Why are you at a terminal reading this?

DMZ · June 24, 2006 at 1:56 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

It’s beautiful! Get out and run around!

From the Times notebook:
– Guardado’s frustrated
– Everett has some odd views on Ozzie Guillen’s “fag” comment:

Everett believes that Mariotti should be held equally accountable for critical comments he makes in his guise as a columnist and television commentator.

“If you call me stupid, that’s derogatory,” he said. “Don’t just pick a certain word, because the world is sensitive to gay people. You call me stupid, you call me an idiot, people are sensitive to that.

“So don’t just single out a couple of words. You’ve got to take everything as a broad spectrum. You call a player stupid or ignorant, you just touched a subject you shouldn’t be touching. But they give you the right to say it because you’re media. Bull.”

Everett shared the enmity of his former manager toward Mariotti.

“Yeah, Ozzie talks a lot,” he said. “But at the same time, Jay Mariotti has a big mouth, too. If you want to tell people to be quiet, take his butt to sensitivity training.”

– some guy from some band I listened to a long time ago visited the clubhouse

In the PI notebook:
– Guardado again
– the players voted
– an abridged version of Everett’s opinions on the Guillen/Mariotti thing


49 Responses to “Why are you at a terminal reading this?”

  1. msb on June 24th, 2006 2:16 pm

    but it’s hot out there … it might be Africa hot, even!

    the Tribune has a note by Chaves on Felix’ outing the other day, as well as the little factoid: ‘Adrian Beltre leads the American League in runs scored this month. Beltre began the night batting .321 in June, with 21 runs scored, five home runs and 17 RBI’

  2. lylepdx on June 24th, 2006 2:33 pm

    i don’t get why this guardado story still seems to be popping up. you didn’t pitch well, the team’s trying to win, some other guy can do it much better than you now, welcome to major league baseball.

    on any other team it would seem like something that would be on people’s mind’s for about two seconds, or until the 7:05 first pitch.

  3. Mat on June 24th, 2006 2:39 pm

    on any other team it would seem like something that would be on people’s mind’s for about two seconds, or until the 7:05 first pitch.

    I disagree. Media people everywhere are fascinated with the closer role and what happens to deposed closers–especially when no one’s officially said that they aren’t the closer anymore. Without looking, I bet there have been just as many, if not many more, words written about Keith Foulke’s fate in Boston.

  4. lylepdx on June 24th, 2006 2:44 pm

    i guess it’s just boring to me. it’s so obvious that putz is the better option in every sense at this point. and it’s boring when the clear daylight of reality is put aside in favor of a story (in this case, one that’s being written about on a daily basis).

    maybe they could put aside this story next time and write a piece about one of our new draft picks adjusting to minor league ball, or something, anything that actually matters at this point.

  5. AQ on June 24th, 2006 2:46 pm

    I can understand Eddie being a tad upset, but he needs to quit venting about his situation to the press. He’s an old, broken-down, has-been of a pitcher. He should feel fortunate to be the 2nd lefty in the pen for any team at this point, as it is obvious that he’s lost what little effectiveness he had. There’s something about millionaires bitching about their job that really irks me.

  6. AQ on June 24th, 2006 2:51 pm

    And btw DMZ, you’re not a big GnR fan anymore? LOL! Actually, I thought I had read somewhere that GnR was going to make a new album and have it come out this fall/winter. I think Axl and one other guy are the only original members that are going to be on it, though.

  7. dw on June 24th, 2006 2:54 pm

    I was inside watching Mexico-Argentina. This blogging thing takes up a lot of time.

    I don’t understand what Everett is saying. Is he saying that Mariotti’s shtick and Guillen’s epithet are the same thing? What if Everett called Mariotti an idiot and Mariotti then called him an N-word?

    Certainly Mariotti is a goober, but he’s not the one running around calling people f*****s. And he’s not running out rookies telling them to drill the batter.

  8. scraps on June 24th, 2006 3:04 pm

    It’s thunderstorming here in I/d/a/h/o/ Brooklyn.

