-5! 5-5! Of course, they started off last year 5-5 too. But the guys we were hoping would have good seasons (Lopez & Co) are doing really well. Beltre’s hitting is still broken, which is driving me crazy, but whatever.

Moyer in Fenway. Yeaaaagh.


223 Responses to “Game 11, Mariners at Red Sox”

  1. Oly Rainiers Fan on April 14th, 2006 7:10 pm

    #193. Perfect analogy.

  2. Mat on April 14th, 2006 7:11 pm

    You realize he’d be in the rotation if they had their druthers, right?

    Who’s stopping them? Aren’t “they” in charge of the team? It’s not like the Red Sox have no holes in their team that they couldn’t stand to trade a pitcher to get a position player in order to open up a spot in the rotation for Papelbon, if they were really so high on the Papelbon kool-aid.

  3. LB on April 14th, 2006 7:15 pm

    #202: There a several million things stopping them, which are the dollars they are paying to each starter. No one wanted to take Clement or Wells during the spring trading season or they would probably be gone. Except that… Foulke pretty much stunk all of last year, and this minimum wage kid has both the stones and the stuff to pitch in one run games out of the pen. For the Sox, this is good, but 200+ IP from the guy would be better.

  4. Dave in Palo Alto on April 14th, 2006 7:16 pm

    Beltre and Everett: the new bottom of the order.

  5. Mat on April 14th, 2006 7:18 pm

    There a several million things stopping them, which are the dollars they are paying to each starter.

    Two words: sunk cost.

  6. LB on April 14th, 2006 7:23 pm

    #205: The question was asked why the Red Sox didn’t make a trade to open up a rotation spot for Papelbon. The money means the players in question are tough to trade. The cost is not sunk for your trading partner. And in terms of what they’d be taking back in trade, the Sox are pretty deep in position players right now. (Which is good for them, since they are short a starting centerfielder and rightfielder right now.) There are 3 guys on the 40-man roster who could play 1B at the major league level in addition to the extra outfielders.

    But given the need out of the pen this year, it’s pretty clear that Papelbon is helping his team.

  7. Mat on April 14th, 2006 7:27 pm

    Okay LB, you said:

    For the Sox, this is good, but 200+ IP from the guy would be better.

    If they truly thought this was the case, they would put Papelbon in the rotation, regardless of what those starters are getting paid.

    As it is, I imagine the Red Sox front office has a copy of this year’s PECOTA projections, which say that Wells and Clement will be better than Papelbon this year. So I really doubt they are that high on getting Papelbon into the rotation. If they were, they would’ve done something about it.

  8. Typical Idiot Fan on April 14th, 2006 7:30 pm

    He also wouldn’t be as good there. But we’ve had this discussion before, and I have no desire to try to stop the kool-aid drinkers from repeating what they’ve been told.

    Sir! Yes Sir!

  9. LB on April 14th, 2006 7:34 pm

    Yes, I’m sure they have PECOTA, ZiPS, and proprietery projections for every player in baseball in the Sox front office.

    In fact, I think the statheads and even (gasp) the scouts in the Red Sox front office know their players better than I do and better than the projections from last year’s 39 IP (in MLB) and 28 IP (in AAA) do.

  10. Jim Thomsen on April 14th, 2006 7:52 pm
  11. Mr. Egaas on April 14th, 2006 7:58 pm

    Gerut has always been a bit of an enigma. This is just, weird.

  12. LB on April 14th, 2006 8:03 pm

    #210: It sounds a little like the Dotel situation last year:

    Doctors: You’re okay; you can pitch.

    Dotel: I want the TJ surgery now, please.

  13. Dave in Palo Alto on April 14th, 2006 8:06 pm

    Not that weird. As I read it, Jody thought he could beat a demotion with a trip to the DL.

  14. AMarshal2 on April 14th, 2006 9:02 pm

    “Good to have a thread remind me why Red Sox fans are my least favorite in baseball.”

    Generalize much? I give you credit for admitting to one bias.

  15. Dave on April 14th, 2006 9:06 pm

    Since when does preference = bias?

    Mint chocolate chip is my least favorite ice cream. Am I biased against it?

  16. AMarshal2 on April 14th, 2006 9:08 pm


    My take is that they like having lots of SP depth. They also tend to hold younger players back until they can make a fairly seemless transition. Kevin Youkilis has been shipped to Boston and back 100 times before getting a chance. Dustin Pedroia probably could have handled the starting job this year but they sent him back down to polish his game. Why not let Papelbon start in the pen? Also, he probably is the 6th best SP on the team at this point in time. Doesn’t mean they don’t believe he isn’t worthy of a shot.

  17. AMarshal2 on April 14th, 2006 9:19 pm

    “Two words: sunk cost.”

    That’s only valid if you have an equal replacement for Papelbon in the pen. They don’t. They do have a substitute for Papelbon in the 2006 roation…

  18. LB on April 14th, 2006 9:40 pm

    #216: Theo seems to like depth wherever he can get it. It’s why he had Petagine stashed in Pawtucket last year and why this year Stern, Mohr and Pena are backing up the starters in the outfield and why JT Snow and Hee Seop Choi are backing Youkilis up at 1st.

    Not having depth in the bullpen last year cost him the division title. A mediocre closer instead of a sucking Foulke would have meant at least one more game won.

  19. LB on April 15th, 2006 12:26 am

    “Jamie was great,” Carl Everett said. “Was Schilling great, too? I never credit pitchers. I make my living off pitchers. But Jamie was great, and he got squeezed a lot, too.”

    Does Carl not realize that Jamie is a pitcher?

  20. Gomez on April 15th, 2006 1:18 am

    Carl is more broken than Adrian, both mentally and baseball-wise.

    And Carl giving credit to Jamie is doubly hypocritical, because Carl doesn’t believe in dinosaurs either.

  21. Rain Delay on April 15th, 2006 9:13 am

    219- Well according to that quote you posted, he does realize that Moyer is a pitcher..

  22. westfried on April 15th, 2006 10:20 am


    I’m sorry. But this time you have gone too far.

    Mint Chocolate Chip is a favorite ice cream flavor to thousands. Nay, Millions. It has been a beloved staple for many cultures, so by disparaging the flavor, one can only assume you have a similar disdain for the peoples that relish it.

    I, for one, am outraged by your wanton disregard for their feelings.

    Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream, in its wondrous variety, ranges from that pale green right through light melon, all the way to New Jersey Radioactive Waste Neon Green. It is a veritable rainbow of greenness, symbolizing peace, love an harmony for all.

    Well, you can do what you want with us. But I’m not going to sit here and listen to you bad-mouth, the United States of America. Gentlemen!

    USS Mariner is a wonderful site, but it has taken a major, possibly irrevocable, hit in my esteem. I shall now be forced to take my ice-cream-buying dollar elsewhere. So there!

  23. David J. Corcoran on April 15th, 2006 7:25 pm

    Our boy Randy Winn and his noodle arm are starting in RF for SFO tonight.

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