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Game 87, Tigers at Mariners
Bonderman, who is awesome, vs Pineiro, who is not.
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Joel for Chacon rumor is circulating. I was disapointed to see Joel on the mound tonight.
the Tigers didn’t seem to be disappointed to see him.
Gonna be a long game.
Of course though, we’ve already heard about Joel’s stellar numbers against the Tigers…..
Joel for Chacon? I’ve never heard that rumor before. Where’s your evidence?
I feel Granderson is a star in the making, but his strike out tendencies may stop that from happening.
Sunday ought to be a hoot — ‘retro’ dress day for the teams and fans, going all the way back to 1969. Pardon my aged ass for not thinking of that as very retro but I’m sure some of the youngsters have a different view on the matter.
Suffice it to say, though, seeing a bunch of old, bald, fat people in tie dye t-shirts, bell-bottoms and beads ain’t gonna be pretty.
C-Rex with a TRIPLE???
Man, watching Carl beat out a triple is high drama. Brings back memories of Edgar running the bases.
C-Rex triples. Does he look like his next trip is to the DL????
It’s not like the Ms are a continuation of the Pilots – it’s a lame event. Let the Brewers do the throwback Pilot jersey.
Double and an error. You knew a triple was too good to be true.
Bonderman is going to be real good for a real long time.
Yeah, but all that up and down motion in the running was for real.
Yeah, but we all know how Pelekoudas feels about those tridents…
5 – That rumor has been circulating for a day or two. See:
http://tinyurl.com/epu7d
“According to several industry sources there is a possibility the Yankees will send the slumping Chacon to the Mariners for right-hander Joel Pineiro. The sources explained teams know Chacon is available and the Mariners have a scout watching the Yankees at Jacobs Field.”
Of course, it is the New York Post.
I don’t care how Pelehoudas feels about the Tridents, I want to see them again.
I’m just thinking, if we can get five good innings out of Joel, maybe we have a chance. Three down, two to go.
Only one run through 3 innings? And we were going to trade this fellow? Boy were we crazy!
I didn’t say we shouldn’t trade him. I’m just saying as long as he’s on the mound, as long as he gives us five good innings and keeps us in it, let it be.
And if Joel has an outstanding outing to impress would be trade suitors, fine by me. It still counts in the standings.
Valle just said Johjima should be rookie of the year if he continues on this pace. I think a guy named Liriano — the real “king” — from Minnesota might have something to say about that.
I agree, Johjima will get votes, but Liriano has pitched amazingly. He’ll earn the award.
Liriano is not a rookie.
People seem to forget Liriano put up an ERA in the mid 5′s in his rookie year.
If those last three ladies shown on camera to illustrate the ‘ladies’ night’ promotion weren’t rolling a doobie I’ll eat my brownie tonight without any ice-cream.
Who the heck are these announcers on channel 11? “Choo, a great center fielder…”
Ohhh right, this must be the basketball guy.
That is the great Kevin Calabro!
Well, he is great announcing basketball….
He only pitched in six games, 23.2 innings. If its under 50, he’s still thought of as a rookie.
BTW, too, the New York Post did not say that the Yankees had anybody here in Seattle scouting Pineiro.
Liriano had 23 innings last year. I am missing something about the rules? I thought you need at least 50 to disqualify yourself for rookie status the following season.
Who the heck are these announcers on channel 11?
I dunno but they’re part of the conspiracy to keep us from watching Mariner games on HDTV. Channel 11 is the only major network affiliate whose HD feed isn’t carried by Comcast. And neither will respond to inquiries about why not (I know because I’ve tried).
Boycott their sponsors. And let the sponsors know you’re doing it.
Actually Liriano is a rookie. He didn’t pitch long enough last year to be considerd a rookie.
According to ESPN’s stats, Liriano pitched 23 innings last year, which is by far few enough to make him an official rookie this season.
Oops. Should have reloaded first.
And not to knock Choo, but wouldn’t you feel better with Bloomquist in center? I know people at this site don’t really care for him, but he has more MLB experience in center than Choo by far.
Maybe Pineiro is pitching better because his beard is longer and Joel believes it will make better so he is.
So its established then, Loriano is a rookie…haha.
Ichiro!!!
You don’t mess with Ichiro!
Ichiro!
Fan-freakin-tastic!
Who posted the other day that for all the talk about Ichiro’s arm, he rarely throws people out at the plate?
The eleventh commandment…though shall not run on Ichiro. Ever.
35. Choo has more offensive potential than Willie, not that he’s shown it yet. In the event that we are ahead in the 8th, you could put Willie in center as a defensive replacement.
you could put Willie in center as a defensive replacement.
