Game 81, Rockies at Mariners

DMZ · June 30, 2006 at 6:04 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

RHP Josh Fogg v LHP Jamie Moyer.

The team returns home over .500, and what a great day for it. I’m tempted to hop on a bus and head on in. I’m curious to see if the M’s start to see walk-up ticket sales pick up now that they’re in the hunt.

I’m still a little hungover from last night, so if everyone could try and type quietly, that would help out a lot.

Everett returns to the lineup. We may see if the team’s recent tear was due to losing the DH.


346 Responses to “Game 81, Rockies at Mariners”

  1. Ed on June 30th, 2006 9:00 pm

    Oh well. Every team plays like junk sometimes. I’ll start worrying again if they look this bad a week from now.

  2. Evan R. on June 30th, 2006 9:01 pm

    By 4.84 ERA, did Krueger mean 5.08 ERA?

  3. pablothegreat on June 30th, 2006 9:01 pm

    Since the game is over I can watch John Rocker on “Quite Frankly with Stephen A. Smith.” I am going to be retarded at the end of this interview.

  4. Dave in Palo Alto on June 30th, 2006 9:02 pm

    Josh Fogg turned the Mariners into the Mantoers. Scary.

  5. Mere Tantalisers on June 30th, 2006 9:03 pm

    I bet Rocker also has a hard time explaining baseball to someone from a foreign country

  6. IdahoInvader on June 30th, 2006 9:04 pm


    Summed it up perfectly

    Fwiw, a contending team would be embarrased by what happened tonight.

  7. Des71 on June 30th, 2006 9:04 pm

    300. My expectations concerning Morse are minimal.

    303. John Rocker and Stephen A. Smith together. Man that’s obnoxious!

  8. Ed on June 30th, 2006 9:05 pm

    305: Probably because he never willingly comes within speaking distance of them.

  9. argh on June 30th, 2006 9:06 pm

    “Asdrubal? Did his mother hate him or something?” I love Angie (as is obvious I suppose).

  10. mickysfriend on June 30th, 2006 9:06 pm

    Greetings from England.

    Let’s join the National League!!! What the hell was that all about? This team has more up’s and down’s than a yo-yo.

    Glad to see Sexson pulled his weight again though.

    Love you all

  11. DMZ on June 30th, 2006 9:09 pm

    I don’t think they use apostrophes for plurals in England.

  12. argh on June 30th, 2006 9:10 pm

    Apparently some places they do.

  13. mickysfriend on June 30th, 2006 9:13 pm

    Ok guys it’s 5:15 in the morning and I’m tired.

  14. Rumpelstiltskin on June 30th, 2006 9:14 pm

    I fell asleep. What happened?

  15. Dave in Palo Alto on June 30th, 2006 9:20 pm

    He’s from the part of England where they don’t read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.

    By the way, leaving on led to some funky feeds from the postgame show.

  16. Ed on June 30th, 2006 9:22 pm

    Let’s end this thread the way it started. Fogg Stinks?

  17. Ed on June 30th, 2006 9:26 pm

    316: So is the other Ed finally posting at the same time I am, or am I seeing things?

  18. Jim Thomsen on June 30th, 2006 9:27 pm

    There’s a good story to be written about all the mediocre pitchers who have mesmerized the M’s over the past few years. I might be motivated to do all the research on that for my column.

    The problem is … what conclusions can you draw from it?

  19. DMZ on June 30th, 2006 9:39 pm

    Hopefully, “this topic allowed me to fill x column inches”

  20. pablothegreat on June 30th, 2006 9:41 pm

    The John Rocker-Stephen A. Smith interview is over and I am just now able to grasp the high level of discourse acheived throughout the interview. Some highlights:

    Rocker believes in a Hobbesian state of nature, whereas Smith prefers Rousseau’s version.

    Rocker thinks that the war in Iraq is good because liberal regimes rarely go to war with one another. Smith believes that the war has a negative effect on the balance of power in the Middle East.

    Both agreed that they are massive tools.

