Game 152, Mariners at Rangers

Dave · September 20, 2006 at 4:30 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Baek vs Tejeda, 5:05.

As ESPN’s preview will tell you, Baek has a 15 inning scoreless streak against Texas. Why we’re supposed to care, I’m not sure. Expect another beatdown of his junk in the bandbox known as Ameriquest Field.

And, just to piss us off, Willie Bloomquist is starting in right field tonight, and Doyle gets the night off. Against a right-handed pitcher.

Yes, Willie got 5 hits last night. Big whoop de freaking do. That brought his average all the way up to .255 for the year and he has 9 extra base hits in 235 at-bats. Chris Snelling has 10 extra base hits in 77 at-bats, and he’s hitting .313/.413/.552 against right-handed pitching.

Oh, and if you want to use the “he’s in a slump” argument, he’s hitting .294/.429/.529 in the last 7 days. So no.

Mike Hargrove, the Steve Kelley of managers. They both deserved to be stocking shelves for a living 10 years ago.


233 Responses to “Game 152, Mariners at Rangers”

  1. Coach Owens on September 20th, 2006 9:08 pm

    Nice game by the Mariners.

  2. _MFAN_ on September 20th, 2006 9:12 pm

    Like him or not, we probabaly watched our 5th starter for 2007 pitch tonight.

    Personally I dont mind it.

  3. gwangung on September 20th, 2006 9:16 pm

    Like him or not, we probabaly watched our 5th starter for 2007 pitch tonight.

    Personally I dont mind it.

    I dunno…Not-Being-Pineiro is a rather low bar for a fifth starter to reach.

    Gotta do better than what he did against Toronto, and miss a few more bats.

  4. _MFAN_ on September 20th, 2006 9:21 pm

    203- Well Toronto was just one start, everyone has a bad start it happens.

    I am not a BIG Cha Baek fan, but as a 5th starter who will be just has good as Jarrod Washburn and make 37 mil less, I’ll take it.

    I think Jake Woods falls under the category of “not being Pineiro”, I think Baek has been better than that.

  5. Evan on September 20th, 2006 11:26 pm

    Ichiro circa 2004>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ichiro 2006

    You can’t expect him to surpass an all-time record by 14% every season.

    You know what I’m talking about. 225 singles.

  6. frenchonion on September 21st, 2006 8:43 am

    262 hit season: Of the last 50 hits, 47 were singles.

  7. Ralph Malph on September 21st, 2006 9:36 am

    Give credit to Washburn for his comment in the PI this morning:

    “My season sucked.”

    Followed by Hargrove’s assessment: “For the most part he’s pitched well.”

    Tomorrow we’ll see Hargrove’s assessment of Bloomquist: “25% of the time he’s batted 1.000”

    And his assessment of Rivera: “If he caught better and hit twice as much, he’d be an awfully good player”

    And this on Pineiro: “He’s given us some darn good innings this year”

  8. Evan on September 21st, 2006 9:57 am

    While Ichiro just snuck past Sisler’s hit record (2% margin) he killed Wee Willie Keeler’s single-season singles record (198 in 1898).

  9. Paul B on September 21st, 2006 10:27 am

    I think Baek will turn out to be the 4th starter next year. I know Dave doesn’t think so. But he’s pitching as well as Washburn and almost as well as Meche, and on this team, that puts a pitcher right into the middle of the rotation.

    If only Baek could pitch against the Rangers every start.

  10. leetinsleyfanclub on September 21st, 2006 11:03 am

    Baek at least deserves the opportunity to earn a spot in the rotation during Spring Training next year. Hopefully, the best he can do is get the fifth spot – if he’ s a three or four we are in serious serious trouble.

  11. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 11:29 am

    He can’t be a 4 if they get an ace (Matzusaka) or pseudo-ace(Schmidt/Zito) and Meche is brought back.

    1 Matzusaka
    2 Felix
    3 Meche
    4 Washburn
    5 Baek

    Granted the team would be much more likely to pitch Washburn second. They might even put Felix in the fourth spot behind Washburn and Meche. No matter how you slice it Baek is a fifth starter and the only spot in the rotation (barring injury) that may be available for a young player.

    For next year I like the idea of having Schmidt more than bringing Meche back, but signing Schmidt involves more than next year. Meche may have more of a career left than Schmidt.

    There’s also the interesting possibility of Moyer declining the mutual option and re-signing here. I’d like to see them add a Lefty to the rotation, but there’s got to be other options than Woods, Zito and Moyer.

  12. Grizz on September 21st, 2006 11:41 am

    Which of Baek’s numbers is not like the others?

    6.0 K/9
    3.4 BB/9
    1.77 K/BB
    0.95 G/F
    1.65 HR/G
    79.8% LOB%
    3.67 ERA
    5.41 FIP
    4.97 xFIP

    If Baek’s the fifth starter next year, something has gone seriously wrong this offseason.