I just threw up in my mouth a litte.
45. He isn’t a great center fielder, but he’s better than Choo.
I’d love to know. I think with that throw Ichiro is tied for the league lead in assists by an outfielder.
“I just threw up in my mouth a little.”
Heh. I had the exact same reaction. That’s like saying “We can use Mateo as a pinch hitter.”
Sure, you COULD do that, I guess.
I’m not even sure Willie is better than Choo. He LOOKS better, but the results are the same.
47 – it was Dave.
Alfanso Soriano has 12 outfield assists. I guess they are challenging his arm. Ichiro is tied for the AL lead with 7.
Well, Basketball Guy is better than Red + Hendu.
Is baseball that much better in HDTV?
52: I think so. Particularly if it’s in the full 1080 feed and not the bastardized 720 which they often use. Eventually it will all be 1080 (or God knows how much more) — seductive technology once you’ve seen it in action.
I wonder why Calabro isn’t switching with Rizzs like they normally do in the bottom of the 5th.
Kevin is a nice change. too bad the seahawks couldnt loan over Steve Raible for a day or two. Chacon for Jo-el would be a nice deal. anything to get rid of that idiot. Also if we had tridents, we could say “Willie Bloomquist killed a guy, i saw that” (anchorman)
18. You got your wish. Two runs in five innings isn’t great, but it is better than a lot of us expected.
I do _not_ believe that Bloomers is a better CFer than Choo. Willie’s all hands, Choo’s all arms and legs. Neither gets a good read or takes a good route, but speed allows Shinny to skinny under balls Bloomie only gets to watch bounce.
And I’d do Pineiro for Chacon in a heartbeat. Chacon has fairly good stuff, but fractious location, and little that counts as a clue to put it all together. . . . Joel doesn’t have that much.
Speaking of that throwback event — I was thinking of going to that game, more to see the King in the sunshine than anything else, but if they’re giving away caps I might as well get one. Only question: how early do you typically have to arrive to get one? Given that it’s a Sunday day game that will be well attended. Not that I mind hanging around the ballpark, but I have plans to see the World Cup too, so….
Anyway, I’ve never tried to get any of the giveaways before (I’ve walked right by the bobblehead people) so I just have no idea.
57. I hate to be prolonging another Willie discussion. I agree he is a useful substitute, not a starter. But he doesn’t have an error in center field this year.
6 innings from Joel would be an amazing stroke of luck.
Joel: 6 IP, 2 R; pull him now, and put out a press release.
“I just threw up in my mouth a little.â€Â
That’s gotten really overused the past couple of years (and on this site in particular, though I admit the team’s performance has warranted it). It was never a particularly good turn of phrase, relying mostly on shock value, but now it’s just kind of lame. My 2¢, anyway.
61. And trade him to NY.
Pull Joel, call the NY Post! Seriously, foisting him on the Yankees would be a coup; getting anything for him in return would be larceny.
It was just announced on Rotoworld (sans source) that Felix will not get the start on Sunday and that Gil Meche will replace him. There was no mention of why except speculation that it was done to keep his innings down. Anybody have any idea what’s going on?
62: i agree
66. I would guess it is to keep his innings down. They want him to pitch less than 200 counting spring training.
I meant to type 65.
Those six runs a game the Ms were scoring got lost on the transfer from the Interleague shuttle. We’re back to the Scrappy Outmachine we know so well.
I bet Bonderman doesn’t give up another hit tonight. Especially with the ump giving him everything. That second pitch to Ichiro, called strike, was 6 inches inside.
Maybe the strikezone explains Joel’s relative effectiveness also, then.
Pull Joel you idiot!
I like the sail, sai, sail away call for a homerun. I am surprised we hadn’t heard it prior to the seventh.
Typical Cruceta tonight:
5 7 5 5 5 9
Two home runs.
Hit number three for the Mariners.
I still boo Everett everytime he comes to bat. If he does something good, I try to remember the event and forget who did it.
At least we’re starting to work the count. Bonderman’s about to pass Pineiro in pitch count.
Not Raul’s greatest AB.
Put the kid in. Bonderman is going all the way.
I just noticed Mags’ new ‘do. Stylin’!
It’s not like the Ms are a continuation of the Pilots – it’s a lame event. Let the Brewers do the throwback Pilot jersey.
They did, 3 or 4 years ago. They played on the road as the Seattle Pilots against the Twins.
Didn’t they play as the pilots against the brewers back when they were still in the AL and Cirillo was hitting .350? I think it was a game that A-rod and Lou got tossed and they finished the game under protest.
Mateo in the pen indicates Hargrove is waving the white flag. Why not give Lowe a shot?