  21. Coach Owens on June 30th, 2006 9:42 pm

    Great now the Mariners have their two worst starters starting the next two games, Pineiro and Washburn.

  22. Jim Thomsen on June 30th, 2006 9:43 pm

    Good news from Tacoma:

    — Choo: 5 3 4 3
    — Doyle: 4 0 3 3
    — Cruceta: 7 4 3 3 2 11

  23. Alex W. on June 30th, 2006 9:45 pm

    Oh man, I think I’m glad that I took that nap instead of watching the game. And pablo, how could you have honestly watched that? Steven A. is like the worst sports show guy ever.

  24. Martino on June 30th, 2006 9:46 pm

    No disposable income to go to M’s games this year but I lucked into some freebies right behind the third base dugout tonight. Perfect night for baseball. Then this. Feh.

    Had to laugh, though, when I get home to check out the game thread and see this from Mr Thomsen in the 1 slot:

    “Fogg stinks. He’s a soggy-ball pitcher who doesn’t strike out many people, walks almost as many as he Ks, and has a 5.24 xFIP. He’s just a 40 percent groundballer. I see about nine runs from the Mariners tonight. I’ll go with 9-3, Seattle.”


  25. pablothegreat on June 30th, 2006 9:48 pm

    323: I didn’t. Post 320 is fiction. All of it.

  26. pablothegreat on June 30th, 2006 9:53 pm

    Actually, since I didn’t watch it, I suppose Smith and Rocker could have talked about all those things, but I doubt it.

  27. msb on June 30th, 2006 9:57 pm

    #319– ah, the Jim Moore School of Journalism…

    so, I see the one benefit of being at the game was missing Hendu…

    what else…

    Angie Arlati prob. changed her name to Mentink as Arlati was her previous married name….

    ah, Josh Fogg. and it really helped the frustration of watching in the later inning to listen to Dave tell us that he had no previous shut-outs, only one complete game, usually gives up lotsa runs this year (leading to my favorite Neihaus line tonight: “traditionally he gives up 5 runs per game … when is he going to start?!?”

  28. prospect21 on June 30th, 2006 10:38 pm

    I blame this loss totally on Dave Henderson and El Guapo. Dave starts off by saying we should score some runs tonight against Fogg. Well we didn’t and than he flip flops in the 6th and says he expected this with the ERA the Rockies have over the last few weeks. Cant Stand Hendu. Plus, Why not Dave Valle? We were on a roll with him. I would like to see our record with Hendu broadcasting. And Guardado is too blame just because, he probally kept everyone up last night playing some pranks on guys in the plane while they were trying to sleep. Dang that Guardado. I vote for no more HENDU!

  29. davepaisley on June 30th, 2006 10:50 pm

    #327, I see your point re: Angie

    Hmmm, Angie Marzetta (still better than Mentink, but at least those monogrammed towels still work – and who wants the initials AA anyway?)

  30. manny ortez on July 1st, 2006 12:18 am

    Hey guys, I have been reading the site for a while but just decided to register today. I was at the game today and it was pretty weird. Fogg’s line, if I remember right, was 9 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk and 1 K, all on about 90 pitches. I thought it was an atrocious decision to let Reed swing the bat on 3-1 grounding into a double play and then again not pinch hit for him in the bottom of the 9th.

    My question is this. I keep hearing about Hargrove’s unwillingness to use the bench. Does anyone know of any data to support this or is it more of an overall, holistic, subjective impression kind of thing? I imagine that people don’t really keep stats on managers’ use of pinch hitters, but it seems weird to me that Hargrove is such a passive manager with regard to pinch hitting and making substitutions, and yet so (over)active with regard to Aggressive Baserunning. Anyway, that’s my rookie question and/or 2 cents.

    I’ll be in the corner waiting to be hit over the head with arcane statistics… /ducks a wildly thrown xFIP

  31. thehiddentrack on July 1st, 2006 1:33 am

    All I know is Pineiro would probably no hit the Mariners.

    They can hit Peavy, Schimdt, etc…but not guys who throw slow breaking balls and lots of strikes.

    I think when they see the hard throwers they go with the pitches more…and when they face these mediocre pitchers they TRY to hit doubles and home runs.