  13. Bender on September 21st, 2006 12:02 pm

    I’d say if Schmidt or Zito are a starter next year then something has gone serioulsy wrong this offseason.

  14. C. Cheetah on September 21st, 2006 12:14 pm

    213 – I am sure Schmidt & Zito will be starters next year…just hopefully neither one starting for the Mariners.
    As far as getting another starter (praying for Matzusaka for first one), there will be options. For instance, the constant rumors about Buehrle for the White Sox being available. He may be another Washburn, but it would only be for a year.

  15. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 12:29 pm

    Buehrle is having the worst season of his career. If there’s reason to beleive the 27 year old will bounce back, what would the M’s haveto trade to get Beuhrle and pick up his $9.5 million option for ’07?

  16. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 12:30 pm

    Is he worth $9.5 million?

  17. msb on September 21st, 2006 12:40 pm

    not to mention the rumors that Freddy is also on the block for the Sox 🙂

  18. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 12:40 pm

    I don’t see giving anything up to get him for one year and pay $9.5 million. His career is more impressive to me than Zito’s, but the only thing that would make it worthwhile is signing him longterm and then it’s a question of what he’s worth and for how long. Had he been a FA last year he would have been worth looking at. Can we trade Washburn for him and sign him to longer term?

  19. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 12:42 pm

    I think Freddy’s the ex-girlfriend that you still like but could never go back out with.

  20. msb on September 21st, 2006 12:42 pm

    just reminded myself to go looking for this years baseball cartoons by Choi Hoon– few of us read Korean, but his images are great 🙂

    there is a recent one featuring Johjima, some with odd Ichiro panels like this WBC cartoon, and one with Texas tying Ichiro down

  21. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 12:46 pm

    I wish I could read Korean, they look interesting enough.

  22. Adam S on September 21st, 2006 12:50 pm

    Meche isn’t coming back. Even if the M’s wanted him, some team is going to believe his first half is the real Meche and give him 3/$24M and the Mariners won’t pay that. Baek’s stat line looks a lot like Pineiro’s except that the strand rate is exceptionally high rather than exceptionally low. That said as a 5th starter for $400,000, either could be OK though Pineiro isn’t available at that price.

    Buehrle’s K rate has fallen through the floor from 6.3 in 2004 to 5.9 to 4.3. It’s possible he’s been hurt, will recover and his rate will jump back up. But the more likely answer is he’s no longer effective.

    Schmidt is at least reasonable, though likely to be overpriced, as opposed to Zito who is overpriced and not very good.

  23. Grizz on September 21st, 2006 1:31 pm

    Pineiro is striking out 1.5 less batters per game than Baek while walking the same number. His groundball tendencies help a little, but at this point, Pineiro is no longer a major league pitcher. Even as a groundball relief specialist, Sean Green is a better option.

  24. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 1:51 pm

    222 are you saying that Buehrle’s career peaked at ages 22-25? there’s not much possibility that a pitcher with good control can overcome his early reliance on the strikeout when it stops coming?

  25. Karen on September 21st, 2006 2:30 pm

    RE: #207. Maybe Washburn should focus on being a field manager when he retires from pitching/his lucrative M’s contract expires…

  26. jordan on September 21st, 2006 2:59 pm

    ron fairly is not comming back at the end of the season. I dont know about you guys but i am happy.

  27. msb on September 21st, 2006 3:09 pm

    ah, rookie day happened yesterday…. reports from the TNT & Times, but sadly (or perhaps fortunately) no photos as yet…

  28. Otto on September 21st, 2006 3:43 pm

    Ron Fairly will not be back for the 2007 season

  29. G-Man on September 21st, 2006 3:49 pm

    I just heard that Ron Fairly will not be back in the booth next year.

    This sounds a bit like another bench coach firing – there’s a problem, so we’ll change something in hopes of improving the situiation, but we’ll avoid wholesale change.

  30. msb on September 21st, 2006 3:50 pm

    there has been talk for a year that Ron was being eased out….

  31. leetinsleyfanclub on September 21st, 2006 3:58 pm

    Ron Fairly’s take on the situation: “You know, the secret to working is keeping your job”.

  32. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 4:12 pm

    I was just looking over a potential Free Agent list and thought I’d share it.

  33. LF Monster on September 21st, 2006 6:38 pm

    Pettitte is a LHSP who’s only signed through 2006. He’s making $17.5 million this year (backloaded 3 year 30.5 mil. deal) I’ve previously heard that he would retire or play in Houston, but he’s only 34 now. What possibility is there that he might sign here? Of the potential FA LH Starters he’s the only one that’s very appealing.

    J.D. Drew can opt out of his contract after this season and that would be interesting to see him opt out of $11 mil/year through 2009. I doubt he’d do that but wonder how he would do in Safeco…

    Add Matzusaka into it, a better backup catcher, a 3B coach who makes up his mind and doesn’t change the sign to stop at the last second, a Manager who has a better grip on reality and statistical preference and a decrease in ticket price would be my wish list.

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