Game 83, Rockies at Mariners

DMZ · July 2, 2006 at 12:38 pm · Filed Under Game Threads 

RHP Jennings v LHP Washburn. 1:05.

Day game after a night game means Johjima’s got the day off. Rivera plays, bats 8th (!) ahead of Betancourt (I sort of see the logic… you get a Betancourt-Ichiro turnover at the bottom, and yet…)

If Arizona can beat Oakland today (Webb v Zito) and the M’s win, well.. I don’t want to say anything.


497 Responses to “Game 83, Rockies at Mariners”

  1. IdahoInvader on July 2nd, 2006 4:41 pm

    13 men left on base

    2 different innings with chances for a simple sac fly to get a run

    NO hits with RISP

    Hargrove not using Eddie Perez…priceless (now where is my barfbag?)

  2. Josh on July 2nd, 2006 4:43 pm

    You also have to thank PiñAAAro for wasting Woods last night. Would have been a great option compared to Eddie an could have lasted deeper should the game have gone on a few more innings.

  3. IndieSnob on July 2nd, 2006 4:43 pm

    I see it’s Palmolive time for someone on this board. Tsk.

  4. Typical Idiot Fan on July 2nd, 2006 4:44 pm

    When appropriate, swearing is a great way of making a point.

  5. IndieSnob on July 2nd, 2006 4:45 pm

    Oh I know. Shhh, but I’m secretly a paid employee of the makers of Palmolive. My hands are so perty after doing dishes!

  6. Nick in Taiwan on July 2nd, 2006 4:46 pm

    beat the drum hargrove must go

  7. IdahoInvader on July 2nd, 2006 4:47 pm

    I guarantee, you won’t hear one word of how bad Hargrove managed tonight from the alleged “analysts” on either the radio or FSN.

    Which is ironic since that’s their entire job description

  8. seahawkfan11 on July 2nd, 2006 4:48 pm

    What is up with Reed in center? Take control and catch the ball. Twice now in 2 days he has not look like himself. But I place this one squarely on Hargrove for letting Washburn go out for the 8th. We have good arms in the pen and there was no use in letting him start problems. Then leave it to Eddy to blow it. Damn it I thought we had this thing turned around and hope Hargrove will use his head more so we can stay in this in the 2nd half.

  9. scraps on July 2nd, 2006 4:49 pm

    How can they leave Hafner off this year? That is insane.

  10. Rick L on July 2nd, 2006 4:50 pm

    Hargrove just said Soriano wasn’t available today and he would rather not say why.

  11. IdahoInvader on July 2nd, 2006 4:51 pm

    If he HAD to use Eddie, why not use him against Helton in the 8th, so the disaster didn’t get started in the first place?

    Granted, if Sexson fields a bunt, the whole thing might be a moot point.

    Raul needs to hit a fly with the sacks jammed and Perez needs these crucial at bats vs lefties


  12. Rick L on July 2nd, 2006 4:51 pm

    Apparently Rafael won’t be available tomorrow either.

  13. Rick L on July 2nd, 2006 4:52 pm

    So do they bring up Doyle to fill in for Reed?

  14. Josh on July 2nd, 2006 4:54 pm

    I wonder if Soriano was also “unavailable” yesterday.

    Seriously, we need to add a plank here on the U.S.S. Mariner, with the reservation that it must be short, and Hargrove must be the first to walk off it, followed by PiñAAAro, followed by Eddie, followed by Everett.

    Actually, Hendu can go first.

    Let the procession begin!

  15. scraps on July 2nd, 2006 4:54 pm

    I think Hargrove is going to be the lead weight that sinks the Mariners, and Bavasi. I know managers don’t mean that much, but Hargrove truly has lost the Mariners several games not by guessing badly but by being stupid. The Mariners have to play awfully well to overcome him.

  16. IdahoInvader on July 2nd, 2006 4:55 pm

    Replacing Reed’s bat will be hard. Who else can we find that literally can’t get a hit off of a lefty and is horrific with RISP?

  17. Rick L on July 2nd, 2006 4:56 pm

    464. Yes, he said that too.

  18. Philkensebben on July 2nd, 2006 4:56 pm

    To be fair, if Reed didnt drop that ball, Eddie did an Ok job. I Nominate Joey Cora to be the new manager.

  19. Josh on July 2nd, 2006 5:07 pm

    I think Hargrove is going to be the lead weight that sinks the Mariners, and Bavasi. I know managers don’t mean that much, but Hargrove truly has lost the Mariners several games not by guessing badly but by being stupid. The Mariners have to play awfully well to overcome him.

    You’re right, they had to play exceptionally well to go 1-2 in this series. Possibly the worst-managed (or at least most affected by worst managing) since the Twins series earlier, and it may even beat that.

  20. dw on July 2nd, 2006 5:18 pm

    In I fully expect this comment to be deleted news, Ichiro voted to the all-star team, Lopez selected as replacement for Cano.