    I can’t figure it out.

  32. phil333 on July 1st, 2006 6:47 am

    #330 – No one has done any stats on it (or at least I don’t know of any), but it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t use the bench. Look how long Petagine went without an AB.

  33. msb on July 1st, 2006 7:53 am

    including last night in the 9th….

  34. Josh on July 1st, 2006 12:06 pm

    Of course, when Hargrove got to play with his new toy (double switch) Lopez and Beltre were pulled from the same game just to avoid the pitcher’s spot in the lineup. I’m not a mathematician but I’d have to say that losing offense and defense (especially in a close game) covers for more than the slight gain had by electing to avoid the pitcher’s spot instead of pinch hitting for the pitcher.

    Obviously certain situations would beg other actions, but to pull out star players (one of whom was getting into his “tear” of the last year and a half) and to replace them with mediocre subs is laughable, or it would be if it weren’t so patheticly moronic.

  35. Karen on July 1st, 2006 12:08 pm

    Thehiddentrack said: “I think when they see the hard throwers they go with the pitches more…and when they face these mediocre pitchers they TRY to hit doubles and home runs.”
    Bill Krueger’s theory last night for why the M’s didn’t pound Josh Fogg was that the M’s flew home after the late game Thursday and they were tired. Plausible, but not probable.

    That doesn’t explain why they only looked at 91 pitches (including a BB and a K) over 9 innings, barely letting Jamie Moyer wipe the sweat off his brow before he had to go out and pitch again.

    Where were our coaches and manager? After 4 or more innings of watching the guys swing at the first pitch for an out, isn’t it their JOB to say “take a couple of pitches why don’t you?” just to remind the hitters they’re home now, they don’t have a plane to catch….? Or did all this happen so fast (1 hr. 52 min) that the manager and coaches didn’t realize what was happening until the game was over?


  36. John D. on July 1st, 2006 12:34 pm

    SEXY RICHIE – Someone predicted a while back that one of our broadcasters–with their penchant of adding the ee sound to the end of a player’s name–would eventually call SEXSON, SEXY.
    Well, it’s happened. The last two nights, on the radio broadcst, DAVE NIEHAUS said, “Here comes Sexy.”
    (First the double-switch; now this.)
    Armageddon is just around the corner.

  37. manny ortez on July 1st, 2006 1:56 pm

    I refuse to call him Sexy until he starts batting at least .240.

  38. pablothegreat on July 1st, 2006 2:39 pm

    I don’t know if anyone is still reading this thread, but if you are, you may want to take a look at the box score of this afternoon’s ARI@OAK game.

  39. davepaisley on July 1st, 2006 2:47 pm

    #336 – where have you been? They’ve been doing that pretty much since he got here.

  40. marinerme55iah on July 1st, 2006 2:54 pm

    #338- Ive been watching the box score also…right about now i wish i bought the MLB package damnit

  41. pablothegreat on July 1st, 2006 2:56 pm

    340: All the games are blacked out while FOX does broadcasts, so it wouldn’t matter.

  42. pablothegreat on July 1st, 2006 2:57 pm

    Frank Thomas just hit a home run after a walk. Miguel Batista’s perfect game, ho-hitter, and shut out are over.

  43. marinerme55iah on July 1st, 2006 2:58 pm

    NOOOOOOOOO!!! Thats too bad with one swing of the bat the no hitters gone and so is the shutout…I hate you Frank Thomas

  44. Jim Thomsen on July 1st, 2006 3:42 pm

    #337: I refuse to cally him “Sexy” until I “switch teams.”

  45. msb on July 1st, 2006 3:45 pm

    #339– they’ve been doing that since Charlie Manuel dubbed Richie that back in the Cleveland days….

  46. Josh on July 1st, 2006 3:52 pm

    So, this is what the A’s do against the team the Mariners just swept in grand fashion. Oh, and the A’s are at home for this. Their pitching is awful today, and their offense, redefining the word pathetic (granted, right after the M’s redefined it last night).

    Go D’backs! 🙂

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