Rainiers Game Thread – Doyle Fields!
Dave · May 16, 2006 at 11:10 am · Filed Under Mariners
Rainiers playing another early game today, and everyone’s favorite Aussie is going to be throwing his body around the right field area. This is the first game this year he’s playing defense. Someone pad the walls!
As always, listen to Curto here or watch it on Gameday here.
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I’m scared. I think this is going to be a two xanax day.
If Doyle’s on the field, and therefore risking injury, please explain why that field isn’t Safeco? Why is it that big leaguers come back from injury and step right in with the big club, but Doyle is still locked into the “prospect” category?
Some insight into why the Ms think Doyle should be running around in the outfield and not strictly a DH would be well appreciated…
Curto called Snelling a “big leaguer on rehab” in the radio broadcast.
Let’s just hope Baek surrenders only groundballs, and Doyle hits 5 HR, thus eliminating the need for him to run the bases of run to catch anything.
Okay, too late. Doyle caught a flyball on the first pitch.
Nice inning from Baek. 1 ground out, 1 fly out, 1 K, 7 pitches, 6 strikes.
And I tune in just as The Biscuit comes to the plate (did that the last time too). And Curto gives his on-base percentage. Has Rizzs ever used that term?
Good Eye! At-a-kid.
A walk! Yay!
“The first baserunner of the game…”
*cringe*
What is Doyle’s OBP? I see a .950 OPS.
Hit and run? NOOOO
WHAT?!?!?!? Brundage tried to HIT AND RUN WITH SNELLING?!?!?!?
Get him out of Tacoma.
All Curto said was “over .500″ and he was batting .400, so….
And of course with that walk it’s better now
After that first-inning walk, Snelling’s OBP: .550
Because Snelling is on the big league club’s 15-day DL, does he have to be recalled within a certain period of time?
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He has a 30 day rehab window, yes.
DMZ, what was your take on Michael Garciaparra?
And Dave, too.
He’s terrible, and it was one of the most indefensible draft picks in modern draft history.
So how did he drift up to Triple-A? Did Youngbauer get sent down or released? I can’t find the exact roster move.
Ismael Castro is back, so Garciaparra or Castro had to move up.
What do you guys think of Scott Seabol as high-end replacement-level talent? I think if he got 300-400 at-bats in the majors, he wouldn’t embarrass a team.
Damn
He is going to get out occasionally, folks. Let’s emotionally brace ourselves for less than perfection.
We can hope.
Damn, I know this has been covered several times on USSM, but Curto’s really, really good at what he does.
Yeah, maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll fill the Neihaus void when Ol’ Dave finally kicks.
“Some insight into why the Ms think Doyle should be running around in the outfield and not strictly a DH would be well appreciated…”
DMZ, do you have a take on this?
In general? He’s a good defensive corner outfielder. If he rakes and can play D, that’s worth a lot. Just hitting is worth less.
Now why he’s doing it now? I don’t know. It does seem early.
Jones seems to be crushing the ball.
Well, I’d rather have Curto replace Rizzs. Actually, believe it or not, I’d rather have Fairly replace Rizzs. He does a decent job of play by play without a lot of the other crap that Rizzs introduces, and it keeps him busy enough that he doesn’t go off on any stories or oddball pronouncements.
Man, Jones has some juice, doesn’t he?
Jeez, is his eye really that good?
Rick Rizzs is good at two things: 1) reminding us of “The Drive in ’95″, and 2) telling us the score, count, and player information that you’d find on the back of his baseball card.
I know it’s entirely unfair to compare anyone to Vin Scully, but, unlike Rizzs, Scully knows when to not talk. Whether on TV or radio, Scully will simply let long stretches of the game pass where you’re only hearing the buzz of the crowd or the cries of the peanut vendor. Rizzs, on the other hand, tells us the count is 2-1 about ten times, even though he’s doing TV and we can see on the freaking screen that it’s 2-1!
There’s no way Rizzs is leaving. He’d show up if they stopped paying him.
32. Thanks. That’s pretty much what I was thinking. I know he has or had a pretty major knee brace on that they were hoping to get him out of some point.
With Everett’s play of late, we might have a sell-high and perfect opportunity for Doyle to slot in at the DH. It would be great to break up the Mendoza Row in our order.
I just lost the audio feed….