  9. Jim Thomsen on June 24th, 2006 3:34 pm

    I had a beautiful two-hour walk around the perimeter of downtown Gig Harbor this morning. Lots of beautiful women, baby strollers, Bichon Frises and bobbing sailboat masts.

    Now I’m at work.

    I think I’m on Guillen’s side in this controversy.

    And #6 … all you is need is just a little patience (and bonus points if you can do the Axl dance from that video).

  10. AQ on June 24th, 2006 3:46 pm

    #9 – LOL! I wouldn’t admit to being able to do the Axl Rose dance under any circumstances. But, I will admit to doing a mean Running Man back in the day. 🙂

  11. Dr. Johan on June 24th, 2006 4:07 pm

    People need to quit hating on Ozzie Guillen.

  12. Lauren, token chick on June 24th, 2006 4:11 pm

    Whoa, Jim… really?

  13. JMB on June 24th, 2006 4:14 pm

    If may I get back to last night’s game — this is on topic since “How the runs scored” is in the Times notebook — I don’t blame Mateo. He went a week without pitching, and now has worked FOUR straight games. What’s up with that, Hargrove?

  14. David J. Corcoran I on June 24th, 2006 4:24 pm

    Idaho is a banned word now? Ha!

  15. David J. Corcoran I on June 24th, 2006 4:24 pm

    Never mind. … It’s a bright sunny day here too. I can’t wait to get drunk.

  16. Jim Thomsen on June 24th, 2006 4:33 pm

    Yup. Guillen did nothing wrong as I see it … but he was PERCEIVED to have done something wrong. HUGE difference. His explanation of what the “f-word” means makes perfect sense to me.

    It’s funny. The media wishes sports figures would stop spouting cliches and inanities … but as soon as they do, they get pounced upon by the media. I like that Guillen is one of the few people completely willing to be himself in public.

  17. David J. Corcoran I on June 24th, 2006 4:41 pm

    As far as Everett, he is entirely correct. The media will always side with the media to blow things out of proportion.

  18. aajoe7 on June 24th, 2006 4:57 pm

    I wonder what Everett would have said if Guillen commented about dinosaurs?

  19. terry on June 24th, 2006 4:57 pm

    andrew miller isnt missing many bats tonight…..

  20. terry on June 24th, 2006 5:09 pm

    i’d be happy if all sports reporters were fired and the paper just printed box scores… No actaully, sports writers should be made to just be sports reporters,,,,,, nothing is more useless than a sports editorial….

    i get all of the editorialiing I need from blogs and ya know what, I actaully learn stuff from reading blogs.

    If I want to be *entertained*, ill just spend time with my kids….

  21. terry on June 24th, 2006 5:13 pm

    Boy Andrew Miller is AWESOME

  22. pensive on June 24th, 2006 5:23 pm

    Hey that A. Miller looks not as potentially as good as Mariner’s choice. Brandon Morrow. Then again Andrew Miller is pitching in the College World Series.

    No one met in person Corcoran during three day visit? He must be an illusion.

  23. JMB on June 24th, 2006 5:26 pm


    what’s your issue?

  24. Coach Owens on June 24th, 2006 6:02 pm

    I’ve said before, and I’ll say it again. Claim Alfonseca of waivers from Texas! he is a decent to pretty good pitcher. The only reason he’s doing bad is because of Ameriquest Park.

  25. Jim Thomsen on June 24th, 2006 6:04 pm

    And we need all the extra digits we can get from our pitchers.

  26. pensive on June 24th, 2006 6:41 pm

    Using a Powerbook as well. Wonder how JMB feels about the new pentium based Powerbook? Thanks

  27. John in L.A. on June 24th, 2006 6:46 pm

    I’m a little surprised that anyone bought into Guillen’s line of bull.

    Makes me a little sad that people think that’s ok. Do I think anyone should do anything about it? MLB or the White Sox? No. But I think it’s a little sad that someone would actually say “I’m on Guillen’s side on this.”

    I think DW had it right. There is a difference, Carl, between insults like “stupid” and bigoted slurs. Sadly, Carl, you wouldn’t understand. Because, of course, you’re stupid.

  28. JMB on June 24th, 2006 6:50 pm

    Powerbook’s a bit too much $$ for me, pensive.