Hard to see why Pineiro was sent out for the 8th if they weren’t showcasing him. He hadn’t thrown that badly, but he hadn’t thrown that well, and the bullpen will get a rest shortly with the Break. Oh well.
Now Mateo will let in the other two runs, raising Joel’s ERA and reducing his trade value.
I wonder if Hargrove can only keep 21 or 22 players in his head at a time?
#85 – You’ve seen this game before, haven’t you? LOL!
Well, 6-0 now. Let’s see Lowe in the 9th.
Just got invited to tomorrow night’s game — great seats, row 6 behind 1st base. I’m excited about the possibility of seeing the second Mariner shutout in a row.
87. Yes, it seems like the M’s are in re-runs.
So, were the Ms playing over their heads during the interleague or are the NL teams that bad?
Gas Can!!!
#89 – that would be third shutout in a row…
Guardado made his Cincinnati debut with a perfect ninth and the Reds rode the big second inning to end their six-game losing streak with a 10-5 victory over the Atlanta Braves on Friday night.
We traded the wrong guy!
What’s less surprising:
That Jose Lima was given YET another chance to fail by the Mets?
Or that Dontrelle Willis hit a grand slam off him?
Or that Lima was DFA’d the millisecond the game was over?
Christina Kahrl will get a season’s worth of snark out of that in her next Transactions column.
And Guardado goes on to join the “successful players who looked washed up while they were with the Mariners” club.
Jeff Cirillo is batting .339 with a .408 OBP this year…
Man…hell of a catch by Granderson
HE’S NOT DEREK LOWE!!
I like this kid.
I wonder if we have a varitek we can trade with lowe for a bad pitcher
91. The AL is clearly better. We need to get ourselves into the NL West full time.
For God’s sake….Choo is no Granderson
96 MPH on that pitch
SWEET!
I don’t like this kid.
95. All it takes is moving to the National League.
Bavasi, chuckling: This kid is getting the chance to deal with adversity and build character.
I like it…high and tight!
That was a character-building bit of chin music.
97 on that pitch
That was ball 4
ball 5
2 3 dp
Well, how ’bout that!
Well, one thing’s for sure … he’ll never forget his first major-league outing.
We need Bob Uecker from Major League.
Smoke!
This isnt too bad. better than livingston
Lyland clutching his left arm like he’s having a heart attack.
Adversity, smadversity!
Lowe’s gonna have one hell of an adrenaline crash.
He Lowe-red the boom on them!
I meant Leyland.
why i wqsted some time on this game…. yeah who
I belong! I belong!
It was shades of Bob Wolcott.
John Lackey 1 hit the A’s.
Valle is getting in on Rizzses retirement home action
So long shut out.
Young lady, I don’t need to see that kind of butt wiggle action sitting home by myself on Friday night.
Give Bonderman something by which to remember us!
We won! (the 9th inning). The top of the ninth was worth watching the whole game.
Sexson has been taking lessons from Everett
Whole team appears to have been taking lessons from Everett.
Valle closed with “He’s certainley not going to remember his debut tonight, thats for certain”
well its official….the Ms really do suck.
#95: trust me, eddie did NOT look dominant…but he did look kinda overweight and wierd in a Reds uniform
I don’t blame the Tigers for not wanting to ship off Zumaya in a deal for Bobby Abreu.
Carlos Guillen: How many realize that since the day they traded him away, the Ms FO types have yet to _acquire_ a player in any trade who is remotely as good?
Sidney Ponson DFA’d by the Cardinals today to make room on the roster for Jeff Weaver. Ponson’s ERA of 5.24 is not only better than Pineiro’s (yes, I realize that Ponson’s been pitching in the NL), but would be about a whole run lower if you take out the 6 runs he gave up in 1 inning of relief in STL’s 20-6 loss to the White Sox.
In two of his last three starts, Ponson had great outings (7.1 IP, 2 ER vs. Detroit, 6 IP, 1 ER vs. Houston) but lost both games. His record is 4-4. If he won those two games he’d be 6-2. I seriously don’t think he’d be getting DFA’d if he were 6-2…
I’m not saying Ponson is the long-term answer, but he’d be better than Pineiro right now and he’s probably going to be available for a grade C prospect. Sure, he’s not striking out many batters, but neither is Pineiro (whose ERA is creeping up to 6.00, now at 5.94…).
Zumaya’s neat. I had wondered if the Oakland radar guns were just clocking him high when I was there earlier this week and they had him throwing 100, 101, 103 — but he registered two 100′s at Safeco as well.
