Game 86, Angels at Mariners
DMZ · July 5, 2006 at 6:05 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
RHP Colon v LHP Moyer.
Garret Anderson in left field! Woo-hoo! Hopefully we’ll get to hear that he’s also a centerfielder, and that’s why he’s so good in the outfield.
Standard no-Reed anti-RHP lineup, with Johjima still behind Everett because Everett prevents another R-R pairing in the lineup.
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Shin-Soo Choo, lead glove, example #1.
Look closer: Choo’s jersey actually says “Chico’s Bail Bonds” ….
Dave’s Allegory of the Clutch.
#148: Sherrill owns lefties … when he doesn’t walk them. That’s been a bit of a problem.
Ugh.
It would fire me up if Carl was permanently ejected from the Mariners’ roster.
An example of why Choo isn’t a good Center Fielder.
It must be great being a starter against the M’s at the Safe. A bunch of impatient losers who hack away (6th and 7th innings took 13 pitches) and can rarely even get it to the warning track.
Also, you can count on exactly NO adjustments being made fwiw.
Willie would have caught the ball with his mouth and spit it to home plate.
#138– isn’t this what happened last year too? they swept them before the break, and then the next time they saw them, they got swept?
lots o’fun, esp. when there are the various July trade rumors discussing the big bat that the Angels are sure to go out and get, since Stoneman didn’t during the off-season.
ok, what incredibly lame Rally Time video do they show tonight?
its time to see if Carl fired up the offense…can’t wait!!
Dave, what do you make of the Weaver trade?
145, I think the key is that no one is saying for sure that this is a .500 baseball team. Certainly no one is saying that June is an accurate representation of what this team is likely to do for the rest of the season. People are just saying that teams are streaky, and right now we’re about .500 and there’s no reason to discount the wins that got us here. We’ll have another hot streak, and another cold streak, and play some more .500 ball for a while. If we were a true .400 team, though, we probably wouldn’t have rattled off that big hot streak, or the next one. I don’t think Dave will be shocked or anything if this team ends up winning only like 75 games and missing the playoffs. It’s just not realistic to assume that a .500 season is impossile because we kicked ass in June and had a slow start before that.
Willie would have caught the ball with his mouth and spit it to home plate.
Along with a yard or two of turf he’d peeled off diving for the ball.
The Cardinals got him for free.
159. It looked like Choo was trying to catch it with his mouth. Willie will have to give him a few pointers, like, point your teeth toward the ball and open wide.
oh, speaking of “updating the dammed records”, doesn’t today’s “Question of the day” need to be updated to include “asinine snap at correct umpire’s call”?
I’m disappointed more people didn’t vote for “Locker getting smaller every day.”
Moyer pitches, the Ms get shut-out. The guy’s a jinx.
Additionally, June isn’t a sample size vs. the whole… it is PART of the whole. It’s not like anyone is saying that as a whole the team is as good as it was in June… just that June is part of how good they are. Or not so good, whichever.
On another note…. a lot has been written about how we feasted on the NL and not enough written on the other factor in our winning stretch:
When we play NL teams either both teams bat pitchers or the NL team has to grab a bench player and make him DH, while we run out a pitcher-level DH in Everett. So, equal.
When we play the AL, they get a DH, while we still have to run out a pitcher to bat. Or might as well until this club gets its head out of its ass and gets rid of Carl.
That’s a huge advantage. The one position that has no excuse not being a huge offensive force is instead a debit. Bleh.
So what does this say about the Cabrera-Perez deal? Seems like Seattle REALLY overpaid now.
why does Rizzs always have to slip the local tie into the conversation? ok, Bud Black is from Longview, great..
Colon’s first career shutout? Really? That’s just sad (for the M’s).
Now there’s two Oaklands in the division.
So what does this say about the Cabrera-Perez deal? Seems like Seattle REALLY overpaid now.
Perez is better than Weaver.