  21. Josh on July 2nd, 2006 5:19 pm

    Pulled off of the Mariners’ MLB site, and not good news if it’s really the mindset:

    Chaves watched carefully on Saturday as Pineiro went through his warmups in the bullpen. Chaves was impressed by what he saw.

    Then the game started, and even though Pineiro exited in the third inning — he allowed seven earned runs on nine hits — Chaves still liked the starter’s stuff.

    He just didn’t like the results.

    “I thought, stuff-wise, it might have been the best he’s been all year,” Chaves said. “For me, that’s what’s so intriguing. I see the stuff . … We have just got to put it all together.”

    The problem with Pineiro on Saturday, according to Chaves, was that his arm felt good and his stuff was so sharp early that he went out and tried to overpower hitters. When he left too many fastballs up in the strike zone — especially with two outs, when he was close to getting out of an inning — the Rockies made him pay.

    “One of the lessons that came out of that was when you feel strong and you’re throwing well, you need to take a deep breath and step back away from it a little,” Hargrove said.

    Pineiro, who is 6-7 with a 5.88 ERA, has allowed four or more runs in four of his last five starts.

    “He’s important to us,” Chaves said. “We’ll continue to work and search to find a reason why this is happening.”

  22. Josh on July 2nd, 2006 5:24 pm

    There was nothing good about his stuff. If he had good stuff he would have been missing bats, not giving up should-be homers and laced, hammered singles.

    Looks like the first excuse to keep him on board.

  23. msb on July 2nd, 2006 5:25 pm

    #436– um, he broke his thumb.

    man, that was a frustrating day at the ballpark, and (not saying anything anyone else hasn;t said) the loss goes to Hargrove who out-managed himself. Sending the runner on a short ball to right, sending Washburn out again, not pulling Washburn, not sending JJ out in the 1oth, substituting Eddie in the middle of an inning after another righty, not pinchhitting Joh for Rene, not PH-ing Perez for Everett… etc etc etc

  24. Bodhizefa on July 2nd, 2006 5:31 pm

    I’d like to A) hear some nominations and reasoning for who the worst managers in baseball are, B) hear where Hargrove fits in that mix and why (not that I disagree… I’m just curious as to all the reasons), and C) hear some semblance of a quantification of how many Runs he’s gained and lost for us this year with his maneuvers. It’s a longterm project, but it’s one I would think would be quite useful and very USSM-like.

  25. Karen on July 2nd, 2006 5:44 pm

    #460 and #462: Somebody must have told the manager he’s an idiot…

  26. msb on July 2nd, 2006 5:51 pm

    #104– FWIW, there is a piece by a media columnist in NY saying that Justice was told by the YES brass to come down hard on Alex

    Jose is very happy about being chosen (and voted in 2nd by the players has to be great too) to the All Star Game– he said that when he found out, all the guys came up to shake his hand, and he got a little teary– he then ran through a list of everyone he thought had helped him to have the year he had this year. It was very odd when Hargrove was asked about Sori– the way he said he wasn’t available, and that he’d “rather not say why”

    caught the tail end of Drayer saying that someone’s back (poss. Sean Green’s) locked up when he went into the clubhouse, and he had to have two trainers take him into the training room.

    so, Felix vs Jared Weaver tomorrow…

  27. msb on July 2nd, 2006 6:03 pm

    btw, how ridiculous is it that Joe Mauer is the reserve cathcer for the AL…

  28. DarkKnight1680 on July 2nd, 2006 6:05 pm

    Any possibility that this no-soriano stretch will result in him taking over for pineiro in the rotation?

  29. IdahoInvader on July 2nd, 2006 6:12 pm


    I imagine Soriano would probably do as well starting, as Joel would do relieving in the 8th.

  30. msb on July 2nd, 2006 6:13 pm

    #478– not if he’s hurt.

    btw, it is Green who had back spasms, so he’s prob. not available tomorrow

  31. markbruso on July 2nd, 2006 6:17 pm

    276 Why did JJ get a BS? According the box score he gave up no hits, no walks, or ER, R. So what did he do wrong to earn a BS?

  32. msb on July 2nd, 2006 6:24 pm

    “A blown save is charged to a pitcher who enters a game in a situation which permits him to earn a save (a ‘save situation’), but who instead allows the tying run (and perhaps the go-ahead run) to score”– JJ allowed a sac fly that scored one of Washburn’s runners.

  33. eponymous coward on July 2nd, 2006 6:39 pm

    Uh, we get a guy who hits lefties well- and Hargrove won’t actually use him in situations that scream for it?

    Why is Bavasi wasting his time (and prospects) giving Hargrove strategic options that he won’t use?

  34. Lauren, token chick on July 2nd, 2006 6:41 pm

    Bodhizefa: I remember checking out the current ratings of managers among SportsNation readers earlier in June. At that point Hargrove was THE lowest-ranked mgr with something like 3% approval. Now? 66%. Crazy. But still, interesting to check out the rankings.