    After the initial adjustment period (I’ve been a PC guy for 15 years), I’m loving my MacBook.

  29. Martino on June 24th, 2006 6:51 pm

    I’m with John in LA on this. It’s one thing when Guillen drops a bunch of profanity, slams the press, slams his players (I’ve actually kind of enjoyed some of his rants in the past), but when he starts throwing around hateful slurs that goes beyond perception of doing wrong.

  30. pensive on June 24th, 2006 6:57 pm

    Thankyou JMB. I wasn’t aware the MacBook has intel. Apple moving fast.

  31. Jim Thomsen on June 24th, 2006 7:01 pm

    But is it a “hateful slur” when it wasn’t intended to be one? Guillen was attacking Mariotti’s integrity, not addressing his sexual preference. What he said was impolitic, to be sure. And I would be agreeing with you if Guillen had intended to say that Mariotti was a homosexual and somehow less of a person for being one … but I believe Guillen when he says that the “f-word” means something entirely different to him than it may to you and me. Let’s not get so deer-in-the-headlights over the choice of words to the extent that we don’t really hear what was actually being said.

  32. pensive on June 24th, 2006 7:02 pm

    I am normally with John in LA but this reminds of the simple lesson my Mom atempted to teach me. “Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.”

  33. bookbook on June 24th, 2006 7:11 pm

    Yes. And “N—–” means something entirely different to me than it does to you or to him. Yet, if I use that word to slam someone, I’m perpetrating a vile act of racism against a large group of people (not just the one person I’m referring to), whatever the rosy intent behind my choice of slurs.

    Ozzie screwed up, bigtime. He needs to apologize, tuck his tail between his legs, and get out of the spotlight to let the moment pass.

    There’s no neutral or positive way to spin what he said. [standard disclaimer: this doesn’t mean Ozzie’s an evil person. He said a bad and hurtful thing. Good people make big, bad mistakes.]]

  34. Martino on June 24th, 2006 7:12 pm

    31 – Jim, you’re one of my favorite posters here, but I think you’re off on this one. I don’t buy for a second Guillen’s explanation that “the f-word” means something different to him. Give me a break. He’s been in major league clubhouses for 20 some years. You think he doesn’t understand what that word means and the implication it has in this country? Mariotti is one of the most obnoxious personalities in the media and I have no problem with Guillen dressing him down in public, but that doesn’t justify throwing around slurs like that. I get sick of an overly PC culture, but there are limits. However, I will concede if you write a Steve Kelly on Ozzie Guillen column 🙂

  35. Jim Thomsen on June 24th, 2006 7:18 pm

    So I can bribe my way into being correct?

  36. Martino on June 24th, 2006 7:23 pm

    Fake Steve Kelly columns are worth compromising my integrity.

  37. Lauren, token chick on June 24th, 2006 7:29 pm

    Yeah, I’m with Martino. Er, not with regards to the bribery, but with regards to the meaning. I find the idea that a word that means “gay person” is used to mean “cowardly” almost worse than the original. It’s like saying someone “jewed” someone else–oh, I didn’t mean I thought they WERE Jewish. Just that they were cheap, see!

  38. scraps on June 24th, 2006 7:31 pm

    In the first place, intent is not everything. Even if Ozzie intended only to say “coward” and not to use a bigoted slur, he’s taking no real responsibility for what he said.

    In the second place, Ozzie has been in American baseball for a couple of decades; he has been hearing athletes throw slurs around, and colloquial English, that entire time. You seriously believe he doesn’t know what “fag” means in the U.S.??

    Ozzie is a popoff. That’s entertaining, but sometimes he’s an asshole. It does no harm I can see to point out that he’s being an asshole. It’s not like he’s going to be hounded out of baseball for this. He got a fine. Big fat hairy deal.

  39. scraps on June 24th, 2006 7:32 pm

    I agree with Lauren, as well.

  40. Paul B on June 24th, 2006 7:40 pm

    Ozzie is going to self implode as a manager, within a year or two he’ll be gone.

    Sort of a cross between Bowa and Martin.

  41. John in L.A. on June 24th, 2006 7:57 pm

    Jim is one of my favorites, too.