Girl’s Night Out was really stupid, though — something tells me none of you had to experience that over the TV? Including every few innings where we’d get shown the latest segment in the saga of Mariners Makeover? It made me ashamed for my gender.
who was being made-over? and shouldn’t we be more ticked at the geniuses who think thta is what gals want to see at the ballpark?
SIDNEY PONSON DFA’d (See # 139) – The effect on his W-L record of Ponson’s lack of run support reminds me of JACK PATERA and the Seahawks. The Seahawks let him go when he was 1-2. Had an official not blown a call, he would have been 2-1. It is doubtful they would have let him go at 2-1.
For Ponson’s sake, I hope the Mariners don’t sign him. The last thing he needs is the only thing we can offer him, lack of run support On the other hand, he could prosper with a team that scores runs.
I dunno, some random housewife with seven kids won a makeover contest, so they took her shopping at the team store, and then did her hair and nails and whatnot. (There was also some sort of makeup and manicure thing going on somewhere in the stadium, I’m not sure where since I got there kinda late and didn’t even know it was Girls Night Out until they handed me a visor at the gate.)
Some geniuses also seem to think that pink baseball caps are appropriate for females above the age of 5, though, so who knows. I’ve really got to get on the ball and make that “Shopping is hard. Let’s go estimating the effect a batter’s offensive performance has on his team’s number of runs scored.” women’s t-shirt that I joked about a few months ago, aka the “VORP YOU” shirt.
Ponson’s a bum. Over, done, finished. He’s lucky he’s 4-4.
138.
BTW, who did we get for Carlos? Santiago? Good lord another bad deal, but so far back in a string of bad deals that you tend to forget.
I will kiss whomever youtube’s the entire half inning of Mark Lowe’s debut.
I missed it… =(
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#147, 1st paragraph: DO IT!!!
Oh great. I picked up tickets for Sunday’s game so I could watch Felix pitch again, and instead I’m getting another helping of Gil Meche?
He ought to so well against the red-hot Tigers, don’t you think?
*sigh*
At this point I’d rather watch Meche than Hernandez.
Deanna said “the latest segment in the saga of Mariners Makeover? It made me ashamed for my gender.”
Well, at least once a year you should get a taste of the way us guys feel on pretty much a daily basis…
As far as Guillen goes, keep in mind he was, and is, pretty fragile. I wanted to keep him at the time, but had to conceed that he would be part of a platoon because he always missed 30 or so games a year (and he’s done that or worse with the Tigers). So you’d be looking at “Willie Bloomquist, your starting shortstop” at least one or two games a week (or for several solid weeks). And I really have no complaints about Betancourt — he’s supplying more than adequate production for his position. I’m actually not surprised at Guillen’s improvement offensively, given the kind of overall health and energy increase you see in people cured of a latent TB infection, but I don’t think the team was looking that far ahead.
And then there were whatever “character” issues the team had with him (DUI, etc) — there clearly was a team desire to end “Carlos’ and Freddie’s Excellent Adventure” even if they got shortchanged in the process. Mind you, I’d rather have to deal with Guillen’s character issues than Everett’s, but apparently the team’s tolerance for less than family-friendly players came too late for the Venezuelan Party Twins.
Was at the game last night. Choo should not be in center field. His routes were embarassing, and he missed a couple of what appeared to be routine catches. But I suppose that’s old news to those of you who have been paying attention.
Lowe, on the other hand, was a friggin’ BLAST to watch. Yeah, he got hit, but watching 97-99mph heat coming at you (we had incredible seats behind the plate) was really fun. Augurs well for next year, provided he misses a few more bats. What an unexpected treat, particularly since the last two games I’ve been to have unintentionally been Pineiro starts. To his credit, he had a pretty decent outing.
Oh yeah, and Ichiro!’s cannon to home plate – wow. And his later throw off the back foot from the corner of the outfield to second to cheat someone-or-other out of what looked like a sure double – man. That was fun.
Traveling in southern Missouri right now, watching Cardinals at Houston on the St. Louis Fox affiliate (not sure if it’s a local or national broadcast). Lou Piniella is in the broadcast booth as the color man. (If you can pick up the game on Extra Innings or mlb.tv — do it, a good 4-4 game right now in the 5th).
We’ll take you back in Seattle, Lou!! You can have any job you want in the broadcast booth or dugout. . . . though, he just said Puljos reminds him of Edgar. Hmmmm. I LOVE Edgar, but not sure about that. At least acknowledged Albert is a “little bigger and stronger.” Anybody know how often Lou is broadcasting these days?
Oh my god… Carl Everett is playing Right Field while Ichiro is DHing tonight.
With Bloomquist starting in CF. Going to be a long night.