Grr. Glad I stayed up for that one…
The one position that has no excuse not being a huge offensive force is instead a debit.
Good point.
Do the Cards have to pay Weaver’s full salary? Not such a good deal if they do.
Is there anyone out there that didnt know we would tank once we played the AL again? This team is a pathetic bunch who should move to the NL. Man its gonna be fun getting swept by the tigers. We will be a Seller for sure
179. Sounds like not such a good deal if they don’t. Although, bad AL pitchers can sometimes shine in the NL.
An average of 3 pitches/plate appearance tonight for M’s batters. Not good.
“A new version of Bartolo Colon since coming off of the DL”
Uh, you mean the pitcher that gets to face the M’s at the Safe in July version of basically ANYONE.
We scored in three innings this WHOLE SERIES.
Bring on the Tigers!!!! Goodness knows their pitching isn’t as good as a worn down Colon…sigh
If the cards gave that prospect (who sounds pretty good) up for Weaver, they probably would have done the same for Pineiro.
10th shutout of the year against the Ms but we’re not on a record pace. Even in pathetic offensive output we’re just kind of mediocre.
When the rest of the whole isn’t a significantly larger sample size?
But twice as large as the smaller one? C’mon Dave. Having one good month shouldn’t signiffy that the entire season is the average between the good month and the bad month. Jason Giambi had a monster July last season, a moderate August, and stunk the rest of the year. But his end year numbers showed a good season for him. Does that mean his entire season was good? Of course not. “Ryan Franklin”ism this might be, but I can’t believe it’s not appropriate when measuring trends.
You have it in your head that this team isn’t any good. When the team plays well, therefore, it’s an abberation, and when the team struggles, it’s confirmation. I’m sure you know what confirmation bias is, so I won’t bother explaining how this is a classic case of it.
Sometimes we do these things without realizing it. However, when you look at this team and the underperformances of the ones we were hoping would be good, and those that have performed good but we know aren’t that good, can you blame me? Meche is not as good as his June indicates. Everett has been worse then thought. Sexson has gone way down hill, even though it was predicted he’d regress a tad this year, it wasn’t this substantial. Beltre has finally come around, but still needs to perform better in order for this team to be great. And our beloved King Felix has underperformed, which makes me more sad then I care to mention.
Ichiro, Lopez, Ibanez, Jojima, and Betancourt have all played as well or better then I expected. Putz is a monster, and Sherril and Soriano are fun to watch too. This team is basically polarized. For every good player who is fun to watch you’ve got one bad player just tearing your heart out. Part of me wishes that I knew what you knew about what goes on with the Mariners on the inside. I’d like to be able to know that they’re working hard to get this team better. But when I look and still see Carl Everett out there, no Doyle, and the only reason they brought up Choo was to fill in for an injured Jeremy Reed, I just get more frustrated.
Believe me, I was enjoying the hot streak. Now I’m not enjoying this funk they’re in allasudden.
so, 10 shut-outs for the M’s and did they say 6 of those shut-outs were against Moyer?
“the only difference is they hit a lot of homeruns and we hit a lot of groundballs”
um, yeah, that’s right, Mike.
Actually it’s “only” five times we’ve been shut out with Moyer starting. The others are two each for Washburn and Meche, one for Hernandez.
Oh, and about Colon, it was his first shutout as a member of the Angels, not the first of his career. Although I think Fairly did talk about it as if it was the latter.
I am happy that Calabro will be doing games this weekend. Atleast he can see and has a great voice.
Jeff Weaver couldn’t help the Ms because he’s no upgrade on the guys who are failing now. In addition, the Halos are wanting either talent back, or to swap all of his deal. *fooff* Weaver will be available for the minimum in a few days, and isn’t worth that. Let the Mets pick him up and sprinkle holy water on his grits, or something. Weaver’s a clubhouse cancer, too.