Hasn’t Doyle been playing some outfield down in Peoria during his rehab? I thought I read something about that not too long ago..
37 – Ah, the master. Scully would let the silences go on forever. And he realized that the MORE important a moment the less he had to talk. That takes stones. The urge to speak is overwhelming, Rizz just isn’t up to stopping himself.
Bohn just replaced Doyle in RF. I have a bad feeliing about this…
Bohn just replaced Doyle in RF. I have a bad feeliing about this…
Curto said that Doyle was done with his rehab for the day. Therefore the replacement.
Nothing to worry about.
Pre-game, Curto mentioned that they were going to limit Doyle’s innings in the field, and to expect him out there for 5 or 6 innings.
So does Doyle stay in the lineup, or is he completely done for the day?
completely done
Damn.
Doyle’s line for the day:
.000/.667/.000
I’m happy with that.
How nice would the M’s lineup look with him sitting right in the middle of it?
“How nice would the M’s lineup look with him sitting right in the middle of it?”
Like Jessica Alba in a thong, Thingray, like Jessica Alba in a thong.
Is Doyle a 4-5 type hitter, or more of a 2-3 guy? If you can move Ichiro to center you could put Doyle in right to protect his health and bat him second. Or you could say goodbye to all Paleontologically challenged players on the team and make him your DH and bat him fifth or sixth.
I have a gut feeling that it’ll be Raul that’s gone in order to make room for Snelling.
A few teams are in dire need of a LH bat in LF, and he’s good and cheap at
… 3.5mil. Tell me the Yankees would love that to replace Matsui for the year.
Doyle in the M’s lineup = Jessica Alba in a thong…
Two things that make me very happy when I think about them!
I think he’d be tremendous in the 2 spot, but I’d rather see him at 5 driving in some runs. Ditch Everett before he reaches any incentives in his contract, and let Ibanez and Doyle share LF & DH.
Doyle in the M’s lineup = Jessica Alba in a thong…
Certainly much preferable to Jessica Alba in the lineup and Doyle in a thong.
Trading Ibanez would be a direct contradiction to the Mariners’ oft-stated “keeping faith with the fans” compact. He was given a generous two-year contract extension for a reason, and it wasn’t just that he’s been a decent offensive player.
The best hope, I think, is that the M’s come to their senses before Everett’s 2007 option vests, let him go or bench him, move Raul to DH and (at least) platoon Snelling in left.
56 – Thanks. I laughed so hard now my whole office is looking at me like I’m insane!
How nice would the M’s lineup look with him sitting right in the middle of it?
Better than it is now, but the problem is that the decision I’m afraid WILL be made is giving up on Reed.
I don’t think they would move their most consistent hitter (Ibanez) and the guy that they seem to have latched onto as the face of the franchise.
He’s the epitome of the image that the M’s want to project.
Jon Wells will give Jamie Moyer a lapdance before the Mariners trade Raul Ibanez.
The best hope, I think, is that the M’s come to their senses before Everett’s 2007 option vests, let him go or bench him
How exactly is it “keeping faith with the fans” to let your big offseason acquisition go on waivers while he’s leading the team in home runs?
If you assume Joe Fan is pretty oblivious to staheadism, this move is dumping a veteran who is producing right now for a player with an injury history a mile long, while the team’s a hot couple of weeks within first place in their division. Yes, I know, we know better than that…but still.
And that’s not even the message it sends to players. This isn’t Rich Aurilia being terrible here and justifiably deserving release. Everett is bang on his PECOTA numbers, doing what you could reasonably expect, maybe even a bit more.
Then that leaves Lawton.
Sadly, Everett is currently one of the best hitters on the team. I fear his option will vest.
So worst case scenario, Everett eventually takes Petagine’s role, and we can still have Ibanez and Doyle share DH and LF.
Mariners won’t pay 5 million for a bench bat. Nobody in their right mind would.
Yeah, I keep trying to forget how badly we overpaid for Everett.
Who was stoned when they put this roster together in the offseason?
Playing the Doyle interview as we speak on KJR.
I had beef with that interview for several reasons:
1) Too much talk by the KJR duders
2) Their praise of Willie Bloomquist
I missed it earlier..
He barely even has an accent anymore. Spent to much time in Arizona rehabbing I guess!
Amazing, they just referred to him as the Rainier’s centerfielder, and the M’s CF of the future..