  35. Lauren, token chick on July 2nd, 2006 6:57 pm

    Also to the good, Houston’s currently leading Texas 9-5.

  36. Tap House Dan on July 2nd, 2006 7:09 pm

    So what does Reed’s injury force us to do? What do you guys think they’ll do and what do you WANT them to do? If they play Bloomquist in CF every day you take away any infield bench flexibility. Morse can play SS but 2B??? It seems like there are really only 3 options:

    1) Call up Snelling. He’s played some CF this year but how much? Is he still DHing half the time or is the knee ready to play in the field every day? If he was 100% healthy we wouldn’t even need to consider other options. Hell, if he was 100% Reed never would have gotten hurt….on the bench.

    2) Call up Jones Is he ready? surely he can’t hit any worse than Reed, might help against lefties, and at least has some pop.

    3) Move Ichiro! to CF and call up Snelling or Choo. Morse can’t play RF so that’s not an option.

    I guess this whole thing is an easy call if Snelling is healthy right? Option 3 takes us back to the old question of whether Ichiro! would ever accept the move. If he does, I like the idea of taking a look at Choo. Seems like he’s at that point in his career where he needs to prove himself quickly to remain a prospect.

    Has Choo ever played and CF?

  37. Mike Snow on July 2nd, 2006 7:25 pm

    Morse doesn’t need to play RF. You would play Ibanez there if Ichiro moves over.

  38. jeffs98119 on July 2nd, 2006 7:37 pm

    Perfect time for Ichi to move to CF–he’s got to get ready for the All Star Game (between Manny and Vlad). 🙂 Anyway, at this point Morse is no better than Bloomquist, as hitter or fielder. Gotta bring up Jones or Snelling and give them a shot. Ibanez can play left or right. Ichi can play right or center, and with the team in contention he has to be willing to do what best for the team. Flexibility shouldn’t be a problem.

  39. jeffs98119 on July 2nd, 2006 7:47 pm

    Some thoughts:

    Much as we’d all like it, Bavasi can’t fire Hargrove now. The team is hot, and in baseball you can’t even change your socks if you’re winning, much less your manager. Next year, assuming they don’t content all the way, clean house and bring back Little Joey to manage.

    If they can’t trade Guardado, it’s time to relegate him to mop-up duty. If he strings together a few good outings, maybe another team will take a chance on him. If not, cut him loose.

    Everett: Cut him loose! A Petagine/Perez platoon will outhit Crazy Carl eight days a week.

    Joel: Stick with him till the All Star break at least. If he doesn’t turn it around, bring up Baek or Cruceta from Tacoma and cut him loose.

  40. mark s. on July 2nd, 2006 7:58 pm


    I was at this game. And I agree with both of these posts.

    Also, when Reed stood up from what looked like landing on his hand, he looked like he was hurt. Thank god he didn’t try to play threw the pain. But I feel at lost to think what the team will be like with him out for a month.

  41. Bozo on July 2nd, 2006 8:29 pm

    The whole “Soriano’s not available, and I (Grover) would rather not say why” makes me wonder if a trade is in the works.

    If that’s the case, I really, really hope that it either falls through or is much better than I cynically expect it to be.

  42. argh on July 2nd, 2006 8:50 pm

    I heard that ‘unavailble but I’d rather not say why’ on the radio at the golf course this afternoon and maybe it’s the lawyer in me but all I could think of was: “Omigod he’s being indicted for something.” Not commenting on an injury just seems implausible. A trade might be though.

  43. Phoenician Todd on July 2nd, 2006 8:56 pm

    Man, I was at the game today, and that was some unfulfilling bonus baseball.

    Why didn’t Perez hit?
    Why was WFB hitting in the 9th?
    Why did Washburn pitch to more than 1 batter in the 8th?
    Will this be the start of Ichiro in center?

  44. Choo on July 2nd, 2006 9:10 pm

    Corey Brock of is reporting that Soriano just has a sore arm.

  45. argh on July 2nd, 2006 9:19 pm

    Maybe Grover’s just a drama queen type.

  46. Adam S on July 2nd, 2006 11:27 pm

    Was at the game today and the word on Soriano was shoulder soreness/tightness and they’re holding him out for a couple of days.

    Hargrove has had some clunkers but this may have been his worst managed game of the year. Leaving Bloomquist in the lineup and the 5 spot when he could have had Johjima there might have single handedly cost them the game. And not pinch hitting with Perez against a lefty for Bloomquist or Everett is idiotic. Why have Perez, in case Reed gets hurt?

  47. John D. on July 3rd, 2006 11:03 am

    A few years ago, ART THIEL speculated that OZZIE VERGIL–because of his agressiveness in sending the runner–would be the first 3B coach to need rotator-cuff surgery.
    I wonder who’ll be the second.

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