    Again, I’m not for sanctioning the guy on some official level… I’m just not going to support it.

    To me it’s an “Uncool, Ozzie, uncool.”

  42. terry on June 24th, 2006 8:44 pm

    #23: energy policy and on the ball field, defense

  43. Matthew Carruth on June 24th, 2006 10:55 pm

    “In the second place, Ozzie has been in American baseball for a couple of decades; he has been hearing athletes throw slurs around, and colloquial English, that entire time. You seriously believe he doesn’t know what “fag” means in the U.S.??”

    Actually, I took this exactly the opposite way.

    To me, based on my expierences, the word fag doesn’t really carry the connection to homosexuality that it used to. Its just a general derisive word. I assume clubhouses, known for their immaturity, are exactly the same way. I absolutely buy that someone who picks up their English from baseball and “the streets” would view the word fag as an insult first and a reference to homosexuals second.

  44. Martino on June 24th, 2006 11:34 pm

    43 – I don’t care if he views it as a generic insult first or as a British cigarette first, he’s got to know better than to throw that word out in the media, because despite what he might say he knows all the meanings of that word. There are a lot of things said in major league clubhouse that a manager should be smart enough not to repeat to a bunch of reporters.

    I agree with other here who say it’s not worthy of supspension, but If he’s going to throw around crap like that he deserves to get beat up in the media.

  45. lylepdx on June 25th, 2006 1:03 am

    i don’t know the general timbre of people most posters in here surround themselves with, but using ‘faggot’ as an insult (sexual or not) is something i left behind when i was in high school. and basically, if i’m hanging around someone or am in any way trying to decide if i think they’re okay, and they use that word, it’s pretty much downhill from there. seriously, does anybody really think this is a positive or decent thing to be calling someone? or ask yourself what you’d think if you’re sitting around having a beer with your dad, talking about your lame boss/teacher/etc., and he jumps out and calls him a ‘faggot’. i feel sorry for you if you think it would be par for the course.
    it’s just lame to me, regardless. i’m even willing to buy that guillen doesn’t get it, doesn’t get that basically any homosexual in this country would feel terrible hearing it in any context, etc etc blah blah blah.
    but it’s like a common decency thing to me, apart from truly how insulting you think the term is or whether you’re commenting on someone’s sexuality or not.
    the world, the way people feel about what is common decency and behavior, really is much bigger and more complicated than anybody’s one sole opinion about it, even if you just coached a team to the world series.
    have the guts to realize that you don’t have it all figured out.

  46. darrylzero on June 25th, 2006 11:01 am

    I liked King Kaufman’s take on all this over at Salon.com:


    And I agree that there is absolutely no way Guillen wasn’t completely aware of the general usage. I’m in Colombia now, which admittedly is not Venezuela, but it is right next door. One of the most common insults here is “marica,” which means, you guessed it, gay. And I’m pretty sure it’s not Colombia-specific slang. If Guillen hasn’t been informed a million times over the course of his career that marica in English is faggot, count me very, very surprised.

  47. Christopher on June 25th, 2006 11:56 am

    Its more about the media trying to find whatever they can to cause a stir. I’ve never met a gay guy who was affended by the word “fag”. Its just another of a long line of words they hear people say all the time that all mean homosexuality. Although I do agree that it was something I stopped using after highschool; it was used quite a bit in the locker room when people were being stupid.

    Was it smart to say it in a place where the media could pounce? No. Did he actually intend it for the meaning of homosexuality? No. And its nowhere near the negative symbol that the N word is. Not even close.

  48. Matthew Carruth on June 25th, 2006 4:03 pm

    I find a big difference between the words fag and faggot.

    “seriously, does anybody really think this is a positive or decent thing to be calling someone?”

    What kind of question is that? Of course it’s not! It’s MEANT to be an insult. Do you think idiot is a positive or decent thing to be calling someone?

  49. Evan on June 26th, 2006 1:58 pm

    Why are you at a terminal reading this? It’s beautiful! Get out and run around!

    I hate the summer, Derek. It’s too hot, and it’s too bright, and I want winter back.

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