For some odd reason, I thought Adam Jones was playing CF..
Personally I doubt Doyle has the defensive capability to play a solid center.
KJR is ran by idiots. In their opinion, Bloomquist should be out there over Reed day in and day out also.
Has Doyle ever even played CF? I thought he was a corner guy.
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I like how they started off the interview with some seriously inane comments/jokes about Australians, like referencing Outback Steakhouse and Foster’s, then ask Doyle: How tired are you of hearing this sort of garbage?
That and actually referencing WB as “Willie, our boy”
#62: Everett is NOT producing. Neither is most of the team on offense. It’s false reasoning to weight Everett against a bunch of underperformers and say that he’s producing simply because he’s got higher counting stats than the others. Relative to the American League, Carl Everett very objectively sucks. He’s killing the team every bit as much as Sexson and Beltre are.
I don’t think after all his leg injuries that CF is possible, plus I thought he has come up through the system primarily in left.
Besides, Reed needs to be given an honest chance to get it going.
Umm, Jim, .250/.342/.439 >>>>> .196/.270/.336 or .218/.297/.296
So, no, he’s not.
Okay, he’s just killing the team.
Look at the EqA numbers. The top three hitters on the team by EqA (minimum 50 PA) are:
.268 Willie
.267 Carl
.267 Raul
That’s pretty sad. Both that Willie is leading the team, and that the best hitters can’t even crack .270.
By comparison, NINE GUYS in Toronto best .270.
I don’t ever want to see the phrase “top three hitters” and “Willie” in the same statement again.
That’s just sad.
If Carl Everett is killing the M’s, then Phil Nevin is killing the Rangers, Frank Thomas is killing the A’s, Javy Lopez is killing the Orioles, Dmitri Young is killing the Tigers, Mike Sweeney is killing the Royals, and Rondell White is killing the Twins (well, yea, this is true).
Out of the 12 DH’s with at least 75 plate appearances, Everett’s 7th in VORP. That’s not killing the team.
Okay, he’s just killing the team.
No, he’s not.
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(2006 Mariner DH performance w/r/t league)
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(2005 Mariner DH performance w/r/t league)
I dislike the signing as much as the next guy (because it’s possibly going to make Hargrove and Bavasi screw up the roster decision once Doyle comes back), but Everett’s done everything that can reasonably be expected so far.
He’s sure not an All-Star, but we are getting what we thought we would. Maybe his average is lower than we thought it would be, but everything else is about what was projected here when he was signed.
#75: I know Crazy Carl isn’t a very likeable fella, but c’mon. He’s not hurting this team whatsoever.
Now if you want to ask who’s hurting us more, let’s start at 1B or our platoon in CF (where Grover needs to STOP platooning Reed with Bloomquist!). Reed deserves to battle through this or else we’ve wasted our time on this kid.
On the other hand, remember that his value is as a baseball player, not a china doll in a glass cabinet. You can’t go on protecting him; he’s going to have to be able to play ball at some point, which means exposing him to injury. Otherwise, what’s the point?
Sexson absolutely has to get it going, or else we’ll be in trouble. We need to have his power in the middle of the lineup.
Sorry for being pessimistic, but given Snelling’s history, how can we expect the guy to play a full season? He tore his ACL starting out of the batter’s box last year. If you were concerned about Sexson’s shoulder when we signed him in 2004, you have to be really concerned about Snelling…who, unlike Sexson, has a history of injuries to the area he injured.
But he’s free, so any production we get is a bpnus.
As long as he still shows he has his amazing hitting skills, you have to continue to give him a shot when he’s healthy. There have been plenty of players who have been bitten by the injury bug at some point in their career, but have still been very succesful.
I loved the guy from the very start…before he was Meyers’d so I really REALLY want to see him succeed. I guess I just hate to get my hopes up again.
Very cautious optimism. That’s the best way I can describe my feelings.
BTW — I was watching the game when he first injured his knee. And I was pissed at Meyers for the lousy base coaching job. I’m so right there with DMZ on this one.
I’m still waiting for Adrian Beltre to turn into that .290/25/95 hitter with .850 OPS we were promised 800 plate appearances ago…
85 – who is saying keep him in a glass cabinet? Did Edgar Martinez have no value after he stopped playing third?