. . . His kid brother pitched like a stud when I saw him on Monday, though; great slider or whatever for strikes that the Ms couldn’t figure out, and a slower change-up, too. Topped out at 91, so the league may figure him out a bit, but a balanced package until adjustment time arrives. You can see why the Angels are ditching Jf for Jd.
After my total negativity tirade in this thread, I BRINGETH SOME GOOD NEWS-ETH:
Brandon Morrow
1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO, 2 Groundball outs.
It has begun!
BARTOLO COLON ? – Is that the guy the Ms looked at before the 2005 season, and decided not to pursue him because he was over-weight ?
A SWEEP BY THE TIGERS (See # 179) – Really ? I have it on good authority (the Rizzer, Ron, the Daves, etc.) that it will be the Ms that do the sweeping. Don’t you remember a few years ago, when a red-hot Detroit team came to town, and the lowly Mariners swept them ?
BTW, anyone, what’s the over-under on our broadvcasters’ retelling that story throughout Friday’s game ? Throughout subsquent games if applicable ?
Facing Jeremy Bonderman first, the pride of the Tri Cities (Pasco, specifically). The kid is an absolute stud. It’ll be fun watching him pitch.
I agree the Tigers are a hot and Jim Leyland is not going to tolerate his team getting swept heading into the break. I say either the Tigers will sweep the M’s or the Tigers win the series and the M’s grind out one victory. I was optimistic about the season until last night’s game…no longer can I calm down, throw in the towel and let’s get some mid-level prospects back or light-hitting scrubs (ie: Jeremy Reed, Yorvit Torrelaba, etc from other trades)..The Mariner Way! 🙂
I never understand praising players (or managers) acting like assholes. It’s not inspiring, it’s not leadership: it’s petulant, a loss of focus, and a distraction. Don’t “show fire”, channel it into something useful. Carl Everett isn’t having a tantrum because he “cares” any more than anyone else, he’s having a tantrum because he’s frustrated and needs to lash out.
But twice as large as the smaller one? C’mon Dave. Having one good month shouldn’t signiffy that the entire season is the average between the good month and the bad month. Jason Giambi had a monster July last season, a moderate August, and stunk the rest of the year. But his end year numbers showed a good season for him. Does that mean his entire season was good? Of course not. “Ryan Franklinâ€Âism this might be, but I can’t believe it’s not appropriate when measuring trends.
Taking an already not large sample size, and reducing it by 1/3 to eliminate the part that does not agree with your preconceived belief, is just bad analysis, no matter how you slice it.
You can’t ignore the fact that it happened, and it is part of the required data to objectively evaluate this club. If you want to believe that the M’s are a lousy 70 win team, that’s your perrogative. But the data isn’t on your side, and you’re going to have to hold that opinion in the face of disputing evidence.
But when I look and still see Carl Everett out there, no Doyle, and the only reason they brought up Choo was to fill in for an injured Jeremy Reed, I just get more frustrated.
Frustration is normal. But when you let your emotions dictate your beliefs, you’re running a big risk of being wrong.
But when you let your emotions dictate your beliefs, you’re running a big risk of being wrong.
There are so many places on the internet where that speech needs to be made.
Taking an already not large sample size, and reducing it by 1/3 to eliminate the part that does not agree with your preconceived belief, is just bad analysis, no matter how you slice it.
You can’t ignore the fact that it happened, and it is part of the required data to objectively evaluate this club. If you want to believe that the M’s are a lousy 70 win team, that’s your perrogative. But the data isn’t on your side, and you’re going to have to hold that opinion in the face of disputing evidence.
I never eliminated the part. I just didn’t hold it in as high regard as the rest of the whole. Like I said, we hadn’t become a good team, nor did our run differential reach the positive numbers, until we got “hot”. Measuring the trend isn’t the same as disregarding data.
To put it another way, if I were to chart this, you’d have a downward trend for a good portion of the year, bottoming out somewhere around mid-late May, then a huge upward surge in June, and now a slow progression back downward.