Doyle has a lot of value as a DH. If his injury risk is lower there, and I don’t see how it couldn’t be, than why not take the safe route?
87 – are you intentionally flouting convention?
94 — practically everyone here — “oh no, he caught a ball” “oh no he’s running the bases” etc. When Edgar moved to DH people didn’t treat him like he was made of glass. But then, Edgar’s injury was caused not by fragility but a defective playing field in Vancouver…
I hate to relegate Doyle to being a “DH only” at such a young age. As someone said earlier, he has much more value if he plays in the field, and it gives us more options on how to use him.
94 — Guess I’m not superstitious. After all, using “Doyle” didn’t do jack squat the last time around.
He’s what, 24? Edgar (and really EVERY OTHER DH) was a heckuva lot older when they went to DH-ing full time as their gig. Personally, I think it’d be a shame for Doyle to only be a DH and doom him to that for his career from here on out. Because he’s got a pretty nice arm, and good instincts. Call me a fatalist, but if he’s going to get hurt again, running bases or tripping on his way to the on deck circle can happen too.
That first pitch of the game was hit right to him and he barely had to move. In the 3rd, he barely DID move and if Bohn or Jones had been out there, they probably would have gotten to it. Trust me, the kid was pretty darn cautious out there today.
Nice to see Tacoma score, finally, after 21 consecutive scoreless innings. Too bad they couldn’t pull off a win though. And yet, a great day to be at the ballpark, sitting in the sun, tossing down a couple Mike’s and a Red Hook instead of at work in my cubicle.
BTW, Doyle is now #24.
>Nice to see Tacoma score, finally, after 21 consecutive scoreless innings. Too bad they couldn’t pull off a win though. And yet, a great day to be at the ballpark, sitting in the sun, tossing down a couple Mike’s and a Red Hook instead of at work in my cubicle.
FWIW, the Edgar timetable:
1988 (age 25) final day of spring training he took a ground ball in the face, smashing the bridge of his nose. After the season had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. This was unrelated to the broken nose.
1990 missed the final five games of the season, finishing with a .302 average, and in the off-season had arthroscopic surgery to repair ligament damage in his right knee that had messed up his defense all season.
1992 (when he won the batting title) he had a bone spur in the shoulder that bothered him all year, requiring surgery which sidelined him for the final 19 games of that season.
1993 (age 30) partial tear of a left hamstring on the final day of spring training (playing on loose dirt up in Vancouver) & played in only 42 regular-season games. “I think part of the problem to begin with was I wasn’t in the condition I should have been when I came to Spring Training. I had some personal problems at home that winter. I remember that my legs were always sore that spring and I knew I needed more training before we went to Vancouver. I just remember being on first base and saw the hit-and-run sign. I felt a little tightness when I was coming off the base and about halfway to second, something snapped behind my knee.”
1994 spring training, Dennis Martinez hit him on the right wrist – an injury that bothered him for months. About the time he was healthy again, he was run into full-tilt by Marzy on a pop-up, causing cracked & bruised ribs. 1994 was the last year he played more games at 3B than DH (64 vs 23)
1997 pulled oblique, no DL time
2000 sore quads, no DL time
2001 sore quads; strained left hamstring in October, as reflected in his post-season hitting
2002 (age 39) ruptured left hamstring tendon, underwent an experimental surgery to remove a tendon. He missed 65 games that year, limped through most of the rest. The first year he was only a DH– from ’95-’01, he had played from 1-8 games at 1st base each year.
2003 slight strain of the left hamstring; in August fouled a pitch off his foot and broke his left big toe.
2004 fouled a ball off the big toe of his right foot in late Sept., just to remind him he’d made the right decision to retire.
Doyle’s value to me, scale of 1 to 10:
10 – Fields and hits.
9 – DH
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
0 – Hurt and can’t play at all.
If lowering him one notch REDUCES (not eliminates, obviously, no one is saying that) his risk of getting hurt… I’m for it.
Since I don’t have access to his medical reports and couldn’t read them if I did, I have to hope they know what they’re doing.
But I never once have thought to myself “Oh, if only Doyle were back up, I can’t wait to see him shagging flies!” But I’ve said “Oh good god, I want to see that kid hit again!” many, many times.
97 – I’m not superstition either… but it’s about respecting the convention here. Like not walking into a Baptist church and saying “Jesus sucks” instead of “Amen.”